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GA-DIGEST         Saturday, February 10 2001         Volume 01 : Number 229

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:14:33 -0700
From: Greg Burton <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Motion on Chair Election

At 09:56 AM 2/9/01, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>Motion 2.
>"
>The DNSO/GA asks the Board of Directors to modify the iCANN
>bylaws to have its Chairperson directly elected by the DNSO/GA
>Members.
>
>It calls on the commitment of the NC to support that request and to
>the result of the DNSO/GA nomination process until the Board of
>Directors has modified the Bylaws as requested by the DNSO/GA.
>"

I appreciate the idea greatly, but this is not a well-formed motion, and it 
does not address the potential need for an interim chair. I would recommend 
that the body of the motion read:
- -----
The NC should recommend to the ICANN Board of Directors that the ICANN 
bylaws be amended by deleting Article VI-B Section 2 (i)  "The NC shall 
elect the Chairman of the GA annually.", and inserting Article VI-B Section 
4 (e)  "The GA shall elect the Chairman of the GA annually according to the 
voting procedures adopted by the GA".
- -----

>Motion 1.
>"
>The DNSO/GA wants to directly elect its Chairperson. The DNSO/GA
>therefore ask the Board of Directors to modify the iCANN bylaws before
>the renewal of its current Chair to permit the direct election of its next
>Chairperson. To respect this agenda, the requested change should be
>decided during the Melbourne BoD meeting.
>"

This motion means we will lack a chair if they don't do it. Bad idea 
because you can't count on it happening when you want it to.

Regards,
Greg

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:37:35 -0700
From: Greg Burton <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Draft of Bylaws Recommendation concerning the General Assembly

Dear GA members,

After reading through some of the comments here and in WG-Review, and 
considering the WG-D preliminary report and Kent Crispin's comments on the 
need for small, flexible working groups, I'd like to move the following 
text be adopted. (Someone else can add the whereas's and all - this is just 
the meat of it.)

The Names Council should recommend that the ICANN Board of Directors 
replace Article VI-B Section 4 with the following text:
- ------------------------
(a) The GA shall be an open forum for participation in the work of the DNSO,
This work includes but is not limited to work item proposal and
development; discussion of work items proposed by the Names Council;
draft document preparation; research on topics of interest to the DNSO; and
recommendations of policies and procedures for the internal use of the 
DNSO. Adopted reports or recommendations of the GA shall be passed to the 
Names Council in a timely manner.

(b) The GA shall be open to all who are willing to contribute effort to the
work of the DNSO. Participants in the GA should be individuals who have a
knowledge of and an interest in issues pertaining to the areas for which
the DNSO has primary responsibility.

(c) Membership in the GA shall consist of those individuals listed in the
GA Voting Registry.

(d) Participants in the GA shall nominate, pursuant to procedures adopted
by the NC and approved by the Board, persons to serve on the Board in those
seats reserved for the DNSO.

(e) Officers of the GA shall include a chair, a co-chair, and an ombudsman. 
Officers of the GA shall be elected annually according to the voting 
procedures adopted by the GA and approved by the NC.

(f) The Officers of the GA shall be members of the Names Council.

(g) The ombudsman shall be responsible for investigating process issues 
within the DNSO, including but not limited to conflicts involving the Names 
Council as a whole. The ombudsman shall report directly to the ICANN Board 
of Directors.

(h) Each constituency formed under Article VI-B Section 3 of these bylaws
shall select one member as the constituency observer to the GA. Each observer
will be responsible for informing their constituency of the GA's current
activities on a timely basis.

(i) The GA shall meet physically at least once a year, if possible in
conjunction with regularly scheduled meetings of the Board. To the maximum
extent practicable, all meetings should be available for online attendance
as well as physical attendance.

(j) The costs of physical GA meetings shall be the responsibility of the DNSO,
which may levy an equitable, cost-based fee on GA attendees to recoup those
costs. There shall be no other fees required to participate in the GA. The 
costs of GA mailing lists or other online mechanisms for performing the 
work of the GA shall be the responsibility of the DNSO.

(k) The GA shall adopt it's internal procedures as it sees fit, so long as 
they are fair, transparent, and consistent with these by-laws.

(l) Upon application by no less than five members of the GA, the Chair of 
the GA may recognize a Special Interest Group (SIG). Upon such recognition, 
a SIG shall have a mailing list created by the Secretariat of the DNSO. 
Each SIG shall have a clearly defined interest area, and shall produce 
regular reports for the GA's consideration in that area. Each application 
shall contain a definition of the interest area; a SIG name; and the SIG's 
method for self-organization.
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Regards,
Greg

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:59:40 -0600
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for focus.....

I agree....

.(My 2 cents worth).

Bruce James

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Burton" <[email-masked]>
To: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for focus.....

At 06:14 AM 2/9/01, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
>Greg Burton wrote:
>>
>>Ok - it looks to me like we'd need to start on the 6th, if we allowed 10
>>days for nomination and acceptance, and 7 days for the poll. This would
>>close on the 23rd, then, and give the NC at least a couple of days to look
>>over what we've done.
>
>To me, a reasonable target would be to have ICANN dealing with the bylaws
>change in relation to the GA Chairperson election in the Melbourne meeting.

Yes - but that doesn't mean the board will deal with them at that time. In
the interim, I have the impression that the NC WILL approve whoever we
elect - so let's do it. Better to have a chair in place, in case the BoD
doesn't act immediately.

Aside from giving direction to the GA, the Chair will continue to serve on
the review task force when it's re-constituted to recommend implementation
strategies to the NC, so getting a new chair is crucial to representing GA
interests in the NC process.

>I assume that in order to achieve this result we have to:
>- bring a motion forward to ICANN to have the matter discussed

We need to make the recommendation to the NC - I would suggest that posting
comments to the task force review document making that recommendation would
be productive, as well as passing the formal motion already made here.

>- come to an agreement with the NC (will the NC support the motion? will
>the NC formally elect the most voted nominee?)

This is two parts. On part one, we don't know at this time, which is why
proceeding with the nomination process we're already in is crucial to OUR
credibility. On part two,  it was mentioned in the NC teleconference
yesterday that they "think we're in the process of selecting someone". I
suggest that we'd better stop fooling around and do it.

I'm a bit irritated that this has stalled by inaction to the point that by
Harald's calculations, we already can't do it in time. I posted what we'd
need to do on the 4th - it's already the 9th, before there was any reply.
Since the NC seems willing to select whoever the GA wants, for us to fail
in this means that responsibility for the lack of a GA chair falls squarely
on the GA , not the NC.

<sarcasm>
This should do wonders for our credibility.
</sarcasm>

Regards,
Greg

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:27:55 -0500
From: "Joanna Lane" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Draft of Bylaws Recommendation concerning the General Assembly

Greg,
I have one comment about (i) online attendance. There was a great deal of
frustration expressed by online participants in LA because comments and
questions being passed forward were more often than not ignored by those
physically present and the manner in which the these were considered often
seemed arbitrary. In order to avoid the GA AGM also turning into an elitist
group of those who can afford the time and money to participate physically,
I'd like to see the wording strengthened to give online participants equal
rights to participate and vote. It's a small point and as always, you have
done a fine job....:-)
Regards,
Joanna Lane

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Greg
Burton
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Draft of Bylaws Recommendation concerning the General
Assembly

Dear GA members,

After reading through some of the comments here and in WG-Review, and
considering the WG-D preliminary report and Kent Crispin's comments on the
need for small, flexible working groups, I'd like to move the following
text be adopted. (Someone else can add the whereas's and all - this is just
the meat of it.)

The Names Council should recommend that the ICANN Board of Directors
replace Article VI-B Section 4 with the following text:
- ------------------------
(a) The GA shall be an open forum for participation in the work of the DNSO,
This work includes but is not limited to work item proposal and
development; discussion of work items proposed by the Names Council;
draft document preparation; research on topics of interest to the DNSO; and
recommendations of policies and procedures for the internal use of the
DNSO. Adopted reports or recommendations of the GA shall be passed to the
Names Council in a timely manner.

(b) The GA shall be open to all who are willing to contribute effort to the
work of the DNSO. Participants in the GA should be individuals who have a
knowledge of and an interest in issues pertaining to the areas for which
the DNSO has primary responsibility.

(c) Membership in the GA shall consist of those individuals listed in the
GA Voting Registry.

(d) Participants in the GA shall nominate, pursuant to procedures adopted
by the NC and approved by the Board, persons to serve on the Board in those
seats reserved for the DNSO.

(e) Officers of the GA shall include a chair, a co-chair, and an ombudsman.
Officers of the GA shall be elected annually according to the voting
procedures adopted by the GA and approved by the NC.

(f) The Officers of the GA shall be members of the Names Council.

(g) The ombudsman shall be responsible for investigating process issues
within the DNSO, including but not limited to conflicts involving the Names
Council as a whole. The ombudsman shall report directly to the ICANN Board
of Directors.

(h) Each constituency formed under Article VI-B Section 3 of these bylaws
shall select one member as the constituency observer to the GA. Each
observer
will be responsible for informing their constituency of the GA's current
activities on a timely basis.

(i) The GA shall meet physically at least once a year, if possible in
conjunction with regularly scheduled meetings of the Board. To the maximum
extent practicable, all meetings should be available for online attendance
as well as physical attendance.

(j) The costs of physical GA meetings shall be the responsibility of the
DNSO,
which may levy an equitable, cost-based fee on GA attendees to recoup those
costs. There shall be no other fees required to participate in the GA. The
costs of GA mailing lists or other online mechanisms for performing the
work of the GA shall be the responsibility of the DNSO.

(k) The GA shall adopt it's internal procedures as it sees fit, so long as
they are fair, transparent, and consistent with these by-laws.

(l) Upon application by no less than five members of the GA, the Chair of
the GA may recognize a Special Interest Group (SIG). Upon such recognition,
a SIG shall have a mailing list created by the Secretariat of the DNSO.
Each SIG shall have a clearly defined interest area, and shall produce
regular reports for the GA's consideration in that area. Each application
shall contain a definition of the interest area; a SIG name; and the SIG's
method for self-organization.
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Regards,
Greg

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:41:55 -0500
From: "Joanna Lane" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Mr Connolly,
I congratulate you on a fine piece of work. I have queries as follows:-
1) May I ask you please why you feel (i)B is necessary?
2) What is "good cause" ?
2) Should we not add co-chair/ alternate chair ?
Thanks,
Joanna Lane

I do not believe that we need to adopt two resolutions. One will suffice;
and while the resolution will need to be addressed to the ICANN board, we
should also seek the endorsement of the NC and send that endorsement to the
Board with the resolution.

I will also apologize for having taken a lawyer's chisel to the resolution,
but I think we need to present the Board with something in a form which they
can, if they agree, adopt without too much editorial work.

Here is my proposal:

Whereas, the General Assembly exists as an open forum for participation in
the work of the DNSO by any and all interested participants; and
Whereas, the utility of the General Assembly has been impaired by apathy on
the part of its participants and expressions from within and without that
the General Assembly serves no useful purpose other than to lend a veneer of
legitimacy to the decisions and actions of the DNSO and the corporation; and
Whereas, a recurrent complaint with respect to the General Assembly is its
inability to select its own chair, which has contributed to the General
Assembly having been devalued by its membership and disregarded by the
Internet Community,

Now, therefore, Be it resolved by the General Assembly of the Domain Name
Supporting Organization:

The Board of the corporation is respectfully requested to adopt the
following resolution or its substantial equivalent:

Resolved, That Sub-Section 2(i) of the Bylaws of the corporation be amended
by striking out the whole thereof, and providing in lieu thereof:

(i)(A) The General Assembly, in such manner as it may select by resolution
and approved by the Names Council, provided that such manner provides a full
and equal opportunity for online participation by members whose unique
identities have been verified, shall select its chair annually, and at such
other times as the chair shall become vacant.

(i)(B) The Board may, with concurrence of a majority of all of its members,
whether voting or not, remove the Chair of the General Assembly for good
cause shown.
===end of resolution===

We should at the same time adopt and transmit a statement of our reasons for
this change, in rather more detail than is set out in the preamble
(whereases). While the request and supporting statement should be presented
to the Board, we should seek the endorsement of the NC for this proposal.

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:17:47 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Draft of Bylaws Recommendation concerning the General Assembly

Greg and all remaining assembly members,

  I am in agreement with the vast majority of your proposal here Greg.
Well done.  I am sure our membership will view it favorably as well.
There are two parts of you proposal that I think may need some
adjustment.  So, I would like to propose the following amendments
to you proposal:

Under your "L", which states, "l) Upon application by no less than five members
of the GA, the Chair of the GA may recognize a Special Interest Group (SIG).
Upon such recognition, a SIG shall have a mailing list created by the Secretariat
of the DNSO.  Each SIG shall have a clearly defined interest area, and shall
produce regular reports for the GA's consideration in that area. Each application
shall contain a definition of the interest area; a SIG name; and the SIG's
method for self-organization."

  I would propose to amend this to the following:

L. Upon application by no less than five members of the GA, the Chair of
the GA may recognize a Special Interest Group (SIG). Upon such
recognition, a SIG shall have a mailing list created by the Secretariat
of the DNSO.  And that each SIG shall be self determined and without
impediment be recognized as a SIG.  Further that each SIG may have
more than one interest area.  That each SIG shall be required to define
those interest areas, an name and not required to define or outline method
of self organization.

  I would also propose that your "C" be amended or replaced with the
following"

C. That the membership will be open to any and all whom have interest
in Domain Name or TLD interests without reservation.  That each member
have one vote.  That each member be required to vote when a vote is
called for or otherwise required at least one out of 3 instances.

Greg Burton wrote:

> Dear GA members,
>
> After reading through some of the comments here and in WG-Review, and
> considering the WG-D preliminary report and Kent Crispin's comments on the
> need for small, flexible working groups, I'd like to move the following
> text be adopted. (Someone else can add the whereas's and all - this is just
> the meat of it.)
>
> The Names Council should recommend that the ICANN Board of Directors
> replace Article VI-B Section 4 with the following text:
> ------------------------
> (a) The GA shall be an open forum for participation in the work of the DNSO,
> This work includes but is not limited to work item proposal and
> development; discussion of work items proposed by the Names Council;
> draft document preparation; research on topics of interest to the DNSO; and
> recommendations of policies and procedures for the internal use of the
> DNSO. Adopted reports or recommendations of the GA shall be passed to the
> Names Council in a timely manner.
>
> (b) The GA shall be open to all who are willing to contribute effort to the
> work of the DNSO. Participants in the GA should be individuals who have a
> knowledge of and an interest in issues pertaining to the areas for which
> the DNSO has primary responsibility.
>
> (c) Membership in the GA shall consist of those individuals listed in the
> GA Voting Registry.
>
> (d) Participants in the GA shall nominate, pursuant to procedures adopted
> by the NC and approved by the Board, persons to serve on the Board in those
> seats reserved for the DNSO.
>
> (e) Officers of the GA shall include a chair, a co-chair, and an ombudsman.
> Officers of the GA shall be elected annually according to the voting
> procedures adopted by the GA and approved by the NC.
>
> (f) The Officers of the GA shall be members of the Names Council.
>
> (g) The ombudsman shall be responsible for investigating process issues
> within the DNSO, including but not limited to conflicts involving the Names
> Council as a whole. The ombudsman shall report directly to the ICANN Board
> of Directors.
>
> (h) Each constituency formed under Article VI-B Section 3 of these bylaws
> shall select one member as the constituency observer to the GA. Each observer
> will be responsible for informing their constituency of the GA's current
> activities on a timely basis.
>
> (i) The GA shall meet physically at least once a year, if possible in
> conjunction with regularly scheduled meetings of the Board. To the maximum
> extent practicable, all meetings should be available for online attendance
> as well as physical attendance.
>
> (j) The costs of physical GA meetings shall be the responsibility of the DNSO,
> which may levy an equitable, cost-based fee on GA attendees to recoup those
> costs. There shall be no other fees required to participate in the GA. The
> costs of GA mailing lists or other online mechanisms for performing the
> work of the GA shall be the responsibility of the DNSO.
>
> (k) The GA shall adopt it's internal procedures as it sees fit, so long as
> they are fair, transparent, and consistent with these by-laws.
>
> (l) Upon application by no less than five members of the GA, the Chair of
> the GA may recognize a Special Interest Group (SIG). Upon such recognition,
> a SIG shall have a mailing list created by the Secretariat of the DNSO.
> Each SIG shall have a clearly defined interest area, and shall produce
> regular reports for the GA's consideration in that area. Each application
> shall contain a definition of the interest area; a SIG name; and the SIG's
> method for self-organization.
> ----------------------
>
> Regards,
> Greg
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:08:04 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Hello Joanna,

Friday, February 09, 2001, 1:41:55 PM, Joanna Lane wrote:

> Mr Connolly,
> I congratulate you on a fine piece of work. I have queries as follows:-
> 1) May I ask you please why you feel (i)B is necessary?

Some means of recall should be in place, for example when the person
acts in a fashion that an elected official should not act.  It
sounds like a reasonable provision.

I may suggest a modification that states explicitly that GA itself may
initiate a request to the board to vacate the chair should the GA
decide it has lost faith in that person's leadership as well.

> 2) Should we not add co-chair/ alternate chair ?

I agree with this sentiment.

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:22:58 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Draft of Bylaws Recommendation concerning the General Assembly

Joanna and all remaining assembly members,

  Very good point here Joanna!  Thank you for making it, yet again...  >;)

Joanna Lane wrote:

> Greg,
> I have one comment about (i) online attendance. There was a great deal of
> frustration expressed by online participants in LA because comments and
> questions being passed forward were more often than not ignored by those
> physically present and the manner in which the these were considered often
> seemed arbitrary. In order to avoid the GA AGM also turning into an elitist
> group of those who can afford the time and money to participate physically,
> I'd like to see the wording strengthened to give online participants equal
> rights to participate and vote. It's a small point and as always, you have
> done a fine job....:-)
> Regards,
> Joanna Lane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Greg
> Burton
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [ga] Draft of Bylaws Recommendation concerning the General
> Assembly
>
> Dear GA members,
>
> After reading through some of the comments here and in WG-Review, and
> considering the WG-D preliminary report and Kent Crispin's comments on the
> need for small, flexible working groups, I'd like to move the following
> text be adopted. (Someone else can add the whereas's and all - this is just
> the meat of it.)
>
> The Names Council should recommend that the ICANN Board of Directors
> replace Article VI-B Section 4 with the following text:
> ------------------------
> (a) The GA shall be an open forum for participation in the work of the DNSO,
> This work includes but is not limited to work item proposal and
> development; discussion of work items proposed by the Names Council;
> draft document preparation; research on topics of interest to the DNSO; and
> recommendations of policies and procedures for the internal use of the
> DNSO. Adopted reports or recommendations of the GA shall be passed to the
> Names Council in a timely manner.
>
> (b) The GA shall be open to all who are willing to contribute effort to the
> work of the DNSO. Participants in the GA should be individuals who have a
> knowledge of and an interest in issues pertaining to the areas for which
> the DNSO has primary responsibility.
>
> (c) Membership in the GA shall consist of those individuals listed in the
> GA Voting Registry.
>
> (d) Participants in the GA shall nominate, pursuant to procedures adopted
> by the NC and approved by the Board, persons to serve on the Board in those
> seats reserved for the DNSO.
>
> (e) Officers of the GA shall include a chair, a co-chair, and an ombudsman.
> Officers of the GA shall be elected annually according to the voting
> procedures adopted by the GA and approved by the NC.
>
> (f) The Officers of the GA shall be members of the Names Council.
>
> (g) The ombudsman shall be responsible for investigating process issues
> within the DNSO, including but not limited to conflicts involving the Names
> Council as a whole. The ombudsman shall report directly to the ICANN Board
> of Directors.
>
> (h) Each constituency formed under Article VI-B Section 3 of these bylaws
> shall select one member as the constituency observer to the GA. Each
> observer
> will be responsible for informing their constituency of the GA's current
> activities on a timely basis.
>
> (i) The GA shall meet physically at least once a year, if possible in
> conjunction with regularly scheduled meetings of the Board. To the maximum
> extent practicable, all meetings should be available for online attendance
> as well as physical attendance.
>
> (j) The costs of physical GA meetings shall be the responsibility of the
> DNSO,
> which may levy an equitable, cost-based fee on GA attendees to recoup those
> costs. There shall be no other fees required to participate in the GA. The
> costs of GA mailing lists or other online mechanisms for performing the
> work of the GA shall be the responsibility of the DNSO.
>
> (k) The GA shall adopt it's internal procedures as it sees fit, so long as
> they are fair, transparent, and consistent with these by-laws.
>
> (l) Upon application by no less than five members of the GA, the Chair of
> the GA may recognize a Special Interest Group (SIG). Upon such recognition,
> a SIG shall have a mailing list created by the Secretariat of the DNSO.
> Each SIG shall have a clearly defined interest area, and shall produce
> regular reports for the GA's consideration in that area. Each application
> shall contain a definition of the interest area; a SIG name; and the SIG's
> method for self-organization.
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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:40:45 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Kevin and all remaining assembly members,

  Kevin, nice piece of work here.  We [INEGroup] are in agreement
with your first statements in introduction of your proposed resolution.

  We have some questions and concerns about part of this combined
single resolution however.  They are as follows:

1.) In your (i) (A) our concerns is with the term "Select" vs "Elect" for the
Chair of the DNSO.  Should not a Chair be Elected and not Selected?
We believe so...

2.)  Also in your (i) (A) we are concerned regarding the NC "Selecting"
resolutions instead of the membership voting upon those resolutions that
may be put forth.  We prefer that any and all resolutions should be allowed
to be carried forward should as proposed or otherwise amended.  And that
the DNSO membership vote on the said resolutions.

3.) Also in your (i) (A), how do you propose to adequately and accurately
verify members unique identities?  Please elaborate here if you would...

4.)  As Joanne has pointed out in your (i)(B), please define in detail what
is "Good cause"....  ?????

Kevin J. Connolly wrote:

> I do not believe that we need to adopt two resolutions. One will suffice; and while the resolution will need to be addressed to the ICANN board, we should also seek the endorsement of the NC and send that endorsement to the Board with the resolution.
>
> I will also apologize for having taken a lawyer's chisel to the resolution, but I think we need to present the Board with something in a form which they can, if they agree, adopt without too much editorial work.
>
> Here is my proposal:
>
> Whereas, the General Assembly exists as an open forum for participation in the work of the DNSO by any and all interested participants; and
> Whereas, the utility of the General Assembly has been impaired by apathy on the part of its participants and expressions from within and without that the General Assembly serves no useful purpose other than to lend a veneer of legitimacy to the decisions and actions of the DNSO and the corporation; and
> Whereas, a recurrent complaint with respect to the General Assembly is its inability to select its own chair, which has contributed to the General Assembly having been devalued by its membership and disregarded by the Internet Community,
>
> Now, therefore, Be it resolved by the General Assembly of the Domain Name Supporting Organization:
>
> The Board of the corporation is respectfully requested to adopt the following resolution or its substantial equivalent:
>
> Resolved, That Sub-Section 2(i) of the Bylaws of the corporation be amended by striking out the whole thereof, and providing in lieu thereof:
>
> (i)(A) The General Assembly, in such manner as it may select by resolution and approved by the Names Council, provided that such manner provides a full and equal opportunity for online participation by members whose unique identities have been verified, shall select its chair annually, and at such other times as the chair shall become vacant.
>
> (i)(B) The Board may, with concurrence of a majority of all of its members, whether voting or not, remove the Chair of the General Assembly for good cause shown.
> ===end of resolution===
>
> We should at the same time adopt and transmit a statement of our reasons for this change, in rather more detail than is set out in the preamble (whereases). While the request and supporting statement should be presented to the Board, we should seek the endorsement of the NC for this proposal.
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:48:12 +1100
From: "Dassa" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[3]: [ga] Reform in the GA?

|>-----Original Message-----
|>From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Roberto
|>Gaetano
|>Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:11 AM
|>To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
|>Subject: Re: Re[3]: [ga] Reform in the GA?
|>
|>
|>Dear William and Joop,
|>I was just wandering how long it would have taken to see this 
|>personal fight again on this public list.
|>Are you really so sure that everybody has such a deep 
|>interest in this to hold their breath waiting to see the next chapter of this soap opera?

As Joop has been holding the IDNO has a shining light for everyone to follow and has gained no small measure of recognition from his efforts in forming the IDNO and providing tools for not only the use of the IDNO but also the WG-Review, I would consider it relevant to this forum.

Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.

Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:48:45 +1100
From: "Dassa" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Reform in the GA?

Under the same rules that Jeff Williams is applying here I would like to make a complaint regarding his compliants against WXW.  There has been continued action by the person calling themselves Jeff Williams against William Walsh on not only this forum but also others, this frivolous complaint is only one of many that display an abusive nature, not only against the individual named but also the assembly.

Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.

|>-----Original Message-----
|>From: [email-masked] 
|>[mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of
|>Jeff Williams
|>Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:43 PM
|>To: [email-masked]
|>Subject: Re: [ga] Reform in the GA?
|>
|>
|>WXW, Roberto and all remaining assembly members,
|>
|>  I am afraid WXW, that like Roberto the long standing feud 
|>that you have
|>been engaging in with Joop has transcended any comments you might make
|>with regard to Joop or the IDNO.  As such, and from the text of your
|>comments which Roberto responded to I must agree that your behavior
|>and gist of your comments are definitely viewed in this manner.  As
|>such, you have yet again spread your venom towards Joop and the
|>IDNO to the GA ML in an attempt to discredit Joop.  This is 
|>in accordance
|>with the DNSO GA ML, abusive.
|>
|>William X. Walsh wrote:
|>
|>> Hello Roberto,
|>>
|>> Thursday, February 08, 2001, 9:10:45 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
|>>
|>> > Dear William and Joop,
|>> > I was just wandering how long it would have taken to see 
|>this personal fight
|>> > again on this public list.
|>> > Are you really so sure that everybody has such a deep 
|>interest in this to
|>> > hold their breath waiting to see the next chapter of this 
|>soap opera?
|>>
|>> This isn't a personal fight, Roberto.  This is an issue 
|>regarding what
|>> people are saying about the GA, and what is has accomplished, and
|>> taking credit for those things.
|>>
|>> I was very careful to make sure there was nothing in that 
|>message that
|>> was a personal attack in any fashion, merely posing a 
|>question to the
|>> assembly that has result in a very lively discussion, more 
|>lively than
|>> the GA has been in weeks.
|>>
|>> You're welcome.
|>>
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