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GA-DIGEST           Friday, March 28 2003           Volume 01 : Number 1650

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:19:42 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ITU-T Workshops on E-Health, E-Government, and Next Gene ration Ne tworks

Richard and all former DNSO GA members,

[email-masked] wrote:

> Please see below.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 5:00
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Cc: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [ga] ITU-T Workshops on E-Health, E-Government, and Next
> > Generation Ne tworks
> >
> >
> > Richard and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,
> >
> > [email-masked] wrote:
> >
> > > The ITU-T is organizing three open workshops on,
> > respectively, E-Health,
> > > E-Government, and Next Generation Networks.  A brief
> > description is provided
> > > below, together with the URLs pointing to full information.
> > For instance is there another ITU "Fee" associated with attending
> > this workshop meeting?
>
> No, there are no fees. The workshops are open to all, free of charge.

  Amazing!  Well that's great!  >:)

>
>
> >  I also noticed that the registration form
> > requires that those planing on attending give out personal information
> > to include where said attendees will be staying as to hotel
> > if attending
> > this workshop meeting.
>
> The information is optional, you can leave fields blank.

  Ok thank you for this info.  You should update the registration
link to reflect that.  But I will pass it along to some of our members
that might be interested.

>
>
> > In a post 9/11 world, some companies,
> > such as my own for instance, do not allow for such information
> > to be provided for obvious security/personal safety reasons.
>
> In any case, we don't publish the information.

  Ok good.  However there doesn't seem to be any security
on that information as it is not a secure registration web form.
So, not publishing that information is not good enough in a
post 9/11 world...

>
>
> Best,
> Richard
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:23:48 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

Roberto, Rodrigo and all former DNSO GA members,

  Good rehashed points here Rodrigo and Roberto.  We have
hashed these issues before several times.  What amazes me
really is that we need to again hash them.  Nothing new here
guys...

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
>
> >
> >Excuse me, but I find it nearsighted to state that the reason for the
> >current interes in ccTLDs is simply due to the shortage of gTLDs. There are
> >marketing reasons which may compel a service provider to seek a ccTLD
> >rather
> >than a gTLD, which go beyond the inavailability of one of the latter.
> >
> >"Mock-up gTLDs", such as .tv are another story.
> >
>
> You are absolutely right, I expressed myself incorrectly.
> I did not want to imply that the interest on ccTLDs is due to the lack of
> gTLDs, but that what IMHO is a misuse of the ccTLDs (what you call "Mock-up
> gTLDs") has been incentivated by the lack of gTLDs.
>
> Referring to a later post of you, about not having any need for gTLDs, you
> might be correct, but I would prefer a world where you have both and the
> customer choose. This will solve also the problems of the
> people/organizations that don't want to be labelled as belonging to a
> country.
>
> Best regards
> Roberto
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:05:15 -0600
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Area Code 214

Jeffrey A. Williams
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America has now been **liberated** from the I* society.
As the InterNAT takes shape, Area Codes will play an important role.
It appears that Area Code 214 is in the Dallas area.

PUCT - Telecommunications - Texas Area Codes - Dallas Map - Area ... 
... Dallas area code 214 split in 1996, when area code 972 was added. The boundaries
between the two area codes were erased in 1998 when area code 469 was added. ... 
www.puc.state.tx.us/telecomm/areacodes/dallas.cfm
====

When will you be able to meet, face-to-face, in meat space with several other people in Area Code 214 ?

Jim Fleming
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:11:04 -0600
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fw: Majordomo results: who ga

Why is the "who" command disabled ?...that means that only insiders are able to see **who** is on the list...

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:43:47 -0600
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] WIANA - Wireless IANA ?

http://www.communitywireless.org/
http://www.locustworld.com/
http://wiana.org/faq.php
What type of addresses and ranges are you allocating? 
Currently, IPv4 style addresses in the 1.x.x.x range.
===================

Jim Fleming
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:21:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] A puzzle about ccTLDs and sovereignty

I personally find it odd that many of the same people who see a ccTLD as
belonging to a state -- usually by some theory that it is an appurtenance
of sovereignty -- can also argue that the *sovereign* state is misusing it
if it leases it out or uses it for revenue.  Is Burundi "misusing" postage
stamps if it creates them to sell to collectors?

Can these views be reconciled? How?
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:50:20 -0600
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] A puzzle about ccTLDs and sovereignty

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [ga] A puzzle about ccTLDs and sovereignty

> I personally find it odd that many of the same people who see a ccTLD as
> belonging to a state -- usually by some theory that it is an appurtenance
> of sovereignty -- can also argue that the *sovereign* state is misusing it
> if it leases it out or uses it for revenue.  Is Burundi "misusing" postage
> stamps if it creates them to sell to collectors?
> 
> Can these views be reconciled? How?
> -- 

Michael,

With all due respect, you apparently do not have the time to keep up with all of the changes taking place.

The so-called ccTLDs have been shipped off-shore. The decision was made to phase them out and to
let the GAC handle the baby-sitting of the 0:0 .ARPA and IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name space. Keep
in mind....that is a very small address space. There is really not much to do, but watch the paint dry at this
point in time. The same can be said for the so-called ccTLDs that have no potential in the free marketplace.
They will eventually fade completely from the scene. Most netizens already have no interest or knowledge
about them. They have no mind-share or market-share. Using your "stamps" comparison, a country can
print anything they want and if some fool buys it, collects it, etc. then who cares ? What .0000000001 %
of the world does, is not interesting.

The InterNAT (aka NAT, ICS, IPv8, etc.) is focused on selling to the market. The Top 2,048 TLDs will
be the marketplace leaders. The software selects them and the so-called ccTLDs are not in that population.

Jim Fleming
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:56:23 -0600
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] "...how to kill competitive protocols?"...

http://www.ietf.org//mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg19657.html
From: "Charles E. Perkins" <[email-masked]> 
"Does it mean that we should require new sections in every
Internet Draft explaining how the protocol can succeed
by suggesting some clever strategies for misleading
advertising and so on, or how to kill competitive protocols?"
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If you recall, the I* society did away with the Protocol Supporting Organization.
...they can not tolerate any "competition" in the protocol space...

Jim Fleming
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:34:17 +0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] A puzzle about ccTLDs and sovereignty

Michael Froomkin asked:

>Is Burundi "misusing" postage
>stamps if it creates them to sell to collectors?
>

Obviously not.

Would a private organization misuse Burundi postage stamps if it creates 
them by delegation from a private body without official stamp ;>) of 
approval by Burundi Government, and by doing so preventing the Burundi Post 
Administration (or any authority delegated by them) to issue their own for 
the use stamps are originally meant for?
Probably yes.

In other words, if the Tuvalu government wants to manage .tv for commercial 
purposes, it is their right to do so. But it must be a delegation that comes 
from the Tuvalu government, not by a private body like IANA or ICANN. (No, I 
don't imply that the current TV-NIC acts without the Tuvalu authorization, 
it's just an example)

Anyway, if yours was meant to be a comment of a misuse from my part of the 
term misuse, the point is taken. I have to admit that this long period of 
lurking without posting has reduced my ability to get the point across in a 
correct and understandable way. Sorry.

Regards
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:45:18 -0600
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Subject: [ga] http://GAC.GAC.GAC

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:59:10 -0600
From: "Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

Roberto

I can sympathize with your view on consumer election, but as for
organizations belonging or not to a country, I beleive that except for
atypical subjects of public international law, the rule is that everyone and
everything belongs to one country or another.

Atentamente, Regards
Rodrigo Orenday Serratos

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De: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:[email-masked]]
Enviado el: Viernes, 28 de Marzo de 2003 01:33 AM
Para: [email-masked]
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Asunto: RE: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:

>
>Excuse me, but I find it nearsighted to state that the reason for the
>current interes in ccTLDs is simply due to the shortage of gTLDs. There are
>marketing reasons which may compel a service provider to seek a ccTLD
>rather
>than a gTLD, which go beyond the inavailability of one of the latter.
>
>"Mock-up gTLDs", such as .tv are another story.
>

You are absolutely right, I expressed myself incorrectly.
I did not want to imply that the interest on ccTLDs is due to the lack of
gTLDs, but that what IMHO is a misuse of the ccTLDs (what you call "Mock-up
gTLDs") has been incentivated by the lack of gTLDs.

Referring to a later post of you, about not having any need for gTLDs, you
might be correct, but I would prefer a world where you have both and the
customer choose. This will solve also the problems of the
people/organizations that don't want to be labelled as belonging to a
country.

Best regards
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