Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1637
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GA-DIGEST          Thursday, March 20 2003          Volume 01 : Number 1637

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:39:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Jeff Williams wrote:

> Abel and all,
>
>   I completely agree with Abel's concerns here as he stated them.
> Vittorio has acted badly and in seemingly bad faith.

He's perfect for Rio - Vittorio, Vittorio, oley & oivey.

I've been watching some of this crap.  Vittorio is the perfect ICANN
crony.  I can see it now - vittorio in a leather collar with a leash
attached to a scrany ester polyester.  she cracks the whip against his
hairy buttocks as she screams roll over vittorio - and vittorio rolls
over.

it's time for me to go back to my coma .. poor vittorio.

regards
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> Abel Wisman wrote:
>
> > Vittorio,
> >
> > You clearly fail to see that the moment you resigned, the maillist was
> > property of the remaining panellists, not yours to do with as you
> > please.
> > While being a panel member you had a limited right of access of that
> > list, which represent the member-list for the organisation.
> > By sending this list to non panel members and selectively upon your own
> > decision you have demonstrated a total disregard for simple democratic
> > rules, written or non-written.
> > You have willingly and purposly thrown the organisation of a cliff while
> > smiling in the rafters, making sure no election COULD take place by not
> > giving the maillist to the remainder of the panel.
> >
> > If this is your idea of how to handle a position of trust and
> > resposibility then I pity the ALAC, no matter what I think of that, with
> > you as chairman and sincerely hope that ICANN has safeguarded her
> > brainchild from the likes of you.
> >
> > No matter how you wiggle, you have only you to blame, the entire
> > organisation has you to blame, but I have no doubt you wont loose sleep
> > over it.
> >
> > You in person have no legal rights to a passwd for a site of an
> > organisation you are no longer a panel member of, nor did you have the
> > right to share that passwd with anyone BUT the panel members, no mattter
> > how few were remaining and what their political agendas were.
> >
> > Abel
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf
> > > Of Vittorio Bertola
> > > Sent: 17 March 2003 16:44
> > > To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> > > Cc: [email-masked]
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:42:44 +0100, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >2. Vittorio Bertola is the Chair of the WG-Web maintaining
> > > >     the site discussed by Joanna, being the only one
> > > >     having the password.
> > >
> > > False. I gave the password to the watchdogs. And I am not
> > > Chair of anything any more.
> > >
> > > >3. there is a panel made of three not resigning Panelists
> > > >     including Vittorio Bertola, and there is a list of elected
> > > >     replacements that Viottorio refused to call. We will note
> > > >     that the last Panelist to resign were bored out by
> > > >     Vittorio innaction and that after the last resignation
> > > >     Vittorio ran a 8 days long vote of the Panel.
> > >
> > > You fail to mention that the three not resigning Panelists,
> > > including you, voted unanimously to have new elections rather
> > > than call replacements in and continue working. I simply
> > > applied what we decided. You could have voted against the
> > > election if you didn't want the Panel to stop working.
> > >
> > > >4. New elections are blocked because Vittorio Bertola
> > > >     made sure that the list of the Members would be
> > > >     given to two members with no mandate and no way
> > > >     to proceed, rather than to the Panel he chairs, as
> > > >     he publicly committed, and as any non ICANNer
> > > >     would do.
> > >
> > > This was my decision (given the complete lack of rules about
> > > what to do in this case) to ensure the exact opposite - that
> > > elections would actually happen, and that the rest of the
> > > Panel would not be able to cancel them. If there are
> > > practical problems that prevent the election from happening,
> > > I have said a number of times that I am available to help the
> > > watchdogs.
> > >
> > > >I thought that correcting a few erroneous details in the valuable
> > > >communication of the ALAC Chair, could help better understanding the
> > > >ICANN semantic. In ICANNers language NO means YES, etc. Once you
> > > >understdood that, they become an as reliable source of information
> > > >as any other one.
> > >
> > > Jefsey, I might say the same about you and all your dramatic
> > > postings, with which apparently you are trying to put
> > > pressure on me so that I give the list to you and you can
> > > actually put your hands on the organization. Why can't we
> > > simply have elections and let the members vote on who should
> > > lead them, rather than you and Bruce ruling the organization
> > > alone? There's no necessity for you to have the membership
> > > list before the elections.
> > > --
> > > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
> > > bertola.eu.org]<------
> > > --------> http://bertola.eu.org/ - Archivio FAQ e molto altro...
> > > --------> <--------
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:57 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website

Joe and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,

  Unfortunatly, I am afraid you might be right here Joe...  :(

Joe Baptista wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Abel and all,
> >
> >   I completely agree with Abel's concerns here as he stated them.
> > Vittorio has acted badly and in seemingly bad faith.
>
> He's perfect for Rio - Vittorio, Vittorio, oley & oivey.
>
> I've been watching some of this crap.  Vittorio is the perfect ICANN
> crony.  I can see it now - vittorio in a leather collar with a leash
> attached to a scrany ester polyester.  she cracks the whip against his
> hairy buttocks as she screams roll over vittorio - and vittorio rolls
> over.
>
> it's time for me to go back to my coma .. poor vittorio.
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
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> >
> > Abel Wisman wrote:
> >
> > > Vittorio,
> > >
> > > You clearly fail to see that the moment you resigned, the maillist was
> > > property of the remaining panellists, not yours to do with as you
> > > please.
> > > While being a panel member you had a limited right of access of that
> > > list, which represent the member-list for the organisation.
> > > By sending this list to non panel members and selectively upon your own
> > > decision you have demonstrated a total disregard for simple democratic
> > > rules, written or non-written.
> > > You have willingly and purposly thrown the organisation of a cliff while
> > > smiling in the rafters, making sure no election COULD take place by not
> > > giving the maillist to the remainder of the panel.
> > >
> > > If this is your idea of how to handle a position of trust and
> > > resposibility then I pity the ALAC, no matter what I think of that, with
> > > you as chairman and sincerely hope that ICANN has safeguarded her
> > > brainchild from the likes of you.
> > >
> > > No matter how you wiggle, you have only you to blame, the entire
> > > organisation has you to blame, but I have no doubt you wont loose sleep
> > > over it.
> > >
> > > You in person have no legal rights to a passwd for a site of an
> > > organisation you are no longer a panel member of, nor did you have the
> > > right to share that passwd with anyone BUT the panel members, no mattter
> > > how few were remaining and what their political agendas were.
> > >
> > > Abel
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf
> > > > Of Vittorio Bertola
> > > > Sent: 17 March 2003 16:44
> > > > To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> > > > Cc: [email-masked]
> > > > Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:42:44 +0100, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >2. Vittorio Bertola is the Chair of the WG-Web maintaining
> > > > >     the site discussed by Joanna, being the only one
> > > > >     having the password.
> > > >
> > > > False. I gave the password to the watchdogs. And I am not
> > > > Chair of anything any more.
> > > >
> > > > >3. there is a panel made of three not resigning Panelists
> > > > >     including Vittorio Bertola, and there is a list of elected
> > > > >     replacements that Viottorio refused to call. We will note
> > > > >     that the last Panelist to resign were bored out by
> > > > >     Vittorio innaction and that after the last resignation
> > > > >     Vittorio ran a 8 days long vote of the Panel.
> > > >
> > > > You fail to mention that the three not resigning Panelists,
> > > > including you, voted unanimously to have new elections rather
> > > > than call replacements in and continue working. I simply
> > > > applied what we decided. You could have voted against the
> > > > election if you didn't want the Panel to stop working.
> > > >
> > > > >4. New elections are blocked because Vittorio Bertola
> > > > >     made sure that the list of the Members would be
> > > > >     given to two members with no mandate and no way
> > > > >     to proceed, rather than to the Panel he chairs, as
> > > > >     he publicly committed, and as any non ICANNer
> > > > >     would do.
> > > >
> > > > This was my decision (given the complete lack of rules about
> > > > what to do in this case) to ensure the exact opposite - that
> > > > elections would actually happen, and that the rest of the
> > > > Panel would not be able to cancel them. If there are
> > > > practical problems that prevent the election from happening,
> > > > I have said a number of times that I am available to help the
> > > > watchdogs.
> > > >
> > > > >I thought that correcting a few erroneous details in the valuable
> > > > >communication of the ALAC Chair, could help better understanding the
> > > > >ICANN semantic. In ICANNers language NO means YES, etc. Once you
> > > > >understdood that, they become an as reliable source of information
> > > > >as any other one.
> > > >
> > > > Jefsey, I might say the same about you and all your dramatic
> > > > postings, with which apparently you are trying to put
> > > > pressure on me so that I give the list to you and you can
> > > > actually put your hands on the organization. Why can't we
> > > > simply have elections and let the members vote on who should
> > > > lead them, rather than you and Bruce ruling the organization
> > > > alone? There's no necessity for you to have the membership
> > > > list before the elections.
> > > > --
> > > > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
> > > > bertola.eu.org]<------
> > > > --------> http://bertola.eu.org/ - Archivio FAQ e molto altro...
> > > > --------> <--------
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:15:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website

Oh Joe!

This is completely out of line and accurate and rude and wrong and 
disgusting and correct.
e

> 
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Jeff Williams wrote:
> 
>> Abel and all,
>>
>>   I completely agree with Abel's concerns here as he stated them.
>> Vittorio has acted badly and in seemingly bad faith.
> 
> He's perfect for Rio - Vittorio, Vittorio, oley & oivey.
> 
> I've been watching some of this crap.  Vittorio is the perfect ICANN
> crony.  I can see it now - vittorio in a leather collar with a leash
> attached to a scrany ester polyester.  she cracks the whip against his
> hairy buttocks as she screams roll over vittorio - and vittorio rolls
> over.
> 
> it's time for me to go back to my coma .. poor vittorio.
> 
> regards
> joe baptista
> 
> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
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>>
>> Abel Wisman wrote:
>>
>> > Vittorio,
>> >
>> > You clearly fail to see that the moment you resigned, the maillist
>> > was property of the remaining panellists, not yours to do with as
>> > you please.
>> > While being a panel member you had a limited right of access of that
>> > list, which represent the member-list for the organisation.
>> > By sending this list to non panel members and selectively upon your
>> > own decision you have demonstrated a total disregard for simple
>> > democratic rules, written or non-written.
>> > You have willingly and purposly thrown the organisation of a cliff
>> > while smiling in the rafters, making sure no election COULD take
>> > place by not giving the maillist to the remainder of the panel.
>> >
>> > If this is your idea of how to handle a position of trust and
>> > resposibility then I pity the ALAC, no matter what I think of that,
>> > with you as chairman and sincerely hope that ICANN has safeguarded
>> > her brainchild from the likes of you.
>> >
>> > No matter how you wiggle, you have only you to blame, the entire
>> > organisation has you to blame, but I have no doubt you wont loose
>> > sleep over it.
>> >
>> > You in person have no legal rights to a passwd for a site of an
>> > organisation you are no longer a panel member of, nor did you have
>> > the right to share that passwd with anyone BUT the panel members, no
>> > mattter how few were remaining and what their political agendas
>> > were.
>> >
>> > Abel
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
>> > > Vittorio Bertola
>> > > Sent: 17 March 2003 16:44
>> > > To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
>> > > Cc: [email-masked]
>> > > Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:42:44 +0100, you wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >2. Vittorio Bertola is the Chair of the WG-Web maintaining
>> > > >     the site discussed by Joanna, being the only one
>> > > >     having the password.
>> > >
>> > > False. I gave the password to the watchdogs. And I am not
>> > > Chair of anything any more.
>> > >
>> > > >3. there is a panel made of three not resigning Panelists
>> > > >     including Vittorio Bertola, and there is a list of elected
>> > > >     replacements that Viottorio refused to call. We will note
>> > > >     that the last Panelist to resign were bored out by
>> > > >     Vittorio innaction and that after the last resignation
>> > > >     Vittorio ran a 8 days long vote of the Panel.
>> > >
>> > > You fail to mention that the three not resigning Panelists,
>> > > including you, voted unanimously to have new elections rather than
>> > > call replacements in and continue working. I simply
>> > > applied what we decided. You could have voted against the
>> > > election if you didn't want the Panel to stop working.
>> > >
>> > > >4. New elections are blocked because Vittorio Bertola
>> > > >     made sure that the list of the Members would be
>> > > >     given to two members with no mandate and no way
>> > > >     to proceed, rather than to the Panel he chairs, as
>> > > >     he publicly committed, and as any non ICANNer
>> > > >     would do.
>> > >
>> > > This was my decision (given the complete lack of rules about what
>> > > to do in this case) to ensure the exact opposite - that elections
>> > > would actually happen, and that the rest of the
>> > > Panel would not be able to cancel them. If there are
>> > > practical problems that prevent the election from happening, I
>> > > have said a number of times that I am available to help the
>> > > watchdogs.
>> > >
>> > > >I thought that correcting a few erroneous details in the valuable
>> > > >communication of the ALAC Chair, could help better understanding
>> > > >the ICANN semantic. In ICANNers language NO means YES, etc. Once
>> > > >you understdood that, they become an as reliable source of
>> > > >information as any other one.
>> > >
>> > > Jefsey, I might say the same about you and all your dramatic
>> > > postings, with which apparently you are trying to put
>> > > pressure on me so that I give the list to you and you can
>> > > actually put your hands on the organization. Why can't we
>> > > simply have elections and let the members vote on who should lead
>> > > them, rather than you and Bruce ruling the organization alone?
>> > > There's no necessity for you to have the membership
>> > > list before the elections.
>> > > --
>> > > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
>> > > bertola.eu.org]<------
>> > > --------> http://bertola.eu.org/ - Archivio FAQ e molto altro...
>> > > --------> <--------
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:33:52 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] ICANN's CEO

Australian morning newspapers have started reporting that Australia's Dr Paul 
Twomey has been appointed the new president and CEO of ICANN.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6152415%255E15306,00.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/19/1047749818051.html
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:49:01 -0600
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN's CEO

At 1:33 AM -0500 3/19/03, [email-masked] wrote:
>Australian morning newspapers have started reporting that Australia's Dr Paul
>Twomey has been appointed the new president and CEO of ICANN.

Well I didn't vote for him.

Anyone else?

I move they shift the Rio meeting to Baghdad, and hold it in a few days time.

Make sure Paul's there, along with Esther, Mike, Joe and Stu. And all their
cronies.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:16:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN's CEO

Funny thing,

Short cuts can slow you down.
Any "appointment" to this post is disgusting and makes them even more 
irrelevant.

ICANN cannot even run their own websites, their only relevance would be 
political based on bottoms up/open and transparent international 
participation.

e

> Australian morning newspapers have started reporting that Australia's
> Dr Paul  Twomey has been appointed the new president and CEO of ICANN.
> 
> http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6152415%255E15306,00.html
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:33:19 -0500
From: "Milton Mueller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

Hi, as some of you know, we've been vetting this
paper for a few weeks, but the official version is now
available for public download. 

We propose an efficient, scheduled procedure 
to add 40 TLDs annually. Auctions used to ration
competing applications.

The paper was received with great interest at NTIA and
FCC, which in turn led to interest at ICANN and GAC. 
We will be presenting it in various places at the Rio meeting.

To download it:

http://www.digital-convergence.org

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:11:21 -0600
From: "John Palmer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

Please explain why that is fair to auction off what is potentially the fruits of someone else's labor.

Some of us have been operating registries and have been supporting TLDs in
for almost 9 years now. Why can't we have the property that we have worked
hard to develop? 

You get NO support from me on this. Only the rich will be able to bid on this. My company
has already spent upwards of $300,000 on our investment. I should be able to protect that
investment by not having my business product stolen from me and auctioned off to some
fat cat.

Your proprsal is a non-starter.

Next....

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Milton Mueller" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 15:33
Subject: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

> 
> Hi, as some of you know, we've been vetting this
> paper for a few weeks, but the official version is now
> available for public download. 
> 
> We propose an efficient, scheduled procedure 
> to add 40 TLDs annually. Auctions used to ration
> competing applications.
> 
> The paper was received with great interest at NTIA and
> FCC, which in turn led to interest at ICANN and GAC. 
> We will be presenting it in various places at the Rio meeting.
> 
> To download it:
> 
> http://www.digital-convergence.org
> 
> --Milton
> 
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:46:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Karl Auerbach <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, John Palmer wrote:

> Please explain why that is fair to auction off what is potentially the
> fruits of someone else's labor.
 
> Some of us have been operating registries and have been supporting TLDs in
> for almost 9 years now. Why can't we have the property that we have worked
> hard to develop? 

If a name in a competing root has established itself as a actual
designator of actual goods or services through use and/or registration,
then you've possibly got cognizable legal rights.

But you've got to be willing to defend those rights.  Otherwise you are
simply whining.

So if you believe that you have laboured to build something, then the 
forum to vindicate those rights is the courthouse.

The best that ICANN can do is to be blind to rights that may or may not
exist in names, leaving the resolution of disputes to forums better suited
to that kind of thing.

That doesn't mean that I agree with Milton's paper - I believe that ICANN 
ought to be cranking new TLDs out at a rate of rather more than one per 
day, and that the choice of what TLD ought to be totally blind to the 
actual character string being sought (other than to ensure that it doesn't 
clash with an already allocated string.)  But Milton's approach is 
certainly a far sight better than the status quo of do-nothingness.

		--karl--

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:51:15 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

John and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,

  I must agree with John here.  Tha last time around the Lottery
process produced poor stuarts of TLD's as registries.  A auction
has little or even less of a chance to produce better results.

John Palmer wrote:

> Please explain why that is fair to auction off what is potentially the fruits of someone else's labor.
>
> Some of us have been operating registries and have been supporting TLDs in
> for almost 9 years now. Why can't we have the property that we have worked
> hard to develop?
>
> You get NO support from me on this. Only the rich will be able to bid on this. My company
> has already spent upwards of $300,000 on our investment. I should be able to protect that
> investment by not having my business product stolen from me and auctioned off to some
> fat cat.
>
> Your proprsal is a non-starter.
>
> Next....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Milton Mueller" <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Cc: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 15:33
> Subject: [ga] New TLD White Paper released
>
> >
> > Hi, as some of you know, we've been vetting this
> > paper for a few weeks, but the official version is now
> > available for public download.
> >
> > We propose an efficient, scheduled procedure
> > to add 40 TLDs annually. Auctions used to ration
> > competing applications.
> >
> > The paper was received with great interest at NTIA and
> > FCC, which in turn led to interest at ICANN and GAC.
> > We will be presenting it in various places at the Rio meeting.
> >
> > To download it:
> >
> > http://www.digital-convergence.org
> >
> > --Milton
> >
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:59:12 -0800 (PST)
From: George Kirikos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] WHOIS email addresses and spam: some stats

Hello,

CDT has done a study on sources of spam (including emails from the
WHOIS database), with a report (PDF format) at:

http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.pdf

It turns out that in the period of the study (6 months), they only
received 1 spam from WHOIS. A policy of rotating WHOIS email addresses
regularly, using 'disposable' email addresses, as some registrars have
started to do, would probably alleviate most of the concerns over
"mining" the WHOIS database by spammers.

Other sources, like posting e-mail addresses on websites, turn out to
be far more important in attracting spam.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
http://www.autoinsurance.ca/
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:00:03 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New TLD White Paper released

Karl and all former DNSO GA members,

  Pardon me here a bit Karl, but one of the main reasons ICANN
came into being was the expansion of the name space, ergo new
TLD's introduced.  I am in agreement with you except that existing
TLD's outside of the Legacy Root structure, essentially have no
rights in that root structure even if they pre-existed new TLD's
that ICANN may decide to create.

  This being said, the auction process that this paper is suggesting
as I stated earlier, obviously has no better and likely less of a chance
of solving HOW and WHAT new TLD's should be added or otherwise
created.

  If an inclusive root structure was acceptable to the ICANN BOD
and staff, the free market system as you also suggest below in your
remarks, is indeed the best and I believe the only way in which this
pesky problem or issue can be adequately solved...

Karl Auerbach wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, John Palmer wrote:
>
> > Please explain why that is fair to auction off what is potentially the
> > fruits of someone else's labor.
>
> > Some of us have been operating registries and have been supporting TLDs in
> > for almost 9 years now. Why can't we have the property that we have worked
> > hard to develop?
>
> If a name in a competing root has established itself as a actual
> designator of actual goods or services through use and/or registration,
> then you've possibly got cognizable legal rights.
>
> But you've got to be willing to defend those rights.  Otherwise you are
> simply whining.
>
> So if you believe that you have laboured to build something, then the
> forum to vindicate those rights is the courthouse.
>
> The best that ICANN can do is to be blind to rights that may or may not
> exist in names, leaving the resolution of disputes to forums better suited
> to that kind of thing.
>
> That doesn't mean that I agree with Milton's paper - I believe that ICANN
> ought to be cranking new TLDs out at a rate of rather more than one per
> day, and that the choice of what TLD ought to be totally blind to the
> actual character string being sought (other than to ensure that it doesn't
> clash with an already allocated string.)  But Milton's approach is
> certainly a far sight better than the status quo of do-nothingness.
>
>                 --karl--
>
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