Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #167
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GA-DIGEST           Friday, October 13 2000           Volume 01 : Number 167

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:26:57 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re[2]: [idno] Elections for EXCOM, MC, PC

Hello Chris,

Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 2:51:08 PM, you wrote:
> My personal views are that the ExCom election could go ahead as planned,
> because I do not favour sudden out-of-the-blue modifications to processes,
> such as "[lack of] enough candidates". OTOH the difficulties are A) so far
> very few acceptances have been posted B) there are less candidates than
> seats available for the other two committees. As things stand the few fully
> constitutionally correct candidates will be elected by default and there
> will be no buffers. Once the election has been taken there are no
> constitutional provisions for new elections for a year. To have a very small
> mandated group in my own view is a very unhealthy situation. I am in favour
> of delaying the elections to try to obtain more participatory candidates,
> and I am persuaded that the ICANN situation (and the NC elections) have
> diverted energy and time away from the internal issues here.

I don't think so. I really think that the lack of candidates and
acceptances is a statement about the lack of interest in the IDNO, and
the lack of support the IDNO has amongst even those it claims as
members.  Only one nomination for a list chair, who was supported by 3
people, led to an automatic appointment.  Existing eligible
nominations for the committees mandated by the excessive and overly
bureaucratic IDNO charter do not even fill 1/3 of those positions, and
many of those are people unknown to the process, who will, if history
bears out, be non-active mostly silent participants.

Filling out a form for a free membership, even joining a mailing list,
are simple things to do, and people who are only marginally interested
in the issues will do even that.

Plus, the way the last elected Steering Committee was treated when it
did nothing but act in a way that a non-steering committe member who
happened to be the founder and the controller of the website, polling
booth, and membership lists, did not agree with (which led to his
sabotage of their efforts, intentional delaying of their efforts to
make them a lame duck SC, etc), has had a serious impact on some
people's willingness to participate and volunteer in this effort.

The fact is that the IDNO as it stands does not have enough people
willing to actively support and work within it to meet even its most
minimal needs, and that alone illustrates that the entire concept of
the IDNO and its structure and management needs to be examined,
revamped, and totally changed.

I've CC'd this to the GA list and the domain policy lists, because the
issues of the IDNO and its history and lack of participation and its
inability to be representative of the people it wants to claim to be a
constituency of have been widely discussed there and this should
provide some broaded insights into these issues.

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:28:48 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: ICANN Outreach (Note APNIC Component)

>INTERNET GLOBAL OUTREACH COMES TO NZ
>
>The first Pacific Region Internet global outreach is being held at
>UNITEC in Auckland  from November 7-9 hosted by the Internet
>Society of New Zealand (ISOCNZ). Representatives of Pacific
>Basin countries will join with New Zealander's to learn more about
>the functions of the Internet Corporation of Assigned Names and
>Numbers (ICANN),

Don't waste your time attending. It can all be summed up in one easy
(though lengthy) sentence: Pretend to be a "bottom-up" organisation, while
installing directors chosen by IBM/MCI - who make huge policy decisions
even though they were only supposed to be on the board until properly
elected members took their place - installing a UDRP incredibly slanted
towards corporates, so they can regain control over a global phenomenon
that they had earlier missed the boat on, all the while pretending to be a
"technical co-ordination body".

>the Asia Pacific Top Level Domain Company
>and the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre.
>
>The meeting is supported by UNITEC's NZ Centre for Innovation
>and Entrepreneurship (NZCIE)

Huh? ICANN's got the complete opposite agenda.

>and the Internet Users Society of
>Niue,

A branch of ISOC ?

> and has the backing of the United Nations Development
>Programme,

Buddies of SWIPO, who now can take domain names away from people, and award
the to their pals, ignoring important things like free speech and
constitutional rights in the process.

>the South Pacific Commission, and regional
>telecommunications enterprises.
>
>The meetings are open to the public and are part of the Internet
>Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) global
>outreach process

Ha ha ha ha ha.

> to educate

Educate: "This is what we've decided to do, ignoring everything that
everyone has pleaded with us to consider".

>and involve the world's citizens in the
>new organiation's work.

There is no realistic involvement available to Joe Blow Internet User.
Don't give us that crap about "world citizens". We know who pulls the
strings at ICANN and they don't give a rat's arse about world citizens,
apart from making sure they can extract a pound or two of flesh from them.

>ICANN is the central coordinating body on
>global Internet governance.

That's what they've successfully turned themselves into, to the glee of
corporations who want to be above sovereign controls. They are SUPPOSED to
just be a "technical co-ordination body". That's what it says on their
website.

>
>Two of ICANN's constituent organizations will be at the November 7-
>9 meeting:  the Asia Pacific Top Level Domain Company (APTLD)
>and the Asia  Pacific Network Information Center (APNIC).
>
>APTLD is the regional grouping of County Code Top Level Domains
>(ccTLD's),  for example, dot Korea, dot Japan, dot China, and is a
>subset of the global ccTLD  constituency of all country codes at
>ICANN.  The Asia Pacific Network  Information Center (APNIC) is
>one of three regional NIC's in the world and  is responsible for
>allocating Internet Protocol (IP) addresses to Registries.
>
>Some of the issues that will be discussed:
>
>· The structure of ICANN and its policy development process
>
>· Multilingual Domain Names  -  non-Latin character sets may be
>used for Domain Names so  that, for example, Chinese ideograms
>or Japanese Kanji can be used instead  of the Latinised versions.

Let me guess... there will be a buffoon or two present? And speaking with
apparent knowledge and authority?

>· "Best Practice Models" for harmonising practices across the 240
>national ccTLD managers.

Jesus. This is crap. We don't need to harmonise practices across ccTLD's.
ccTLD practices should reflect the wishes of the citizens of the respective
countries. This is all buffoon-speak for letting ICANN get total control of
ccTLD operations. You can take your "best practice models" and stick 'em
where the sun don't shine. Next thing we'll know, the "best practice model"
finally decided upon will a cross between the incredibly anal Australian
and Singaporean models, with a few extra buffoonerisms tossed in for good
measure, along with the requirement to submit to the severely broken WIPO
designed UDRP.

>
>· "At Large" Membership for ICANN

Seemingly useful, to elect some independent voices to the ICANN Board, but
as we saw in Yokohama, the board has already changed the rules - reducing
the number of At Large directors, and making it possible for the other
Directors to remove them if things don't go the way the ICANN controllers
want them to.

>· What is a NIC and what does it do?

It does what it's supposed to do just fine right now, and doesn't need
ICANN or any of it's cronies sticking their noses in and changing things.

>Sue Leader - Executive Director
>ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc)

Who seems very keen to fly the ICANN flag. Must have caught something off
Jimmy and Patrick. I wonder if ISOCNZ members realise just what the ICANN
future holds for the Internet?

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Andrew P. Gardner
barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
Get active: http://www.domain-owners.org http://www.tldlobby.com
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