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GA-DIGEST          Monday, February 12 2001          Volume 01 : Number 234

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:21:01 -0100
From: Wawa Ngenge <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

YES

Sotiropoulos wrote:

> YES.
>
> SS
> HN, Inc.
>
> > Eric Dierker <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >
> > >There is great work underfoot to use the GA to some larger purpose.
> > >However I believe it may be misplaced. The At Large is a non-entity at the
> > >moment yet it is being extensively reviewed by some grand inquisitor very
> > >much associated with the U.N.  But nothing is being done to investigate
> > >the very clear mandate to elect/appoint a chair for the GA, and the DNSO
> > >refusal. I used the term rudderless ship before, it should have been an
> > >SOS.
> > >
> > >I assume most people, and there are a lot, get the posts from this list as
> > >I do.  So let me just do something real easy.
> > >
> > >IF YOU RECEIVED AND REVIEWED THIS POST PLEASE EMAIL BACK A SINGLE POST
> > >INDICATING;  YES
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 08:07:46 -0700
From: "Michael F. McNulty" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

yes
Michael McNulty
Tucson, Arizona

"Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:

> yes
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sotiropoulos [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 5:38 PM
> To: Roberto Gaetano
> Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?
>
> YES.
>
> SS
> HN, Inc.
>
> > Eric Dierker <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >
> > >There is great work underfoot to use the GA to some larger purpose.
> > >However I believe it may be misplaced. The At Large is a non-entity at
> the
> > >moment yet it is being extensively reviewed by some grand inquisitor very
> > >much associated with the U.N.  But nothing is being done to investigate
> > >the very clear mandate to elect/appoint a chair for the GA, and the DNSO
> > >refusal. I used the term rudderless ship before, it should have been an
> > >SOS.
> > >
> > >I assume most people, and there are a lot, get the posts from this list
> as
> > >I do.  So let me just do something real easy.
> > >
> > >IF YOU RECEIVED AND REVIEWED THIS POST PLEASE EMAIL BACK A SINGLE POST
> > >INDICATING;  YES
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:36:30 -0600
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[3]: [ga] Reform in the GA?

At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
>
>>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
>>
>
>Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
>experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.

Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.

>One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
>leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey

For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
Note the date it was sent:

****

X-Sender: ter/[email-masked]
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:52:32 +1200
To: Chris Streatfield <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: The new Leader Speaks..
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked],
        [email-masked]

Listen to this:
The new dictator  elected by himself  with the support of only 2 people out
of 10 voters of the SC gets ready to lay down the rules.
Listen to the protest against the "illegal" ballot.  I have heard that one
before, when martial  law  was declared by Marcos.

Wait for him to order suppression of the SC election results (which show me
as getting 67% of the vote) on the IDNO webpage and control of the Polling
Booth.
This is quite unbelievable.

<attributions snipped>

Heil Fuehrer Bradley. Instructions. Transfer of power. Jawohl.
It is urgent that the provisions for snap elections are ratified a.s.a.p.
so that this coup can be stopped.

****

I am not in the habit of posting personal email, but this can hardly be
seen as such (bootstrap of an orgnisation e-mailing committee members,
abusing another committee member). Note the the ICANN board now has
personal knowledge of Joop's modus operandi.

There is also evidence already made public (innocently, it seems, by a
third party) of Joop emailing new and potential members, casting aspersions
on other IDNO members (all members of the original Steering Committee that
he crushed).

For an example of Joop's attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of ICANN,
the DNSO and NC, within his "experiment in open democracy", GA members
should check out http://joy.songbird.com/kent/idno/steering/msg00067.html

The sentence to look out for is "It has helped us politically, but this is
the price we paid for the optical illusion of my "standing down".

Joop is by no means "squeaky clean" as far as responsibility of the mess
the IDNO is now in. I suggest GA members keep this in mind when they
evaluate Joop's posts to this list, and anything he says while appearing at
any ICANN-related meeting, claiming to speak for the IDNO (rapidly
declining, unfortunately) membership.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:14:24 -0500
From: Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] GA Voter Registry

Will someone please direct me as to how I go about
having my name added to the GA Voter Registry?

TIA (Thanks in Advance),

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
        Hermes Network, Inc.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:23:03 -0500
From: Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Andy Gardner wrote:

> At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
> >
> >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
> >>
> >
> >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
> >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.
>
> Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
>
> >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
> >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
>
> For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
> very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
> Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
> Note the date it was sent:

What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at all*,
then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?

SS
HN, Inc.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:26:22 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Hello Sotiropoulos,

Sunday, February 11, 2001, 1:23:03 PM, Sotiropoulos wrote:

> What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at all*,
> then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?

Isn't the individual's constituency something that is of great
discussion within the DNSO right now?

That makes it applicable, and that's why you are receiving it.

If a thread does not interest you, no one is forcing you to read it.

Calling others' posts garbage, however, places you in violation of the
GA list rules.  I doubt you intentionally meant to violate them, so I
won't make a complaint, but I can't speak for others.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:20:30 -0600
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

At 4:23 pm -0500 2/11/01, Sotiropoulos wrote:
>Andy Gardner wrote:
>
>> At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>> >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
>> >
>> >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
>> >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.
>>
>> Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
>>
>> >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
>> >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
>>
>> For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
>> very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
>> Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
>> Note the date it was sent:
>
>What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at all*,
>then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?

It's not drivel and it's not garbage.

Karl A could quite possibly confirm that Joop sent that email, as Karl was
one of the recipients.

Considering Joop will be in Melbourne, quite likely claiming to represent
the IDNO, when speaking to the DNSO and the GA, this information IS
relevant.

Joop appears to be upset by verbal terrorism. I merely provided information
on the very first act of verbal terrorism within the IDNO - Joop's act.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:37:01 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Sotiris and all remaining assembly members,

  An excellent question, Sotiris.  Possibly Andy Gardner can answer
you questions and share it with everyone here?   Andy, care to
answer Sotiris's excellent question?

Sotiropoulos wrote:

> Andy Gardner wrote:
>
> > At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
> > >
> > >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
> > >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.
> >
> > Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
> >
> > >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
> > >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
> >
> > For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
> > very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
> > Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
> > Note the date it was sent:
>
> What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at all*,
> then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?
>
> SS
> HN, Inc.
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:29:54 -0500
From: Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Jeff et al.,

I would rather he didn't.  I don't want to offend
anybody, but I think this is hardly the forum for
such postings.  Perhaps, I am wrong?  But, I don't
think I am...  I would very much prefer to leave
what has relevance to the IDNO ML, to the IDNO
ML.  After all, in *point of fact* I have not
ANYWHERE seen, read, or heard anything that would
lead me to believe that should an IDNH
Constituency be added to the DNSO, that the IDNO
is even a remote candidate for the position of
such an appendage.

Thanks,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
        Hermes Network, Inc.

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Sotiris and all remaining assembly members,
>
>   An excellent question, Sotiris.  Possibly Andy Gardner can answer
> you questions and share it with everyone here?   Andy, care to
> answer Sotiris's excellent question?
>
> Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> > Andy Gardner wrote:
> >
> > > At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
> > > >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.
> > >
> > > Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
> > >
> > > >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
> > > >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
> > >
> > > For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
> > > very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
> > > Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
> > > Note the date it was sent:
> >
> > What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at all*,
> > then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?
> >
> > SS
> > HN, Inc.
> >
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:43:45 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Please end this or take it off list.

Andy Gardner wrote:

> At 4:23 pm -0500 2/11/01, Sotiropoulos wrote:
> >Andy Gardner wrote:
> >
> >> At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> >> >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
> >> >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.
> >>
> >> Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
> >>
> >> >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
> >> >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
> >>
> >> For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
> >> very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
> >> Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
> >> Note the date it was sent:
> >
> >What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at all*,
> >then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?
>
> It's not drivel and it's not garbage.
>
> Karl A could quite possibly confirm that Joop sent that email, as Karl was
> one of the recipients.
>
> Considering Joop will be in Melbourne, quite likely claiming to represent
> the IDNO, when speaking to the DNSO and the GA, this information IS
> relevant.
>
> Joop appears to be upset by verbal terrorism. I merely provided information
> on the very first act of verbal terrorism within the IDNO - Joop's act.
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:06:09 -0600
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

At 4:43 pm -0800 2/11/01, Eric Dierker wrote:
>Please end this or take it off list.

A number of us consider this relevant to the GA>

If you don't respect our opinions, and learn how to filter your email.

>Andy Gardner wrote:
>
>> At 4:23 pm -0500 2/11/01, Sotiropoulos wrote:
>> >Andy Gardner wrote:
>> >
>> >> At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>> >> >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
>> >> >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning
>>them.
>> >>
>> >> Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
>> >>
>> >> >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants
>>off and
>> >> >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
>> >>
>> >> For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
>> >> very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
>> >> Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for
>>brevity).
>> >> Note the date it was sent:
>> >
>> >What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at
>>all*,
>> >then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?
>>
>> It's not drivel and it's not garbage.
>>
>> Karl A could quite possibly confirm that Joop sent that email, as Karl was
>> one of the recipients.
>>
>> Considering Joop will be in Melbourne, quite likely claiming to represent
>> the IDNO, when speaking to the DNSO and the GA, this information IS
>> relevant.
>>
>> Joop appears to be upset by verbal terrorism. I merely provided information
>> on the very first act of verbal terrorism within the IDNO - Joop's act.
>>
>> --
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>> barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
>> We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
>> Get active: http://www.domain-owners.org http://www.tldlobby.com
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:11:13 -0600
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

At 7:29 pm -0500 2/11/01, Sotiropoulos wrote:
>Jeff et al.,
>
>I would rather he didn't.

Jeff knows very well that he (along with his imaginary 112,000 friends from
his imaginary organisation that travels the planet installing imaginary
s-bone's for imaginery clients and claims to have offered a multiple GHz
satellite link to ICANN for the Yokohama meeting) is the only person whose
messages I filter immediately to the trash can.

I was hence unaware of his wanting the question answered until you replied
to him.

I've already answered it.

>Jeff Williams wrote:

>> Sotiris and all remaining assembly members,
>>
>>   An excellent question, Sotiris.  Possibly Andy Gardner can answer
>> you questions and share it with everyone here?   Andy, care to
>> answer Sotiris's excellent question?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
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>> Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!)
>> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
>> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
>> E-Mail [email-masked]
>> Contact Number:  972-447-1800 x1894 or 9236 fwd's to home ph#
>> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:42:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick Greenwell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Andy Gardner wrote:

> At 4:43 pm -0800 2/11/01, Eric Dierker wrote:
> >Please end this or take it off list.
>
> A number of us consider this relevant to the GA>

I think the number hovers somewhere around 3.

Please consider this another request to take petty bickering elsewhere.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:44:28 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Hello Eric,

Sunday, February 11, 2001, 4:43:45 PM, Eric Dierker wrote:

> Please end this or take it off list.

You don't have to read threads you don't like.

On topic subjects cannot be forced off the list simply because some
people don't like the subject, or get tired of it.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:49:26 -0500
From: "Joanna Lane" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] What causes the problem?

Sotiris wrote:-
 (BTW
Imbalance is also what has led to the current stand-still in the WG-Review
Discussion.  I would just like to ask the Chair of the WG-Review why it is
that
he feels it more pressing upon his time to move forward matters in the GA
List,
to which he has no [to my knowledge] official relation, other than having
been
nominated as candidate for some nebulous election, and not instead push on
to
complete the WGr? )

- - Sotiris, I think you are being a little disingenuous here. The GA Chair
issue is certainly
not nebulous and since the GA is a topic on this list, it is hardly
inappropriate for Greg to seek feedback from
the membership as a way to move both the GA and WG-Review forward.
His efforts deserve our support, not criticism.
Joanna

Sotiris wrote:-
One thing that could be done is to immediately call for a moratorium on all
pending UDRP actions which do not involve infringement of a demonstrably
coined
word or clearly associative commercial interest/intent.  I think such a move
would go a long way to bringing a little bit of respectability back to some
areas of Justice.  Further, they could publicly lay aside their plans for
*somehow* adding geographical indications and other excuses to a growing
list of
*reasons* for domain USURPATION.  Who gets a geographic name after all?  Do
we
live in the same reality?  Do they really want to start stirring up such
problems?  Do you want to allow them to do so?  Do we?  There must be a
reconsideration of priorities, and there should be evidence of goodwill on
both
sides.  Certain substantial moves have to be made, not merely gestures.

- - I think this is worth consideration, but hang on, we need a DNDEF don't we
to come up with a viable alternative?

To
date, the record shows that there are 5 AtLarge Directors on the Board.
Correct
me if I'm wrong, but are there not supposed to be 9?  If there are supposed
to
be nine, why are there only five?  Whose interests were being served when
the
decision to go with 5 was taken?  How much more plain can it be?

- - Could your world@large site be used to run elections for the other 4?

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
        Hermes Network, Inc.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:59:13 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] What causes the problem?

Amen brothers and sisters, this is positive and progressive.  If we are going to
move forward let us look to tommorrow.
Critical yet moving forward.  Greg it is a conundrum.

Ultreya,

Joanna Lane wrote:

> Sotiris wrote:-
>  (BTW
> Imbalance is also what has led to the current stand-still in the WG-Review
> Discussion.  I would just like to ask the Chair of the WG-Review why it is
> that
> he feels it more pressing upon his time to move forward matters in the GA
> List,
> to which he has no [to my knowledge] official relation, other than having
> been
> nominated as candidate for some nebulous election, and not instead push on
> to
> complete the WGr? )
>
> - Sotiris, I think you are being a little disingenuous here. The GA Chair
> issue is certainly
> not nebulous and since the GA is a topic on this list, it is hardly
> inappropriate for Greg to seek feedback from
> the membership as a way to move both the GA and WG-Review forward.
> His efforts deserve our support, not criticism.
> Joanna
>
> Sotiris wrote:-
> One thing that could be done is to immediately call for a moratorium on all
> pending UDRP actions which do not involve infringement of a demonstrably
> coined
> word or clearly associative commercial interest/intent.  I think such a move
> would go a long way to bringing a little bit of respectability back to some
> areas of Justice.  Further, they could publicly lay aside their plans for
> *somehow* adding geographical indications and other excuses to a growing
> list of
> *reasons* for domain USURPATION.  Who gets a geographic name after all?  Do
> we
> live in the same reality?  Do they really want to start stirring up such
> problems?  Do you want to allow them to do so?  Do we?  There must be a
> reconsideration of priorities, and there should be evidence of goodwill on
> both
> sides.  Certain substantial moves have to be made, not merely gestures.
>
> - I think this is worth consideration, but hang on, we need a DNDEF don't we
> to come up with a viable alternative?
>
> To
> date, the record shows that there are 5 AtLarge Directors on the Board.
> Correct
> me if I'm wrong, but are there not supposed to be 9?  If there are supposed
> to
> be nine, why are there only five?  Whose interests were being served when
> the
> decision to go with 5 was taken?  How much more plain can it be?
>
> - Could your world@large site be used to run elections for the other 4?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>         Hermes Network, Inc.
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:11:20 -0500
From: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] What causes the problem?

Okay, let's try to sort out what is in the scope of the various groups.  And
to spend energy where it is useful and where it can make a significant
difference.  

First, the UDRP, whether one likes it as a concept or not, exists. And is
working. You can go check out the list of cases and make your own value
judgment about the outcomes.  I don't know what value it adds to suggest a
boycott.  When infringements occur, some action takes place.  If there is
objection to the extension to the extension to geographic names, then one
should participate in the forum where that debate is taking place. It's not
ICANN. It's WIPO.

You could have chosen to participate by filing comments in RFC-2 of the WIPO
process. And if you missed that, please still submit comments. I've found
WIPO open to listening,even if you miss deadlines. The public process for
comment, by the way, is only beginning, with public meetings being held
around the world. I've not paid much attention them, but recall that the
first is in Chicago; others are in Europe and Asia; and that online comments
are welcomed.   The WIPO considerations are in response to letters from
member governments. They didn't generate their work program at the request
of ICANN. You can check out the site at WIPO.int, and see the letter of
request from 19 member countries.  

About the  study of the @large and what is the right approach. There is a
process to study what should happen next, chaired by Carl Bildt, a highly
respected European.  There will be a meeting,  I understand, of the @Large
group to take public comment in Melbourne, in Stockhelm, and in other
mechanisms. Perhaps that is a better strategy for this group to be focused
on? To ensure that online participation can be included in those meetings?
and that the meetings take place at the ICANN Meetings when the largest
representation of folks can participate?  

What is in this group's scope is about the GA. what is the GA doing to do to
add meaning, create an appearance at least of organizational structure so
that all can participate. Electing a chair is a first step.

Marilyn
- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Dierker [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:59 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Sotiropoulos; Cade,Marilyn S - LGA; Greg Burton; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] What causes the problem?

Amen brothers and sisters, this is positive and progressive.  If we are
going to
move forward let us look to tommorrow.
Critical yet moving forward.  Greg it is a conundrum.

Ultreya,

Joanna Lane wrote:

> Sotiris wrote:-
>  (BTW
> Imbalance is also what has led to the current stand-still in the WG-Review
> Discussion.  I would just like to ask the Chair of the WG-Review why it is
> that
> he feels it more pressing upon his time to move forward matters in the GA
> List,
> to which he has no [to my knowledge] official relation, other than having
> been
> nominated as candidate for some nebulous election, and not instead push on
> to
> complete the WGr? )
>
> - Sotiris, I think you are being a little disingenuous here. The GA Chair
> issue is certainly
> not nebulous and since the GA is a topic on this list, it is hardly
> inappropriate for Greg to seek feedback from
> the membership as a way to move both the GA and WG-Review forward.
> His efforts deserve our support, not criticism.
> Joanna
>
> Sotiris wrote:-
> One thing that could be done is to immediately call for a moratorium on
all
> pending UDRP actions which do not involve infringement of a demonstrably
> coined
> word or clearly associative commercial interest/intent.  I think such a
move
> would go a long way to bringing a little bit of respectability back to
some
> areas of Justice.  Further, they could publicly lay aside their plans for
> *somehow* adding geographical indications and other excuses to a growing
> list of
> *reasons* for domain USURPATION.  Who gets a geographic name after all?
Do
> we
> live in the same reality?  Do they really want to start stirring up such
> problems?  Do you want to allow them to do so?  Do we?  There must be a
> reconsideration of priorities, and there should be evidence of goodwill on
> both
> sides.  Certain substantial moves have to be made, not merely gestures.
>
> - I think this is worth consideration, but hang on, we need a DNDEF don't
we
> to come up with a viable alternative?
>
> To
> date, the record shows that there are 5 AtLarge Directors on the Board.
> Correct
> me if I'm wrong, but are there not supposed to be 9?  If there are
supposed
> to
> be nine, why are there only five?  Whose interests were being served when
> the
> decision to go with 5 was taken?  How much more plain can it be?
>
> - Could your world@large site be used to run elections for the other 4?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>         Hermes Network, Inc.
>
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