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GA-DIGEST         Saturday, February 24 2001         Volume 01 : Number 250

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:50:59 -0500
From: "Ben Edelman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] RE: Selecting Comments to Read Aloud

Harald suggested:

> suggestion - have no idea how reasonable it is:
> allow each poster of comments to the online system to view the queue of
> comments, and to withdraw his question from the queue if he wants to.

This is a good point.

As I'm sure the web developers on this list can readily imagine, it's a
nontrivial design enhancement -- in that our existing systems use the
exceptionally crude "post-only" method, requiring essentially no
authentication at all, whereas what you suggest would call for the ability
to verify that the user requesting the withdrawal of a comment is the same
person who submitted it.  Certainly very doable, but a little
further-reaching than I think is advisable to add on a couple week's notice.

If anyone wants to either withdraw or modify a comment (as Harald
subsequently suggested) during the course of the Melbourne meetings, the
best procedure will be to send a quick email to that effect to the tech team
([email-masked]).  I'll add a quick note to the remote
participation system to this effect.  Depending on the perceived value of
these additions, we may make them more robust & automated for the future.

Ben

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:19:30 +0100
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fwd: Please Welcome the Incoming IESG and IAB 

This should explain why I feel that I have to decline nomination for
another period in the GA leadership....

>To: IETF-Announce: ;
>From: "Bernard Aboba" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Please Welcome the Incoming IESG and IAB
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:51:00 -0500
>Sender: [email-masked]
>
>The 2000 IETF Nominations Committee has now completed its
>work; the IAB has approved the IESG recommendations, and
>the ISOC has approved the IAB recommendations. Please join
>us in welcoming the incoming members of the IESG and IAB:
>
>IESG
>
>Harald Alvestrand     IETF Chair
>Scott Bradner          Transport
>Randy Bush             Operations & Management
>Patrik Faltstrom       Applications
>Thomas Narten         Internet
>Abha Ahuja             Routing
>Jeff Schiller            Security
>
>IAB
>
>Ran Atkinson
>Rob Austein
>Fred Baker
>Steve Deering
>Sally Floyd
>Geoff Huston
>
>A word of thanks
>
>This year we have had extraordinary participation at all
>points in the nomcom process, and so I would like to thank
>the IETF community for doing your part in helping the nomcom
>select the incoming members of the IESG and IAB.
>
>Firstly, I would like to thank everyone who volunteered to
>participate in this year's nominations committee (more than
>100 of you!).
>
>I'd also like to thank the members of the 2000 nominations
>committee, who volunteered to participate in the weekly 1-hour
>conference calls, which eventually became twice weekly 3.5 hour
>conference calls. This year's nomcom, as with previous nomcoms,
>observed both the letter and spirit of RFC 2727. Many thanks.
>
>The IETF community was extremely generous this year in sending
>us your thoughts on the present and future of the IETF, the
>performance of the incumbents, and suggestions for potential
>candidates for the IESG and IAB. For that we are deeply
>grateful -- your guidance informed the nomcom process every
>step of the way.
>
> >From your responses, it is obvious that this community is
>passionate about the future of the Internet and is devoted to
>seeing it thrive.
>
>Thanks to those who were nominated, but declined to run, for
>considering candidacy on the IAB and IESG. For many of you, who
>are qualified and have the desire to serve, but not the time,
>this was a difficult decision to make. We appreciate your
>realism and honesty.
>
>Special thanks to those who were nominated and consented to
>candidacy. Many of you had to have difficult discussions with
>your management and family members before deciding to run. We
>appreciate your willingness to put career and family aside in
>order to serve the IETF.
>
>We also appreciate the effort you put into completing the
>questionairre, and in some cases a supplemental questionairre
>and interview.
>
>It was a very gratifying to read your profound thoughts about
>the future of the Internet as well as more mundane concerns
>about the day to day management issues we face in the IETF.
>
>Due to the outstanding response to our call to service, we had
>many more qualified candidates than we had slots on the IESG
>and IAB. While this pays hommage to the IETF's strength as an
>organization, it also by its nature must result in disappointment
>for many qualified candidates.
>
>I hope those of you who we could not select will understand that
>the nomcom's decision does not in any way detract from your
>tremendous contributions to the Internet. We hope that your
>disappointment in this year's process will not disuade you from
>volunteering for candidacy next year, and the year after that.
>The IETF needs you.
>
>Finally, I would like to thank the incoming members of the IAB
>and IESG, who have pledged so much of their time and energy to
>the betterment of the IETF in the years ahead. We of the nomcom,
>after having spent considerable effort in the last few months
>assisting in your selection, now have a greater appreciation of
>the personal sacrifices that you have made for the IETF and even
>greater respect for the role that you play.
>
>Our best wishes for your success in the years ahead,
>
>The 2000 Nominations Committee
>
>Phil Roberts <[email-masked]>
>Stuart Cheshire <[email-masked]>
>Perry E. Metzger <[email-masked]>
>Bill Woodcock <[email-masked]>
>Hadriel Kaplan <[email-masked]>
>Alain Durand <[email-masked]>
>Vijay Srinivasan <[email-masked]>
>Hal Sandick <[email-masked]>
>David Robinson <[email-masked]>
>David Allan <[email-masked]>
>
>Non-voting members:
>Bernard Aboba <[email-masked]> (Chair)
>Avri Doria <[email-masked]> (Past Chair)
>Leslie Daigle <[email-masked]> (IAB liason)
>Allison Mankin <[email-masked]> (IESG liason)
>
>The role of non-voting members (from RFC 2727)
>
>The nominations committee comprises at least a non-voting Chair,
>10 voting volunteers, and 3 non-voting liaisons.  The sitting
>IAB and IESG members each appoint a non-voting liaison to the
>nominating committee from their current membership who are not
>sitting in an open position.  The Chair of the prior year's
>nominating committee also serves as a non-voting liaison.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:42:28 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [Fwd: Notice:  Query to DNSO Chair and DNSO Admin to:Re: Majordomo results: subs]

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All remaining assembly members,

  I am forwarding this to the list in an attempt to determine if anyone
else is having trouble or has been denied posting to the WG-Review
DNSO list.  I have made several inquires, without a response indicating
why my subscription has not been processed.  Has anyone else
had this problem?

Regards,

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From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
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Harald, Greg, or to whom this may otherwise concern,

  I recieved the following in respponse to my subscribing to the
wg-review DNSO Mailing list.  Is this list a Closed list?  
May I join?  Please advise.

Thank you.

[email-masked] wrote:

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>
> >>>> subscribe wg-review
> Your request to [email-masked]:
>
>         subscribe wg-review Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
>
> has been forwarded to the owner of the "wg-review" list for approval.
> This could be for any of several reasons:
>
>     You might have asked to subscribe to a "closed" list, where all new
>         additions must be approved by the list owner.
>
>     You might have asked to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than
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> When the list owner approves your request, you will be notified.
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:02:30 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fwd: Please Welcome the Incoming IESG and IAB

Harald and all remaining assembly members,

  It is interesting to see that the ISOC approval was needed.  I thought

that the IAB and the IESG were not directly tied to the ISOC?  Didn't
we have a rather long thread on this ML discussing/debating that?

Harald Alvestrand wrote:

> This should explain why I feel that I have to decline nomination for
> another period in the GA leadership....
>
> >To: IETF-Announce: ;
> >From: "Bernard Aboba" <[email-masked]>
> >Subject: Please Welcome the Incoming IESG and IAB
> >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:51:00 -0500
> >Sender: [email-masked]
> >
> >The 2000 IETF Nominations Committee has now completed its
> >work; the IAB has approved the IESG recommendations, and
> >the ISOC has approved the IAB recommendations. Please join
> >us in welcoming the incoming members of the IESG and IAB:
> >
> >IESG
> >
> >Harald Alvestrand     IETF Chair
> >Scott Bradner          Transport
> >Randy Bush             Operations & Management
> >Patrik Faltstrom       Applications
> >Thomas Narten         Internet
> >Abha Ahuja             Routing
> >Jeff Schiller            Security
> >
> >IAB
> >
> >Ran Atkinson
> >Rob Austein
> >Fred Baker
> >Steve Deering
> >Sally Floyd
> >Geoff Huston
> >
> >A word of thanks
> >
> >This year we have had extraordinary participation at all
> >points in the nomcom process, and so I would like to thank
> >the IETF community for doing your part in helping the nomcom
> >select the incoming members of the IESG and IAB.
> >
> >Firstly, I would like to thank everyone who volunteered to
> >participate in this year's nominations committee (more than
> >100 of you!).
> >
> >I'd also like to thank the members of the 2000 nominations
> >committee, who volunteered to participate in the weekly 1-hour
> >conference calls, which eventually became twice weekly 3.5 hour
> >conference calls. This year's nomcom, as with previous nomcoms,
> >observed both the letter and spirit of RFC 2727. Many thanks.
> >
> >The IETF community was extremely generous this year in sending
> >us your thoughts on the present and future of the IETF, the
> >performance of the incumbents, and suggestions for potential
> >candidates for the IESG and IAB. For that we are deeply
> >grateful -- your guidance informed the nomcom process every
> >step of the way.
> >
> > >From your responses, it is obvious that this community is
> >passionate about the future of the Internet and is devoted to
> >seeing it thrive.
> >
> >Thanks to those who were nominated, but declined to run, for
> >considering candidacy on the IAB and IESG. For many of you, who
> >are qualified and have the desire to serve, but not the time,
> >this was a difficult decision to make. We appreciate your
> >realism and honesty.
> >
> >Special thanks to those who were nominated and consented to
> >candidacy. Many of you had to have difficult discussions with
> >your management and family members before deciding to run. We
> >appreciate your willingness to put career and family aside in
> >order to serve the IETF.
> >
> >We also appreciate the effort you put into completing the
> >questionairre, and in some cases a supplemental questionairre
> >and interview.
> >
> >It was a very gratifying to read your profound thoughts about
> >the future of the Internet as well as more mundane concerns
> >about the day to day management issues we face in the IETF.
> >
> >Due to the outstanding response to our call to service, we had
> >many more qualified candidates than we had slots on the IESG
> >and IAB. While this pays hommage to the IETF's strength as an
> >organization, it also by its nature must result in disappointment
> >for many qualified candidates.
> >
> >I hope those of you who we could not select will understand that
> >the nomcom's decision does not in any way detract from your
> >tremendous contributions to the Internet. We hope that your
> >disappointment in this year's process will not disuade you from
> >volunteering for candidacy next year, and the year after that.
> >The IETF needs you.
> >
> >Finally, I would like to thank the incoming members of the IAB
> >and IESG, who have pledged so much of their time and energy to
> >the betterment of the IETF in the years ahead. We of the nomcom,
> >after having spent considerable effort in the last few months
> >assisting in your selection, now have a greater appreciation of
> >the personal sacrifices that you have made for the IETF and even
> >greater respect for the role that you play.
> >
> >Our best wishes for your success in the years ahead,
> >
> >The 2000 Nominations Committee
> >
> >Phil Roberts <[email-masked]>
> >Stuart Cheshire <[email-masked]>
> >Perry E. Metzger <[email-masked]>
> >Bill Woodcock <[email-masked]>
> >Hadriel Kaplan <[email-masked]>
> >Alain Durand <[email-masked]>
> >Vijay Srinivasan <[email-masked]>
> >Hal Sandick <[email-masked]>
> >David Robinson <[email-masked]>
> >David Allan <[email-masked]>
> >
> >Non-voting members:
> >Bernard Aboba <[email-masked]> (Chair)
> >Avri Doria <[email-masked]> (Past Chair)
> >Leslie Daigle <[email-masked]> (IAB liason)
> >Allison Mankin <[email-masked]> (IESG liason)
> >
> >The role of non-voting members (from RFC 2727)
> >
> >The nominations committee comprises at least a non-voting Chair,
> >10 voting volunteers, and 3 non-voting liaisons.  The sitting
> >IAB and IESG members each appoint a non-voting liaison to the
> >nominating committee from their current membership who are not
> >sitting in an open position.  The Chair of the prior year's
> >nominating committee also serves as a non-voting liaison.
>
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> +47 41 44 29 94
> Personal email: [email-masked]
>
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:46:51 +0100
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fwd: Please Welcome the Incoming IESG and IAB

At 17:02 23/02/2001 -0800, Jeff Williams wrote:
>Harald and all remaining assembly members,
>
>   It is interesting to see that the ISOC approval was needed.  I thought
>
>that the IAB and the IESG were not directly tied to the ISOC?  Didn't
>we have a rather long thread on this ML discussing/debating that?

I recommend reading RFC 1718, "The Tao of IETF", excerpts at 
http://www.ietf.org/tao.html, to get the details right.

The nomcom nominats the IAB and IESG. The ISOC BoT approves the IAB; the 
outgoing IAB approves the IESG.

Neither approval body has (so far) ever rejected a nomination.

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