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GA-DIGEST          Thursday, November 9 2000          Volume 01 : Number 184

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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 08:10:46 +0100
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors

At 11:53 07/11/2000 +0100, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>   -  to refuse the currently proposed voting rules until the (d) 
> paragraph concerning
>      the GA is modified and says that the GA elects its Chair and its 
> DNSO and
>      NC representatives.

Jefsey,
please read.
The currently proposed voting rules do not DEFINE paragraph (d), they QUOTE 
them. Saying yes or no on this ballot has no effect on the existence of 
paragraph (d).

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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:24:58 +0100
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors

Sandy,

At 14:34 06/11/2000 -0500, Sandy Harris wrote:
>How is this?
>
>I move that the GA make two recommendations:
>
>1) The newly elected board members should take their seats
>         before the general meeting, not after.

I believe that the list has shown strong support for this.

As Roberto is probably incommunicando at the moment, I will send a note to 
the Board in my role as GA Alternate Chair saying that this opinion appears 
to be the consensus of the GA mailing list, but that time did not allow us 
to take a vote of the GA.
It is rather obvious that voting (which incurs at least 1 week of delay) 
would make the voicing of this opinion meaningless.

>2) All non-elected members whose terms have been extended beyond
>         their original time should immediately resign.

This issue will not age as quickly. I believe we should take a vote on the 
issue, after having discussed it in LA.
I have added this issue to my copy of the GA agenda, and will present it as 
a proposed amendment to the published agenda in Los Angeles, taking 10 
minutes away from the discussion of the DNSO Review.

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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:40:33 +0100
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to change seating rule

The Domain Name Supporting Organization General Assembly mailing list has 
discussed adopting resolutions dealing with the composition of the ICANN board.

The mailing list has rough consensus on the resolutions that in its opinion:

1) The newly elected board members should take their seats
	before the general meeting, not after.

2) All non-elected members whose terms have been extended beyond
	their original time should immediately resign.

The DNSO General Assembly wishes to take a vote on item 2) as soon as 
possible, so that it can be stated as a voted resolution of the General 
Assembly, but since the time left until the ICANN general meeting is less 
than that required for a GA vote, the Alternate Chair has taken it upon 
himself to make the Board aware of this consensus position on item 1) 
before the general meeting of ICANN next week.

Speaking for the General Assembly of the Domain Name Supporting Organization

              Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Alternate Chair
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:38:23 -0800
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] the IDNO

Hello Joop,

Wednesday, November 08, 2000, 2:14:25 PM, you wrote:

>>Only you can tell us this, since you are the only one with access to
>>the membership list, and for all we know, half of those people are
>>made up.
>>
> The Charter provides for an elected membership comittee to address
> membership issues. The election process has started. 
> I'll ignore the slur on my integrity.
> Please confine yourself here to what is relevant for the GA. 
\
When you use the membership numbers to support your effort to get the
GA behind the IDNO effort, the questions about your integrity and the
integrity of your claims are very relevant for the GA.

You have misused your position as sole controller of the IDNO (by your
own admission) when it suited your ends in the past, and nothing is
evidenced to show that anything has changed since then.

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:33:27 -0800
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] What is ICANN?

On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 10:43:44AM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
>  
> > 2) we have a perfectly adequate procedure for selecting a chair.
> > moreover, if one examines the endorsements for board candidates, one
> > notes a disturbing pattern of *large* numbers of people who have never
> > participated in the DNSO in any way suddenly turning up to endorse
> > candidates (for example, Jamie Love had well over 100 endorsements,
> > most of who had never in any aspect of ICANN previously).   While this
> > might be satisfying to supporters of Jamie Love, it illustrates
> > perfectly that an election by the GA is terribly susceptible to
> > capture.
> 
> We have thousands of people in the U.S. going to the polls today that have
> never actively participated in the U.S. government previously.
> 
> It's called democracy Kent(well strictly speaking we operate in a
> republic.)
> 
> Get used to it.

However, ICANN is not, and cannot be, a democracy.  You might as well
get used to that.

Instead, ICANN is a small non-profit CORPORATION.  It renders certain
Internet services on a cost-recovery basis (but still FOR MONEY), to
certain entities.  You could think of it as similar to one of the
Internet Exchange companies.  (It is a non-profit to ameliorate concerns
about anti-trust).  The entities to which ICANN markets its services are
not "the people" -- the entities are other corporations, standards
bodies, and so on.  The services in question are coordination of certain
activities, acting as a central clearing house for number assignments
and name assignments, management of the root zone (a glop of information
shared among many of the the corporations for which ICANN provides
service), managing a process by which names can be added to the root
zone, etc. 

This coordination is a valuable service to these entities -- without it
they certainly face heavy government regulation. (Of course, they may 
face such regulation anyway, but ICANN at least gives the hope of industry 
self-regulation.)

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:48:39 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors

Suzan,
I would suggest you to prepare a letter to the Directors, documenting
Harald's mail, that we could co-sign.
Jefsey

At 21:24 08/11/00, you wrote:
>Sandy,
>
>At 14:34 06/11/2000 -0500, Sandy Harris wrote:
>>How is this?
>>
>>I move that the GA make two recommendations:
>>
>>1) The newly elected board members should take their seats
>>         before the general meeting, not after.
>
>I believe that the list has shown strong support for this.
>
>As Roberto is probably incommunicando at the moment, I will send a note to 
>the Board in my role as GA Alternate Chair saying that this opinion 
>appears to be the consensus of the GA mailing list, but that time did not 
>allow us to take a vote of the GA.
>It is rather obvious that voting (which incurs at least 1 week of delay) 
>would make the voicing of this opinion meaningless.
>
>>2) All non-elected members whose terms have been extended beyond
>>         their original time should immediately resign.
>
>This issue will not age as quickly. I believe we should take a vote on the 
>issue, after having discussed it in LA.
>I have added this issue to my copy of the GA agenda, and will present it 
>as a proposed amendment to the published agenda in Los Angeles, taking 10 
>minutes away from the discussion of the DNSO Review.
>
>OK?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:02:55 -0800 
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] What is ICANN?

Good show Kent!

I've been trying to get one of you folks on the record for a while now. BTW,
I hope that it strikes many as odd, that this is NOT what was discussed in
the green-paper, the white-paper, or the IFWP. However, this isn't very far
from what the IAHC tried to do.

You must be feeling real confident, to come out in the open like this. Isn't
it nice to to have to be a double-dealer anymore? I hope that you get
everything that you want.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Crispin [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:33 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [ga] What is ICANN?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 10:43:44AM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> >  
> > > 2) we have a perfectly adequate procedure for selecting a chair.
> > > moreover, if one examines the endorsements for board 
> candidates, one
> > > notes a disturbing pattern of *large* numbers of people 
> who have never
> > > participated in the DNSO in any way suddenly turning up to endorse
> > > candidates (for example, Jamie Love had well over 100 
> endorsements,
> > > most of who had never in any aspect of ICANN previously). 
>   While this
> > > might be satisfying to supporters of Jamie Love, it illustrates
> > > perfectly that an election by the GA is terribly susceptible to
> > > capture.
> > 
> > We have thousands of people in the U.S. going to the polls 
> today that have
> > never actively participated in the U.S. government previously.
> > 
> > It's called democracy Kent(well strictly speaking we operate in a
> > republic.)
> > 
> > Get used to it.
> 
> However, ICANN is not, and cannot be, a democracy.  You might as well
> get used to that.
> 
> Instead, ICANN is a small non-profit CORPORATION.  It renders certain
> Internet services on a cost-recovery basis (but still FOR MONEY), to
> certain entities.  You could think of it as similar to one of the
> Internet Exchange companies.  (It is a non-profit to 
> ameliorate concerns
> about anti-trust).  The entities to which ICANN markets its 
> services are
> not "the people" -- the entities are other corporations, standards
> bodies, and so on.  The services in question are coordination 
> of certain
> activities, acting as a central clearing house for number assignments
> and name assignments, management of the root zone (a glop of 
> information
> shared among many of the the corporations for which ICANN provides
> service), managing a process by which names can be added to the root
> zone, etc. 
> 
> This coordination is a valuable service to these entities -- 
> without it
> they certainly face heavy government regulation. (Of course, they may 
> face such regulation anyway, but ICANN at least gives the 
> hope of industry 
> self-regulation.)
> 
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:26:30 +0100
From: "Alf Hansen" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors

Harald,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Harald
> Alvestrand
> Sent: 8. november 2000 21:25
> To: Sandy Harris; [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors
>
>
> Sandy,
>
> At 14:34 06/11/2000 -0500, Sandy Harris wrote:
> >How is this?
> >
> >I move that the GA make two recommendations:
> >
> >1) The newly elected board members should take their seats
> >         before the general meeting, not after.
>
> I believe that the list has shown strong support for this.
>

My opinion: The question is not if the elected board members should be
locked out from a spesific meeting, but it has to do with the term for the
election. In my opinion it has been well published all the time that the At
Large directors starts their term AFTER the LA meeting.

Even if I think the new directors should enter the scene asap., I think it
is unfair to discuss changes in the term NOW. The DNSO should have taken
this up a long time ago if we wanted a change.

Best regards
Alf H

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:51:59 +0100
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: GA/At Large item (Re: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors)

At 07:52 07/11/2000 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote:
>There are three issues of potential substance (Multilingual testbed, new
>tlds, dnso review), one issue too vague to be discussed (GA/AtLarge),
>and two issues that are basically ratholes:

I think the GA/At Large is a 5 minute item, and reasonably clear:

- - the GA and the At Large are different in target:
   - the GA recommends things to the Names Council
   - the At Large elects directors to the ICANN board
- - the GA and the At Large are organized differently
   - the GA has a chair, a few rules, and a discussion mailing list
   - the At Large has a registration mechanism and a voting mechanism
- - any person who wants to can be a member of either, or both

This is more or less "for orientation" - we can't change the relationship,
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:18:04 +0000
From: Dave Crocker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors

At 11:45 AM 11/7/00 -0500, Sandy Harris wrote:
>When the issue does come up, I'd like to ensure that the above two points
>are mentioned as consensus recommendations from the DNSO GA.

I am opposed to both recommendations.  they are thoroughly unproductive.

d/

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 08:05:45 +0000
From: Dave Crocker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Things the At Large Members may ask for at MDR

At 02:32 AM 11/8/00 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>Please find attached a possible list of At Large Member demands
>towards ICANN prepared by Jeanette Hofmann and myself.

what is the basis for claiming that your list represents the needs or 
demands of the at-large members?

d/

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:30:10 -0800
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to change seating rule

On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:40:33PM +0100, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> The Domain Name Supporting Organization General Assembly mailing list has 
> discussed adopting resolutions dealing with the composition of the ICANN board.
> 
> The mailing list has rough consensus on the resolutions that in its opinion:

[...]

I think this is a wildly irresponsible statement.  At the very least you
owe people the courtesy of *asking* if there is a consensus, before
announcing it.

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:02:58 +0100
From: Robin Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors

> Or could it be that those, like me, who have lurked on the GA finally
> had a reason to speak out for individuals?  There was finally an
> individual running who was on the side of of the GA membership
> rather than a puppet.  If "capture" means that the public raises its
> voice and chooses a representative, then "capture" is what we
> need.

<delurk>
 
I agree, 100%. 
 
> You seem to think that not participating in some of the ridiculous
> arguments on this list means non-caring or non-involvement.  What
> I have seen is the issues bringing out more and more people who do
> care and who have thus far been uninformed.  It's amazing what a
> little information to the public can do, isn't it?

Its also amazing how being squashed by a government-initiated non-profit
corporation also just might lead somebody not to trust them very much. (I am
one of those people) Its amazing how after being squashed, that you get angry
and want your say in what happens in your own life, and in organisations that
control a great deal of what might happen in your own life. I am one of those
people that rarely participate in the ridiculous arguments on this list. But I
am here. I care. I used to be uninformed, but that is changing now that I am
paying attention. :)
  
> > --
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> > [email-masked]                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain

Mr. Crispin needs to check his quote. To do and to be are not synonyms. In
Twain's own handwriting: http://www.twainquotes.com/Lonesome.html

This is the 'Do good' Twain quote : "Do good when you can, and charge when you
think they will stand it."  Somehow its more appropriate, from his assertations
about ICANN's purpose.

</delurk>

all the best, Robin
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:49:02 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Things the At Large Members may ask for at MDR

On 2000-11-09 08:05:45 +0000, Dave Crocker wrote:

> what is the basis for claiming that your list represents the
> needs or demands of the at-large members?

As you may have noticed, the subject of this message contains the
word "may", and the original announcement contained the word
"possible".  We don't claim representativity (nor do we claim
completeness).

The list will be presented as a proposal for (as we think)
reasonable demands at Sunday's At Large Members Forum
<http://www.icannmembers.org/>, where it can be discussed, and may
or may not gather support from the members present there.

As you most likely have noted, the basic idea for several of the
demands is to (1) introduce more checks and balances for the work of
the board (however, this should not happen in a way which makes the
board inoperational), and (2) handle elected At Large, non-elected
At Large, and SO directors in a more symmetrical way.

Current asymmetries include:

- - filling of vacancies
- - actual end of terms (the end of a term is a hard limit for the
  elected directors only, making the board fail-safe in a very
  interesting way)

Also, as you most likely have noted, we are assuming the existence
of some kind of an At Large Council at several points, which
obviously can't be implemented right now.  We do believe that such a
council will evolve at some point of time, and give an account of
some of the powers it should get.

The second page of demands is more short-term, and I do not believe
there is much need for interpretation there.

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:19:40 -0000
From: "Erica Roberts" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Extension of Interim Directors

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accountable for their management.  If they are dismissed before an AGM, =
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erica

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:56:07 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Things the At Large Members may ask for at MDR

On 2000-11-09 10:49:02 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote:

> On 2000-11-09 08:05:45 +0000, Dave Crocker wrote:

> > what is the basis for claiming that your list represents the
> > needs or demands of the at-large members?

> As you may have noticed, the subject of this message contains the
> word "may", and the original announcement contained the word
> "possible".  We don't claim representativity (nor do we claim
> completeness).

*snip*

I should possibly emphasize again that input, comments, and
criticism on individual points is highly welcome.

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:15:04 -0500 
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to change seating rule

Making a general statement that there is rough consensus without backing it
up with some objective, measurable data makes the process unreasonably
subjective.

What is the definition of rough consensus?  What measurable evidence is
there that rough consensus was reached?  From what sample of the overall
population did the data come?  Does that sample effectively represent the
total population?  What efforts were made to involve underrepresented or
uninvolved members of the population?

Questions such as these need to be answered before any level of consensus
could be concluded.  Ideally, a detailed process including documentation,
required measurements, etc. should be agreed to before efforts are made to
come to consensus positions.  Otherwise, it becomes to easy to subjectively
reach whatever conclusion the active participants wish.

Chuck Gomes

- -----Original Message-----
From: Harald Alvestrand [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:41 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to change seating rule

The Domain Name Supporting Organization General Assembly mailing list has 
discussed adopting resolutions dealing with the composition of the ICANN
board.

The mailing list has rough consensus on the resolutions that in its opinion:

1) The newly elected board members should take their seats
	before the general meeting, not after.

2) All non-elected members whose terms have been extended beyond
	their original time should immediately resign.

The DNSO General Assembly wishes to take a vote on item 2) as soon as 
possible, so that it can be stated as a voted resolution of the General 
Assembly, but since the time left until the ICANN general meeting is less 
than that required for a GA vote, the Alternate Chair has taken it upon 
himself to make the Board aware of this consensus position on item 1) 
before the general meeting of ICANN next week.

Speaking for the General Assembly of the Domain Name Supporting Organization

              Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Alternate Chair
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:23:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan Weinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Extension of Interim Directors

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Erica Roberts wrote:
> IMHO any move to seat new Directors before the AGM would seriously
> impact on the power of the members to hold the previous Directors
> accountable for their management.  If they are dismissed before an
> AGM, they are relieved of the necessity to account to the AGM and the
> AGM starts to look a bit pointless.

Erica --

	I'm confused by this argument.  The AGM, as I see it, is not
primarily a retrospective exercise, in which the members look back on the
past and evaluate the performance of the directors so far.  Rather, it is
a prospective one, in which the directors meet to make decisions and rules
that will govern the future.  The sense of the messages posted to the list
on this topic was that those decisions should be made, at the upcoming
meeting, by the directors who the at-large membership and the SOs have
actually chosen.

Jon

Jonathan Weinberg
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:32:25 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Extension of the Interim Board Directors

well kent,

That's what, only two now? against.
Looks like a concessus ("for" recommendation) to me.
If you go by the postings to this list.

As far as the recommendations being unproductive, that 
seems to be only because it conflicts with "your own views" on; 

[What, (decisions or Policies of ICANN or DNSO should or should not
and what maybe, ) "Will be" controlled, by the membership and a 
democratic process.
Time will tell.
For the record, I am for the recommendations.

Forrester 

In a message dated 11/9/00 1:08:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> 
> At 11:45 AM 11/7/00 -0500, Sandy Harris wrote:
> >When the issue does come up, I'd like to ensure that the above two points
> >are mentioned as consensus recommendations from the DNSO GA.
> 
> 
> I am opposed to both recommendations.  they are thoroughly unproductive.
> 
> d/
> 
> 
> =-=-=-=-=
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> Brandenburg Consulting  <www.brandenburg.com>
> Tel: +1.408.246.8253,  Fax: +1.408.273.6464
> 
> 

Forrester D Rupp
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:59:44 -0500
From: "Ben Edelman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] FW: UPDATE: ICANN-LA Remote Participation Details

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben Edelman [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:31 PM
To: ICANN-LA Remote Participation Preregistrants
Subject: UPDATE: ICANN-LA Remote Participation Details

Greetings!

You are receiving this message because you preregistered to attend ICANN's
upcoming public meetings in Los Angeles, California (November 13-16) via
webcast.

To better plan which sessions to join via webcast, you may find it helpful
to review the schedule ICANN has posted at
<http://www.icann.org/mdr2000/#schedule>.  The schedule clearly designates
sessions to be webcast; you'll find that major plenary sessions will be
webcast, including the DNSO's meetings on November 14, the ICANN Public
Forum on November 15, and the ICANN Board of Directors Meeting on November
16.

To join the webcast each day, go to
<http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000>.  During and just before
webcasts, a prominent link on this page will allow you to enter the remote
participation area.  Please be sure to join us online at the proper time,
being aware of time zone differences.  For example, ICANN's Public Forum
begins at 8:30AM local time on November 15 -- which is, for example, 4:30PM
in UTC and at 11:30AM in US Eastern time.
<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=11&year=2
000&hour=8&min=30&sec=0&p1=137> converts the time at the start of this
session to local times in other time zones.  Similarly, ICANN's Board of
Directors meeting, beginning at 9:00AM local time on November 16, begins at
5PM UTC and noon US Eastern.

In preparation for the meetings, you may want to review the meeting agenda,
as posted at <http://www.icann.org/mdr2000/#agenda>.  From that page, you'll
also find public comment spaces on major agenda items.

We intend to make available complete archives at the conclusion of each day;
go to <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000> to access such archives,
to join the webcast, and to preregister others to attend remotely.

Access to the remote participation system requires a 28.8kbps or faster
modem, with best access over 56k or faster connections.  Access to the live
audio and video feeds requires the RealPlayer, version 5.0 or later (G2 or
later strongly recommended), available for free from
<http://www.real.com/products/player>.  Finally, access to the live chat and
dynamically-updated scribe's notes areas requires a JAVA-capable browser (IE
or Netscape version 3 or later) or a dedicated IRC client.

Finally, if you're not already subscribed to ICANN's announcements list, you
may find it helpful to join in order to receive important future
announcements from ICANN.  See
<http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcements.htm> for instructions.

We look forward to seeing you online during the meetings!

Ben Edelman
Berkman Center for Internet and Society
Harvard Law School

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