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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:14:21 +0100
From: Robin Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Chair

William,

I have the perfect answer for you.

I nominate you as chair. 

Yes, let's be serious for a change. Anyone going to second it? Anyone that
would like to critise or applaud this member's qualifications?

Robin
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:52:24 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] GA Chair

Hello Robin,

Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 12:14:21 PM, Robin Miller wrote:

> William,

> I have the perfect answer for you.

> I nominate you as chair. 

> Yes, let's be serious for a change. Anyone going to second it? Anyone that
> would like to critise or applaud this member's qualifications?

Unlike Eric, I don't believe I am qualified and thus decline.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:57:27 -0800
From: Bret Fausett <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Qualifications for GA Chair?

> Technically, the Chair of an assembly which should elect 47% of the BoD is
> a key person.  

Let's be clear about what the General Assembly is and is not. It is not the
At Large. It also was not intended to be the At Large equivalent within the
Domain Name Supporting Organization, nor is it necessarily the right vehicle
for the At Large members to influence DNS policy.

The General Assembly is the gathering of all DNSO constituency members and
unaffiliated persons interested in participating in the work of the Domain
Name Supporting Organization. It does not elect any Board member, though it
could certainly serve as a place to discuss the issues with candidates for
the single DNSO seat that becomes vacant each year.

     -- Bret

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:25:35 -0400
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Qualifications for GA Chair?

thank you, Bret, for that (correct) explanation.

Peter de Blanc
ccTLD AdCom and NC member

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Subject: Re: [ga] Qualifications for GA Chair?

> Technically, the Chair of an assembly which should elect 47% of the BoD is
> a key person.

Let's be clear about what the General Assembly is and is not. It is not the
At Large. It also was not intended to be the At Large equivalent within the
Domain Name Supporting Organization, nor is it necessarily the right vehicle
for the At Large members to influence DNS policy.

The General Assembly is the gathering of all DNSO constituency members and
unaffiliated persons interested in participating in the work of the Domain
Name Supporting Organization. It does not elect any Board member, though it
could certainly serve as a place to discuss the issues with candidates for
the single DNSO seat that becomes vacant each year.

     -- Bret

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:54:13 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[4]: [ga] GA Chair

Hello Marc,

Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 1:44:00 PM, Marc Schneiders wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, at 12:52 [=GMT-0800], William X. Walsh wrote:

>> Hello Robin,
>> 
>> Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 12:14:21 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>> 
>> > William,
>> 
>> > I have the perfect answer for you.
>> 
>> > I nominate you as chair. 
>> 
>> > Yes, let's be serious for a change. Anyone going to second it? Anyone that
>> > would like to critise or applaud this member's qualifications?
>> 
>> Unlike Eric, I don't believe I am qualified and thus decline.

> You could have waited until someone seconded. Or were you not
> expecting that?

Why bother waiting?  I didn't want to be seconded for something I
believe I was not a suitable candidate for.

I'm not so egocentric to believe I should stand for a position I am
clearly not suitable to fill.

And that needed to be pointed out upfront, especially since the
nomination itself was not being made because the person believed me
suitable, but only to attempt to generate negative traffic directed at
me.  I consider nominations by people of candidates whom they do not
have reason to believe are suitable to be irresponsible and
inappropriate.

It needed to be said that I myself was placing myself outside of that
process.  Had Eric said that, rather than his post accepting that
nomination, then the entire subject of his suitability would have
ended right there.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:14:47 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Qualifications for GA Chair?

Eric and all remaining assembly members,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> >   I have the following questions for any and all of the GA Participants:
> >
> >   What are the proper qualifications for the GA Chair nominations?
> > Where are they posted, if they exist?
> >
> > Who, and under what conditions are proper qualifications developed?
> > What is the criterion for a good GA Chair?
> >
>
> 100% commitment to the GA cause.  I mean this thusly;  Everything that comes
> from working groups, the at large or the GA, not to mention the ccTLDs, gets
> modified by the BoD or the NC. I mean watered down, it becomes spice less.
> This is the nature of the ICANN animal.  Those of us in the WG-Review have
> moderated our reports only to see them moderated further until they are
> without substance.  I do not complain this fact because we are a consensus
> body. But I recognize it.  Therefor our chair has to be 100% committed so as
> to not water down the flavor from the GA kitchen.  This will require a tough
> nut.

  This is a pretty good definition of a good Chair, I agree.  But you didn't
answer my other questions....  ????

>
>
> Sincerely,

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:03:23 -0500
From: "Joanna Lane" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] FW: Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet Hearing Notic    es

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:19:20 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Qualifications for GA Chair?

Jefsey and all remaining assembly members,

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> IMHO, Jeff Williams has the good questions. GA is not currently politically
> distributed/polluted. I think we should preserve that.

  Thank you.  I try...  >;)

>
>
> On 17:23 28/02/01, Jeff Williams said:
> >All remaining assembly members,
> >
> >   I have the following questions for any and all of the GA Participants:
> >
> >  What are the proper qualifications for the GA Chair nominations?
> >Where are they posted, if they exist?
>
> I doubt they are as such. May be Roberto could enlight us on this?

  I didn't fine any.  Not even guidelines, on the DNSO web site....

>
>
> >Who, and under what conditions are proper qualifications developed?
> >What is the criterion for a good GA Chair?
>
> Technically, the Chair of an assembly which should elect 47% of the BoD is
> a key person.

  You sure you mean this as stated here Jefsey???

>  IMHO the real question is: do we want a Chair to manage the
> GA list so it may grow itself into a new vision, or do we want a  leader to
> impose on the BoD a new vision of the GA?

  My answer is both.

>
>
> May be the candidates could tell us their own positions?

  A good idea!  >;)

>
> Jefsey
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 00:09:15 +0100
From: Robin Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Chair

"William X. Walsh" wrote:
 
> Unlike Eric, I don't believe I am qualified and thus decline.

You have been demonstrating your qualifications for us extremely well. 

I stand by my nomination. Its your choice if you don't wish to accept. 

Robin
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 00:40:01 +0100
From: Robin Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Chair

"William X. Walsh" wrote:

> And that needed to be pointed out upfront, especially since the
> nomination itself was not being made because the person believed me
> suitable, but only to attempt to generate negative traffic directed at
> me.  I consider nominations by people of candidates whom they do not
> have reason to believe are suitable to be irresponsible and
> inappropriate.

violins please :-)

no, I nominated you because you thoroughly critique every chair and nominee for
chair I've seen. Someone with that much experience should be capable of being
chair themselves I think. You are an expert on the position.

But you are right, you might get negative traffic directed at yourself. It
happens to every nominee for chair. But why should you be afraid of that? (g)

You said you weren't qualified to be chair. Care to clarify why? There is no
need to have qualifications to nominate someone, so your critism of me is
irrelevant. Although I have held office and worked as staff in a couple of
nonprofits orgs already. (unrelated to domain policy issues - the people were
way nicer there lol)

But unfortunately I'm not yet well enough to spend time in office again, still
recovering from my close encounter with an embolism. So don't nominate me, lol. 

Robin
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:50:58 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] GA Chair

Hello Robin,

Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 3:40:01 PM, Robin Miller wrote:

> "William X. Walsh" wrote:

>> And that needed to be pointed out upfront, especially since the
>> nomination itself was not being made because the person believed me
>> suitable, but only to attempt to generate negative traffic directed at
>> me.  I consider nominations by people of candidates whom they do not
>> have reason to believe are suitable to be irresponsible and
>> inappropriate.

> violins please :-)

> no, I nominated you because you thoroughly critique every chair and nominee for
> chair I've seen. Someone with that much experience should be capable of being
> chair themselves I think. You are an expert on the position.

Sorry, Robin, but in the above paragraph you show that you have
absolutely no basis for your comments. Eric is the first nominee for
Chair I have criticized, and trust me, I have not thoroughly critiqued
him here.  Had I done that, I would have posted an item by item
evaluation instead of just a general statement that refers to his
history.

Please try to stick to the facts, and not make false statements about
people to further your agenda.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:05:47 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Qualifications for GA Chair?

Bret and all remaining assembly members,

Bret Fausett wrote:

> > Technically, the Chair of an assembly which should elect 47% of the BoD is
> > a key person.
>
> Let's be clear about what the General Assembly is and is not. It is not the
> At Large. It also was not intended to be the At Large equivalent within the
> Domain Name Supporting Organization, nor is it necessarily the right vehicle
> for the At Large members to influence DNS policy.

  To a degree I agree with you assertion here Bret.  However the DNSO
is an assembly of Domain name owners.  Some are represented
by constituency's, most are not.  Therefore, the general assembly of the
DNSO is the only place left for those Domain Name owners to be
represented as the ICANN @large is seemingly defunct or at least
not able to reflect non-affiliated Domain Name owners/users.

>
>
> The General Assembly is the gathering of all DNSO constituency members and
> unaffiliated persons interested in participating in the work of the Domain
> Name Supporting Organization. It does not elect any Board member, though it
> could certainly serve as a place to discuss the issues with candidates for
> the single DNSO seat that becomes vacant each year.
>
>      -- Bret
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:00:56 +0100
From: Robin Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Chair

"William X. Walsh" wrote:

> 

> Please try to stick to the facts, and not make false statements about
> people to further your agenda.
> 

oh how fast you forget... 

You just critiqued our moderators here in one of your last mails. And what was
his name again... Dominic... oh you remember him I do believe. There are so
many others that have held offices that you have critiqued, you are probably
qualified to hold a lot more than just chair.

Eric seems like a nice young man. Be nice to him. One day he's going to grow up
to be someone really great. Ok he's a bit disorganised in his thinking, but
then I find that to be refreshing breath of fresh air amongst all these old
wisened cynics on these lists. He's got a good background and I think he's
going to go far.

And what is my agenda? Oh yeah. Something about individuals having
representation. Like its so horrible for individuals to be represented in these
parts. Kind of puts the kibosh on the old boys club here I suppose.

Robin
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:31:49 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Qualifications for GA Chair?

Jeff Williams wrote:

> >   What are the proper qualifications for the GA Chair nominations?

> > > Where are they posted, if they exist?
> > >
> > > Who, and under what conditions are proper qualifications developed?
> > > What is the criterion for a good GA Chair?
> > >
> This is a pretty good definition of a good Chair, I agree.  But you didn't
> answer my other questions....  ????
>
> Well put Mr. Williams,

I submit that there are no listed Qualifications.  I began to make a list myself
but then realized that every qualifier I used simply was a discrimination against
an attribute I did not care for personally. I suppose you can have general ones
like age, literacy capability to use the internet, but then you realize a person
wouldn't be in the GA if they did not meet the minimums.

As for developing the proper qualifications let me work on that. On first blush I
would say you would look to a mom to answer that question.

In case I have not made it clear, the GA chair must be an advocate for the GA
above all else.

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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:28:06 +0100
From: Robin Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Chair

As a second nomination, 

I'll nominate Marc Schneiders for Chair. I think he'd make an excellent one.
Even better than William. :-) 

A question: Does the DNSO pay for the GA's Chair to go to the ICANN meetings?
Or does the Chair have to come up with it out of their own funds? 

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:46:23 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] GA Chair

Hello Robin,

Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 4:00:56 PM, Robin Miller wrote:

> "William X. Walsh" wrote:

>> 

>> Please try to stick to the facts, and not make false statements about
>> people to further your agenda.
>> 

> oh how fast you forget... 

> You just critiqued our moderators here in one of your last mails.

Moderator, and he is not the Chair.

> And what was
> his name again... Dominic... oh you remember him I do believe.

As far as I know, the Dominic you refer to is not even a member of the
GA.

Perhaps you are confusing organizations, Robin, in your haste to be
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:03:18 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] GA Chair

Hello Robin,

Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 4:28:06 PM, Robin Miller wrote:

> As a second nomination, 

> I'll nominate Marc Schneiders for Chair. I think he'd make an excellent one.
> Even better than William. :-) 

> A question: Does the DNSO pay for the GA's Chair to go to the ICANN meetings?
> Or does the Chair have to come up with it out of their own funds? 

On their own.

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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 02:07:32 +0100
From: "Jeanette Hofmann" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] [Fwd: Thanks for the thought/Declined]

On 28 Feb 2001, at 8:05, Weisberg wrote:

> 
> I am very proud to be mentioned in such company (below), but not
> qualified.
> Please move my name from group "A" to group "C."

Thank you for the nomination, however, I'd also have to join the 'C' crowd. 

jeanette
 
> 
> >     This appears to be the current status of  GA chair nominations.
> A.
>        >No response yet:
>        >Roberto Gaetano
>        >Barbara Simons
>        >Emerson Tiller
>        >Thomas Roessler
>        >Eric Weisberg
>        >Bret Fausett
>        >Rod Dixon
>        >Jeanette Hoffmann
> 
>   B.
>     >Greg Burton - Accepted
> 
>   C.
>        >Jonathan Weinberg - Declined
>        >Michael Froomkin  - Declined
>        >Harald Alverstrand - Declined
>        >Alexander Svensson - Declined
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:42:33 -0500
From: "Joanna Lane" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] GA Chair

> A question: Does the DNSO pay for the GA's Chair to go to the ICANN
meetings?
> Or does the Chair have to come up with it out of their own funds?

>On their own.

This is an important point. Would the personal financial means available to
a candidate impact the quality  of their service to the organization.
Obviously the answer is yes until we reach the point where online
participation at meetings is on a level playing field with attendees.
therefore would say that independent financial support for the GA Chair
could be one of the recommendations from this WG under that topic. Could the
NC advise us whether the business plan to be presented at Melbourne
addresses this aspect?
Joanna

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:04:55 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[4]: [ga] GA Chair

Hello Joanna,

Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 5:42:33 PM, Joanna Lane wrote:

>> A question: Does the DNSO pay for the GA's Chair to go to the ICANN
> meetings?
>> Or does the Chair have to come up with it out of their own funds?

>>On their own.

> This is an important point. Would the personal financial means available to
> a candidate impact the quality  of their service to the organization.
> Obviously the answer is yes until we reach the point where online
> participation at meetings is on a level playing field with attendees.
> therefore would say that independent financial support for the GA Chair
> could be one of the recommendations from this WG under that topic. Could the
> NC advise us whether the business plan to be presented at Melbourne
> addresses this aspect?
> Joanna

Even if online participation ever reaches any kind of parity with
physical attendance, the GA Chair should be physically present at the
ICANN meetings.

I agree that there should be funding for the GA Chair's attendance,
but I wouldn't count on it coming from the NC or ICANN.

However, I think it would be somewhat trivial to setup a means for
members of the GA to donate money to help sponsor the Chair's
expenses for those trips and other incidental expenses related to the
position.  The GA should take this up itself, rather than seeking
something from the NC on it, if anything just to show that it can act
as an independent body within the DNSO structure.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:29:29 -0700
From: "Michael F. McNulty" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New TLD Agreements

The UDRP has saved legitimate businessess many, many
millions of dollars in legal fees.  ICANN has justified itself
by this mechanism alone.
Michael McNulty

"William X. Walsh" wrote:

> Hello JandL,
>
> Tuesday, February 27, 2001, 1:59:03 PM, JandL wrote:
>
> > Note Appendix V.  Registries must comply with UDRP.  Choice just
> > went completely out the window and WIPO wins.
>
> Yes, but this was expected, wasn't it?
>
> The UDRP is the single most glaring flaw with ICANN at the moment.  It
> should be completely suspended until it is reformed.
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 03:31:23 +0100
From: Alexander Svensson <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] GA Chair nomination/acceptance status

Dear all,

I think this is the current status of the
DNSO General Assembly quest for a new Chair:

 A.
        Nominated, but no response yet:
        >Rod Dixon
        >Roberto Gaetano
        >Barbara Simons
        >Emerson Tiller

As far as I can tell Emerson Tiller, Barbara
Simons and Rod Dixon haven't written anything for a long
time on the DNSO-GA list (and neither Barbara Simons nor
Emerson Tiller are in the voting registry), so I cc this
mail to them.

   B.
        >Greg Burton - Accepted
        >Eric Dierker - Accepted

   C.
        >Harald Alvestrand - Declined
        >Bret Fausett - Declined
        >Michael Froomkin  - Declined
        >Jeanette Hofmann - Declined
        >Thomas Roessler - Declined
        >Alexander Svensson - Declined
        >Jonathan Weinberg - Declined
        >Eric Weisberg - Declined

Best regards,
/// Alexander

PS: Just for the record -- I'm fed up with the latest
chat-style personal exchanges on the list, too.

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