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GA-DIGEST          Saturday, February 3 2001          Volume 01 : Number 221

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:03:18 -0500
From: Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Comments on GA section of Review Task Force report

Greg Burton wrote:

> ------
> Comments:
> 
> 1. "no little" should be replaced with "little" - this appears to be a 
> typo.
> It would probably be more accurate to say that GA participation is 
> sporadic,
> depending on circumstances.

How periodic is involvement? are there any numbers?  what are the 
conditions etc...?

> 
> 2. Thirteen WG-Review members responded to a poll on the Task Force 
> question
> "Is the GA properly defined?" Twelve answered "no", and one didn't know.
> This perceived lack of definition probably contributes to both the
> participation and authority issues. A better definition of the GA will
> probably require changes to the ICANN bylaws.

> 3. The GA as a group appears to lack any authority whatsoever. It has no
> mandated abilities beyond nominating ICANN BoD members.
> 
> Text:
> -------
> How to address the current structural problems to enhance the GA within
> the DNSO has received much discussion, and should be further addressed.
> -------
> Comments:
> ***
> 1. The ICANN Bylaws state that "the NC shall elect the Chairman of the GA
> annually."
> 
> As of February 1, 2001 the General Assembly lacks a chair, as Mr Roberto
> Gaetano's term has expired. Mr. Gaetano brought this issue up in November
> 2000 at the Marina Del Rey meetings, well in advance of this 
> circumstance.
> Mr Gaetano indicated at that time that he would be willing to continue 
> for
> a few months, and recommended that the bylaws be amended to allow direct
> vote for the GA chair by the GA itself. On January 30, 2001, Mr Gaetano
> wrote to the GA (http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc06/msg00087.html):
> 
> "...I have the impression that nothing moves, and that therefore we 
> may found
> ourselves at the next meeting at more or less the same point."
> 
> At this point in time, 10 weeeks later, it does not appear that the NC 
> has
> yet placed this item on it's agenda, or had substantive discussions on 
> the
> NC council list.

Obvious oversight? or dereliction? Who (specifically) is/was in charge 
of keeping track
of such things (i.e. Roberto's term expiring and selection process)?   
Is this not some sort
of secretariat function?  or do NCers just scrawl this sort of thing on 
Post-it notes? How
does it work?

> 
> (http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010208.NCtelecon-agenda.html) Unless 
> this
> is addressed at the regularly-scheduled Names Council teleconference on
> February 26, Mr Gaetano's statement appears correct. It should also be 
> noted
> that the NC has been unable to address all of it's agenda items in the
> timeframe allocated to these items, and simply placing it on the 
> agenda does
> not mean that it will be dealt with promptly.

A reminder usually helps.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 02:47:57 -0500
From: "JandL" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Comments on GA section of Review Task Force report

> Greg Burton wrote:
> 
> > ------
> > Comments:
> > 
> > 1. "no little" should be replaced with "little" - this appears to be
> > a typo. It would probably be more accurate to say that GA
> > participation is sporadic, depending on circumstances.
> 
> How periodic is involvement? are there any numbers?  what are the
> conditions etc...?
> 
> > 
> > 2. Thirteen WG-Review members responded to a poll on the Task Force
> > question "Is the GA properly defined?" Twelve answered "no", and one
> > didn't know. This perceived lack of definition probably contributes
> > to both the participation and authority issues. A better definition
> > of the GA will probably require changes to the ICANN bylaws.
> 
> > 3. The GA as a group appears to lack any authority whatsoever. It
> > has no mandated abilities beyond nominating ICANN BoD members.
> > 
> > Text:
> > -------
> > How to address the current structural problems to enhance the GA
> > within the DNSO has received much discussion, and should be further
> > addressed. ------- Comments: *** 1. The ICANN Bylaws state that "the
> > NC shall elect the Chairman of the GA annually."
> > 
> > As of February 1, 2001 the General Assembly lacks a chair, as Mr
> > Roberto Gaetano's term has expired. Mr. Gaetano brought this issue
> > up in November 2000 at the Marina Del Rey meetings, well in advance
> > of this circumstance. Mr Gaetano indicated at that time that he
> > would be willing to continue for a few months, and recommended that
> > the bylaws be amended to allow direct vote for the GA chair by the
> > GA itself. On January 30, 2001, Mr Gaetano wrote to the GA
> > (http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc06/msg00087.html):
> > 
> > "...I have the impression that nothing moves, and that therefore we
> > may found ourselves at the next meeting at more or less the same
> > point."
> > 
> > At this point in time, 10 weeeks later, it does not appear that the
> > NC has yet placed this item on it's agenda, or had substantive
> > discussions on the NC council list.
> 
> Obvious oversight? or dereliction? Who (specifically) is/was in charge
> of keeping track of such things (i.e. Roberto's term expiring and
> selection process)?   Is this not some sort of secretariat function? 
> or do NCers just scrawl this sort of thing on Post-it notes? How does
> it work?

According to what I heard (and please correct me if I am wrong), it 
is not within the perview of the NC to make decisions regarding how 
the chair is elected.  It is up to the BoD.  That seems to be the 
"out" for the NC when it comes to doing anything to assist the GA.

Then they did "not have time" to get to all agenda items, so 
postponed them to the next monthly meeting.

It's a crock.
> 
> > 
> > (http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010208.NCtelecon-agenda.html)
> > Unless this is addressed at the regularly-scheduled Names Council
> > teleconference on February 26, Mr Gaetano's statement appears
> > correct. It should also be noted that the NC has been unable to
> > address all of it's agenda items in the timeframe allocated to these
> > items, and simply placing it on the agenda does not mean that it
> > will be dealt with promptly.
> 
> A reminder usually helps.
> 
> 
> 
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>        Hermes Network, Inc.
> 
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:27:16 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

On 22:26 1/02/01 +0100, [email-masked] said:
>On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 12:40 [=GMT-0700], Greg Burton wrote:
>
>> Given Roberto's desire to end his term as chair, I'd like to call for 
>> nominations. While the change he suggests is desirable imo, it seems 
>> important (at least to me) that the GA have a chair at this time.
>
>I nominate Alexander Svensson of icannchannel.de. I haven't consulted
>him about this. Apologies for that.
>

I second this nomination. I also second Greg Burton (although he has been
nominated for IDNO list chair as well) .
But I would like to see a long list of nominees, so that  we are sure that
one of them will have the time and the will to put his/her shoulders under
the task.

So , without prior consultation, I nominate the following persons:

Barbara Simons (former @large director candidate)
Emerson Tiller (former @large director candidate)
Thomas Roessler (capable organizer of ICANN-EU)
Jonathan Weinberg (ex WG-C Chair)
Michael Froomkin 
Eric Weisberg 
Bret Fausett
Rod Dixon (also IDNO chair nominee)
Jeanette Hoffmann (former @large director candidate)

 
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:37:10 +0100
From: François Collignon <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

Dear all,

I nominate Alexander Svensson of icannchannel.de
francois

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From: "Joop Teernstra" <[email-masked]>
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

> On 22:26 1/02/01 +0100, [email-masked] said:
> >On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 12:40 [=GMT-0700], Greg Burton wrote:
> >
> >> Given Roberto's desire to end his term as chair, I'd like to call for
> >> nominations. While the change he suggests is desirable imo, it seems
> >> important (at least to me) that the GA have a chair at this time.
> >
> >I nominate Alexander Svensson of icannchannel.de. I haven't consulted
> >him about this. Apologies for that.
> >
>
> I second this nomination. I also second Greg Burton (although he has been
> nominated for IDNO list chair as well) .
> But I would like to see a long list of nominees, so that  we are sure that
> one of them will have the time and the will to put his/her shoulders under
> the task.
>
> So , without prior consultation, I nominate the following persons:
>
> Barbara Simons (former @large director candidate)
> Emerson Tiller (former @large director candidate)
> Thomas Roessler (capable organizer of ICANN-EU)
> Jonathan Weinberg (ex WG-C Chair)
> Michael Froomkin
> Eric Weisberg
> Bret Fausett
> Rod Dixon (also IDNO chair nominee)
> Jeanette Hoffmann (former @large director candidate)
>
>
>
> --Joop--
> www.idno.org
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 02:32:44 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

This type of excessive nomination is really inappropriate, not to
mention counter productive.

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 7:27:16 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> On 22:26 1/02/01 +0100, [email-masked] said:
>>On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 12:40 [=GMT-0700], Greg Burton wrote:
>>
>>> Given Roberto's desire to end his term as chair, I'd like to call for 
>>> nominations. While the change he suggests is desirable imo, it seems 
>>> important (at least to me) that the GA have a chair at this time.
>>
>>I nominate Alexander Svensson of icannchannel.de. I haven't consulted
>>him about this. Apologies for that.
>>

> I second this nomination. I also second Greg Burton (although he has been
> nominated for IDNO list chair as well) .
> But I would like to see a long list of nominees, so that  we are sure that
> one of them will have the time and the will to put his/her shoulders under
> the task.

> So , without prior consultation, I nominate the following persons:

> Barbara Simons (former @large director candidate)
> Emerson Tiller (former @large director candidate)
> Thomas Roessler (capable organizer of ICANN-EU)
> Jonathan Weinberg (ex WG-C Chair)
> Michael Froomkin 
> Eric Weisberg 
> Bret Fausett
> Rod Dixon (also IDNO chair nominee)
> Jeanette Hoffmann (former @large director candidate)

 
> --Joop--
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:09:29 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

Marc Schneiders wrote:

>>I nominate Alexander Svensson of icannchannel.de. I haven't
>>consulted him about this. Apologies for that.

As far as I know, he's at the Zurich conference of
icann-studienkreis.net today and tomorrow (as are Jeanette and some
others mentioned here), so don't expect any replies from them.

Joop Teernstra wrote:

> I second this nomination. 

Same here.

> Barbara Simons (former @large director candidate)
> Emerson Tiller (former @large director candidate)
> Thomas Roessler (capable organizer of ICANN-EU)

Thanks, but I'll rather second some other nominations and try to
keep out of the GA's day-to-day business.  Remove me from your list,
please. ;-)

> Jonathan Weinberg (ex WG-C Chair)
> Michael Froomkin 
> Eric Weisberg 
> Bret Fausett
> Rod Dixon (also IDNO chair nominee)
> Jeanette Hoffmann (former @large director candidate)

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 06:10:08 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

WXW and all remaining assembly members,

  It seems that in the past few days a flurry of activity has begun on the
DNSO GA list which has been absent for several months now.  Given
that the current Chair and Co-Chair (Of very questionable legitimacy)
terms have now expired, it IS appropriate for a call for nominations.

  As to whether Joops number of nominations is excessive is in the
eye of the beholder as I know of no nomination policy within the
DNSO GA that forbids multiple nominations.  If one does exist,
please provide a pointer to where it is published or state it exactly,
if you please, WXW.  It is certainly not counter productive at this
juncture however, to call for nominations for obvious reasons.

William X. Walsh wrote:

> This type of excessive nomination is really inappropriate, not to
> mention counter productive.
>
> Thursday, February 01, 2001, 7:27:16 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> > On 22:26 1/02/01 +0100, [email-masked] said:
> >>On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 12:40 [=GMT-0700], Greg Burton wrote:
> >>
> >>> Given Roberto's desire to end his term as chair, I'd like to call for
> >>> nominations. While the change he suggests is desirable imo, it seems
> >>> important (at least to me) that the GA have a chair at this time.
> >>
> >>I nominate Alexander Svensson of icannchannel.de. I haven't consulted
> >>him about this. Apologies for that.
> >>
>
> > I second this nomination. I also second Greg Burton (although he has been
> > nominated for IDNO list chair as well) .
> > But I would like to see a long list of nominees, so that  we are sure that
> > one of them will have the time and the will to put his/her shoulders under
> > the task.
>
> > So , without prior consultation, I nominate the following persons:
>
> > Barbara Simons (former @large director candidate)
> > Emerson Tiller (former @large director candidate)
> > Thomas Roessler (capable organizer of ICANN-EU)
> > Jonathan Weinberg (ex WG-C Chair)
> > Michael Froomkin
> > Eric Weisberg
> > Bret Fausett
> > Rod Dixon (also IDNO chair nominee)
> > Jeanette Hoffmann (former @large director candidate)
>
>
> > --Joop--
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:19:30 +0100 (MET)
From: Mikael Pawlo <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

Dear all,
I nominate Roberto Gaetano for a second period of service. I don't think
anyone would have done a better job than Mr Gaetano under the current
circumstances and I think the GA would benefit from an experienced
chairman who knows how to handle all the obstacles with faked
personalities and such. Also - I think Mr Gaetano has the proper set of
mind to create a more GA with more confidence.

Regards,

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 05:17:58 -0800
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

At 02:32 02/02/2001 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
>This type of excessive nomination is really inappropriate, not to
>mention counter productive.

actually I think mentioning a few names now is a Good Thing.
it loosens up the brain muscles for thinking about persons.

The actual nomination has to be done a little more carefully, however; the
processes from last time (special list & web page) seemed to work 
reasonably well.

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 05:25:10 -0800
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Call for focus.....

folks,
perhaps pointing out the obvious:

- - We have until Feb 11 to offer comment on the DNSO Review report.
- - We have no particular deadline for electing a new GA chair.

I would suggest that we focus on the DNSO Review report now, and prepare
a call for GA chair nominations around Feb 11.

I am really not anxious to keep my alt-chair position any longer than I 
have to, but would want people to focus on the DNSO Review report this week.

WDYT?

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:28:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Thomas Roessler wrote:

> Marc Schneiders wrote:

> > Michael Froomkin 

I am unable to attend most ICANN meetings in person so I would be unable
to serve.  I've only managed one to date.

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:36:32 -0700
From: Greg Burton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

At 08:27 PM 2/1/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>I second this nomination. I also second Greg Burton (although he has been
>nominated for IDNO list chair as well) .

While the IDNO nomination is really irrelevant to the GA, it should be 
noted that I declined that nomination some time ago.

I'm uncertain about how to respond to the nomination for GA chair. 
Flattered, but I didn't call for nominations in order to be nominated. 
Thanks for the confidence, but I'm going to have to think about it a bit.

Regards,
Greg

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:06:33 -0700
From: Greg Burton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Comments on GA section of Review Task Force report

At 12:47 AM 2/2/01, JandL wrote:
> > Obvious oversight? or dereliction? Who (specifically) is/was in charge
> > of keeping track of such things (i.e. Roberto's term expiring and
> > selection process)?   Is this not some sort of secretariat function?
> > or do NCers just scrawl this sort of thing on Post-it notes? How does
> > it work?

Sotiris, my impression is that the NC has had some problems grappling with 
secretariat issues, and funding for staff. Additionally, they still don't 
quite seem to have their intake function in order, though they certainly 
seem to be trying to get better processes there.

>According to what I heard (and please correct me if I am wrong), it
>is not within the perview of the NC to make decisions regarding how
>the chair is elected.

At the present time, the NC elects the GA chair. Any change to that would 
require a change in the ICANN bylaws. It would certainly be possible for 
the NC to pass a resolution saying that their election of the GA chair 
would be a rubber-stamp of  a GA election, but I don't know if they've 
considered that.

>That seems to be the "out" for the NC when it comes to doing anything to 
>assist the GA.

Danny Younger posted this URL on WG-Review, so we know the NC is now aware 
of the issue. http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-intake/Arc00/msg00197.html 
On the other hand, the NC list archives haven't been updated since last 
Saturday, and that URL shows that there has been traffic on the list, so 
it's hard to say exactly what they're discussing.

For what it's worth, my impression is that the NC is more open to new ideas 
now than they may have been previously.

Regards,
Greg

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:51:48 -0500
From: "Jon Weinberg" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

    I appreciate the nomination, but I'm not in a position to serve just
now.  I'd suggest Harald, if he's willing to do the job.

Jon

Jonathan Weinberg
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> [snip]
> So , without prior consultation, I nominate the following persons:
>
> Barbara Simons (former @large director candidate)
> Emerson Tiller (former @large director candidate)
> Thomas Roessler (capable organizer of ICANN-EU)
> Jonathan Weinberg (ex WG-C Chair)
> Michael Froomkin
> Eric Weisberg
> Bret Fausett
> Rod Dixon (also IDNO chair nominee)
> Jeanette Hoffmann (former @large director candidate)

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:07:20 -0500 
From: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] status of the GA

Bret's suggestion resonates with me. Although all of us can participate in
the GA, having someone assigned would result in postings to the Constituency
web sites, so that those who don't attend (in person or on line) can be
informed.

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From: William X. Walsh [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:38 PM
To: Bret A. Fausett
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] status of the GA

Hello Bret,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 4:20:28 PM, Bret A. Fausett wrote:

> Here's what I would like to see for the new year:

> - The General Assembly should focus on becoming more representative in the
> views it encompasses. I would like to see each constituency appoint one or
> more "delegates" to the General Assembly. These delegates would be
> responsible for following and participating in GA discussions and making

What discussions?

I think that these discussions should center more on fixing the major
problem faced by this assembly, as well as the constituencies
themselves, apathy.

Apathy is what stands in the way of diversity and participation, and
leads to the lack of discussion and substantive growth by this
assembly.

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:07:32 -0600
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fw: Energy and Commerce Weekly Schedule

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Please note that this schedule is subject to change.  For the latest
information, please visit
http://www.house.gov/commerc/schedule.htm

Wednesday, February 7, 2001

2:00 p.m.in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building
The Committee on Energy and Commerce at  Office Building to formally
organize for the 107th Congress. The meeting will be open to the public.

Our agenda will be as follows:

Adoption of the Committee Rules;

Adoption of Subcommittee jurisdictions;

Adoption of Subcommittee ratios;

Appointment of Subcommittee Chairmen and Vice Chairmen;

Selection of a Vice Chairman of the Full Committee;

Appointment of Republican Members to Subcommittees; and,

Appointment of Democratic Members to Subcommittees (if possible).

Thursday, February 8, 2001

10:00 am in 2123 of the Rayburn House Office Building
The House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Telecommunications has
scheduled a hearing for , at  . The hearing, entitled "Is ICANN's New
Generation of Internet Domain Name Selection Process Thwarting Competition?"
will focus on ICANN's recently announced selections of registry operators
for new top level domains.

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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 00:08:16 +0000
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for GA Chair Nominations

Seconded.
I also want to nominate Harald for a second turn as co-Chair.

Eventually I would be very glad if in a way or another Elisabeth
Porteneuve (now on the NC) could continue providing help to
Roberto and Harald and all of us in supervising the Secretariat.
This team has actually participated in making an unity of the GA
with very few things. We can now build on top.

Jefsey

On 13:19 02/02/01, Mikael Pawlo said:

>Dear all,
>I nominate Roberto Gaetano for a second period of service. I don't think
>anyone would have done a better job than Mr Gaetano under the current
>circumstances and I think the GA would benefit from an experienced
>chairman who knows how to handle all the obstacles with faked
>personalities and such. Also - I think Mr Gaetano has the proper set of
>mind to create a more GA with more confidence.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mikael Pawlo
>
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 00:21:01 +0000
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [icann-eu] Agenda for ALM meeting in Melbourne

Jeannette, Hans and als.

IMHO consensus is quite difficult to reach with stakeholders
being involved as at àlarg: each party legitimately defends its
interests.

We must no confuse - as the ICANN does - consensus which
is actually discovering that actually most of us thought the same
thing on a gven topic, and qualified majority which means that
we agree to say the same thing.  In the first case 15 people
may be a good sample of experts to uncover a consensus,
in the second case polling millions of stakeholders is necessary.

I feel that we have first to determine what will be accepted rules
of the @large net-democracy.

I certainly share with you about @large/ccTLDs. Did you look
at the franceàlarge document on the study at http://icann-fra.org ?

Jefsey

On 15:48 02/02/01, [email-masked] said:
>On 2 Feb 2001, at 15:51, Hans Klein wrote:
>
>Hi Hans (who is, funny enough, sitting right opposite of me)
>
> >
> > These are good issues for a meeting in Melbourne.  They are also good
> > topics for the ALM study.
> >
> > We might be able to use the At Large Study process as a framework for our
> > work.  We could write something on the following topics:
> >
> > 1. Decision Mechanisms
> > Does consensus work for the At Large, or do we need elections?
>
>Consensus procedures is one o the topics to be discussed on the
>panel about the At Large Membership at the ICANN Studienkreis
>meeting tomorrow morning.
>
>I could give in Melbourne a presentation of my presentation in
>Zürich plus the controversial comments I will surely get.
>Does that make sense?
>
>jeanette
>
>That is an
> > important question for the At Large.  We could summarize the issues in a
> > report.
> >       Frankly, it might be interesting to try an experiment 
> somewhere.  Maybe
> > different regions could try different mechanisms in some future election.
> >
> > 2. Editorial Board
> > A group could initiate a discussion with the ICANN staff about control of
> > the mailing list.  A brief memo summarizing the issues would be 
> interesting.
> >
> > 3. Funding
> > I am not (yet) optimistic about funding.  But I do have some ideas here:
> > --> maybe ccTLD registries could fund member participation.
> >       Korea has done this, apparently with some success.  As I 
> understand it,
> > KR-NIC needed an active Local Internet Community to head off any attempt of
> > government control.  KR-NIC had a strong incentive to organize users and to
> > subisidize their travel to meetings.  The same conditions might hold in
> > other countries.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone want to get involved?  I am interested in the third topic
> > above, the ALM-LIC-ccTLD relationship.  I would be willing to work with
> > others to prepare something here.
> >
> > Anyone else interested in topics?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Hans
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:44 PM 2/1/01 +1300, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >
> > >At 17:12 31/01/01 -0500, Hans Klein wrote:
> > >>
> > >>The next ICANN meeting is in Melbourne, March 10-13
> > >>  see: http://www.icann.org/melbourne
> > >>
> > >>The Interim Coordinating Committee (ICC) formed in Los Angeles is 
> currently
> > >>working to obtain official ICANN meeting space for an At Large Meeting
> > (ALM).
> > >>
> > >>Right now, subscribers to this list might consider what issues are
> > >>appropriate for an ALM meeting.  We might discuss a possible agenda.
> > >>
> > >>I believe the following items should be on the agenda:
> > >>
> > >>Report from At Large Directors
> > >>==============================
> > >>Newly elected directors can give a brief account of their work to date on
> > >>behalf of the ALM.
> > >>
> > >Yes.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Relationship with Appointed At Large Directors
> > >>==============================================
> > >>Four of the nine AL director seats are occupied by appointees.  Some 
> groups
> > >>have called these individuals "board squatters" and others have noted 
> that
> > >>they are accomplished individuals who contribute a lot to ICANN.  These
> > >>four directors could each give a brief talk about how they understand 
> their
> > >>role on the Board.
> > >>
> > >Yes.
> > >>
> > >>At Large Study
> > >>==============
> > >>The At Large Study has a new director and a new charter.  See:
> > >>   http://www.icann.org/announcements/icann-pr26jan01.htm
> > >>   http://www.icann.org/committees/at-large-study/charter-22jan01.htm
> > >>We could invite the study chair, Carl Bildt, to speak to us.
> > >>
> > >Yes.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Definition of Consensus Procedures
> > >>==================================
> > >>The ALM needs to define consensus procedures, i.e. a set of well-defined
> > >>steps to demonstrate the presence or absence of consensus among ALM on
> > >>issues.  I would like to have Louis Touton or David Johnson speak to us
> > >>about this.  Eventually the ALM will need a working group on this.
> > >>
> > >
> > >This is a tricky one.  Consensus is fine in small groups, where voting
> > >would be unnecessarily polarizing, but among the 100.000 plus @large
> > >members, I feel that the only acceptable way to determine the will of the
> > >members is voting.
> > >Instead of listening to L.Touton it would be better to split up in Working
> > >Groups dedicated to  defining the necessary procedures that would 
> safeguard
> > >an unbiased way of polling the membership. (starting with electing a
> > >Polling Committee and defining its duties)
> > >
> > >>The Members Announcement List
> > >>=============================
> > >>We should discuss the possible formulation of a proposal to create an
> > >>editorial board for the members-announce list currently controlled by 
> ICANN
> > >>staff.  There should be some means by which members can reach each other
> > >>using this list.  This would preserve member privacy while allowing for
> > >>communication.
> > >>
> > >Yes. This editorial Board should also be elected.
> > >
> > >>###
> > >>
> > >>Does this agenda look appropriate?
> > >>Should items be added, changed, deleted?
> > >>
> > >
> > >I would like to add the point of securing travel subsidies to @large
> > >members to be able to attend physical meetings.
> > >An appeal to the Markle Foundation perhaps.
> > >Without broader support, we run the risk that the physical @large will be
> > >mostly those who fall under the Salzburg Seminar subsidies (NCDNHC-members
> > >only).
> > >
> > >
> > >--Joop--
> > >www.idno.org
> > >

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