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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:39:28 +0100
From: Vittorio Bertola <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [cctld-discuss] a cctld representative

On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:18:51 +0000, you wrote:

>The day such a system of self-appointment may seen to work is when gives an
>equal chance at "nomination" to people like Karl Auerbach, Willie Black (UK)
>or even Eberhard Lisse (.NA) as ICANN Board Members.

For what is worth, my personal opinion is that if the new Board
selection system fails to bring a group of skilled, diverse,
uncontroversial and widely supported persons to the Board, then the
whole Reform of ICANN will have failed, as this was possibly its main
objective.

Unfortunately, some of the events that have recently happened do not
seem to go in this direction, but even if not all of us agree on the
best method to get to this final target, I am sure that we all agree
on the target. In my opinion, it is by the fact that such target is
reached or not that ICANN will be ultimately judged.
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 03:55:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:20:33 EST, you wrote:
>
> >Without any fanfare, ICANN Staff has launched alac.icann.org as the website
> >for the At-Large Community.  Apparently, this must have been approved by the
> >toadies on the At-Large Advisory Committee (and what else could you possibly
> >expect from those all-too-eager to lick the boots of the ICANN Board and
> >Staff?), but there seems to be no record of such a decision on the ALAC
> >discussion list.
>
> The Committee has not approved any rules or procedures for management
> of its website yet. This will be an item of discussion during our Rio
> meeting next week. Personally, I think that the Committee should

of to Rio - la la laaaa - of to Rio to make snookie ...

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:09:33 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website - http://forum.icann.org/alac-comments/ - Purposfully misleading, or gross managment error?

Vittorio and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,

  Why does the forum E-Mail address fail?  Is there a fear that
before Rio that comments that may not be particularly supportive
be the reason?  Kinda smells bad here Vittorio!  :(

  In that the Web site link, http://forum.icann.org/alac-comments/
states, despite the "Under Construction" heading, and I quote,
"Welcome to the ALAC Public Comment Forum. This page is
under construction, but will be operational after the   ICANN
meeting in Rio de Janeiro, March 23-27 2003. Until then, e-mail
from the general public concerning ALAC activities is encouraged.
Interested parties should send their comments to <[email-masked]>. "

  This seems either a gross error, or designed to be misleading
purposefully...  In either case it does not serve well for this
rather poor preview of coming attractions, i.e. wisdom of those
on this committee...

Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:20:33 EST, you wrote:
>
> >Without any fanfare, ICANN Staff has launched alac.icann.org as the website
> >for the At-Large Community.  Apparently, this must have been approved by the
> >toadies on the At-Large Advisory Committee (and what else could you possibly
> >expect from those all-too-eager to lick the boots of the ICANN Board and
> >Staff?), but there seems to be no record of such a decision on the ALAC
> >discussion list.
>
> The Committee has not approved any rules or procedures for management
> of its website yet. This will be an item of discussion during our Rio
> meeting next week. Personally, I think that the Committee should
> review and approve the content of its website before it goes live -
> something that has not happened in this case, but I am confident will
> happen in the future.
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:16:50 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [cctld-discuss] a cctld representative

Vittorio and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,

Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:18:51 +0000, Nigel wrote:
>
> >The day such a system of self-appointment may seen to work is when gives an
> >equal chance at "nomination" to people like Karl Auerbach, Willie Black (UK)
> >or even Eberhard Lisse (.NA) as ICANN Board Members.
>
> For what is worth, my personal opinion is that if the new Board
> selection system fails to bring a group of skilled, diverse,
> uncontroversial and widely supported persons to the Board, then the
> whole Reform of ICANN will have failed, as this was possibly its main
> objective.
>
> Unfortunately, some of the events that have recently happened do not
> seem to go in this direction, but even if not all of us agree on the
> best method to get to this final target, I am sure that we all agree
> on the target. In my opinion, it is by the fact that such target is
> reached or not that ICANN will be ultimately judged.

  Nice bit of spin here Vittorio.  Perhaps this sort of false spin
is why you are no longer desired on the ICANNATLARGE.ORG
Panel.  In any event, this is pure nonsense.  ICANN has already
been judged by the vast majority of the stakeholders/users.
See for instance: http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/8_911711
So Vittoiro, you can pretend all you or other few hangers on wish,
but the die is cast...

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:44:52 -0500
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website

> Keep the people at arm's length. Keep democracy at a distance. Keep
critics
> at a distance. Create *interfaces* filled with appointed individuals.

Yeah - it will make it easier to charge for the documentation.

                     -rwr

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thought which they seldom use."
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:14:50 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] so you want to become a registry? 

FYI (From the registrars' list):

Yes, everyone has thought about becoming a registry at some time. Now
there is a freely available implementation of EPP. Its written by the
folks at ISC, the same organization that develops bind9.

you can read all about it at http://www.isc.org/products/OpenReg/

I personally think this is real cool stuff.

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:52:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] so you want to become a registry? 

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 [email-masked] wrote:

> FYI (From the registrars' list):
>
> Yes, everyone has thought about becoming a registry at some time. Now
> there is a freely available implementation of EPP. Its written by the
> folks at ISC, the same organization that develops bind9.
>
> you can read all about it at http://www.isc.org/products/OpenReg/
>
> I personally think this is real cool stuff.

hmmmm ... Vixie - isc - bind - not a great track record when it comes to
security.

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:56:05 -0800
From: Doug Mehus <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] so you want to become a registry?

Very cool stuff, Danny! Now, if only we can convince all of the major ccTLD administrators to use OpenReg as their Registry software, we'd be doing well. I'm Canadian, and I know that it would be awesome if CIRA decided to use OpenReg. Imagine... a .ca domain name becoming active in only a few short minutes. ;)

Best,
Doug

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Subject: [ga] so you want to become a registry?

FYI (From the registrars' list):

Yes, everyone has thought about becoming a registry at some time. Now
there is a freely available implementation of EPP. Its written by the
folks at ISC, the same organization that develops bind9.

you can read all about it at http://www.isc.org/products/OpenReg/

I personally think this is real cool stuff.

- -rick
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00813.html

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:58:34 -0800
From: Doug Mehus <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] so you want to become a registry?

>Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god

<--- Was this registered with New.net, that evil alternate root that shoves its spyware-infested software down your throat? I don't like ICANN at all, but I hate New.net even more. ;(

Best,
Doug

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:27:19 -0600
From: "John Palmer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] so you want to become a registry?

Or INRS (Inclusive Namespace Registry System) - Like we do here.
John
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Subject: Re: [ga] so you want to become a registry?

> Very cool stuff, Danny! Now, if only we can convince all of the major ccTLD administrators to use OpenReg as their Registry
software, we'd be doing well. I'm Canadian, and I know that it would be awesome if CIRA decided to use OpenReg. Imagine... a .ca
domain name becoming active in only a few short minutes. ;)
>
> Best,
> Doug
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:14 PM
> Subject: [ga] so you want to become a registry?
>
> FYI (From the registrars' list):
>
> Yes, everyone has thought about becoming a registry at some time. Now
> there is a freely available implementation of EPP. Its written by the
> folks at ISC, the same organization that develops bind9.
>
> you can read all about it at http://www.isc.org/products/OpenReg/
>
> I personally think this is real cool stuff.
>
>
> -rick
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00813.html
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:51:20 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: The Privacy quotient - To: Re: [ga] RE: [ncdnhc-discuss] my nomination  for ICANN Board

Jefsey, Jeff, and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
parties,

J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:

>    Thank you, Jeff.
> You know how much we Europeans tend to consider this issue as
> important.
> The CAPP II and TIA and many other US attitudes on privacy are here
> regarded as ... disconcerting.

  Agreed here Jefsey.  In fact, perhaps contrary to Jeff N's
comments/statements below, this disconcerting attitude is very 
prevalent in the US as well, even amongst the US Military, the 
DHS, the US diplomatic community, and especially amongst a 
growing number of the Wall Street crowd.  As in part, the 
downturn in the US economy, and globally are effected
in a downward trend.  Therefore, the dismissive tone of Jeff N's
post below towards Michael Palage's rightful, strongly legal,
and ethical concerns of privacy seems both out of place, and
inconsistent with good business sense.  Therefore our [INEGroup]
members believe that the DOC/NTIA along with a congressional
bill consideration should reject ICANN's Whois Task Force
recommendations as they were not supported by the comments
see: http://www.dnso.org/dnso/dnsocomments/comments-whois/Arc02/
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc11/msg00822.html
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-whois/Arc00/
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc11/msg00947.html
which were predominantly negative towards that recommendation.

>
>
> The real issue is: if the WhoIs is of any worth it must work.
> Overdoing it
> will only create a tendency to passive resistance (generalized wrong
> information) or to boycott (usage of other TLDs or open roots).

  Open roots have by the Whois Task forces poor recommendations,
gained more stakeholders.  However this trend has been on an
upsurge over the past year due to a number of other poor and 
unsupported policy recommendations and ongoings of ICANN as well...

Accurate information need not have included, and should not have
included personal and private information of registrants.  Including
personal and private registrant information such as the Whois Task
force, without public support, recommended, shall, and already
has encouraged identity theft, fraud, and provided a very
useful tool for terrorists.  However the BC and IPC lobbied 
hard and won for now, that that information was essential to 
accuracy.  This of course will spur legal action, as
Jeff N. is finding out or will soon.

  This of course concerns me and many other US Military
veterans with respect to Nuestar's contract to manage the
.US registry, as well as shown Jeff Nuemans Nuelevel
contract to manage .BIZ which as many of us have witnessed
has been of very questionable quality in that managment.

> Should the
> Iraqi war go on (our role here is to consider the DNS issues) I would
> fear
> a destabilization of the whole naming system should the fashion
> develop to
> internationalize and detach oneself from an US image (I understand
> that the
> US airline industry openly discussed that risk with the USG, we could
> not
> be serious if we did not at least consider it prior to adding to an
> increasingly questionned/resented system). I think that relaxing the
> WhoIS
> to its minimum necessity is now an absolute commercial need for NSI.

  Not only to NSI is such an absolute commercial necessity.

>
> jfc
>
>
>
>
> On 03:37 14/03/03, Neuman, Jeff said:
>
> >I usually do not step into these debates (since I am not a noncomm
> member,
> >but I do like to follow the debates), but as a member of the US
> Policy
> >Council, I have to correct a misunderstanding.  The US Policy Council
>
> >discussed Whois Accuracy for several meetings and then I (along with
> the
> >rest of Council) asked Mike to draw up the proposal that was being
> >discussed.  Mike submitted the proposal, but it was in response to
> what we
> >(the Council) asked him to and he volunteered to draft up our
> thoughts.
> >
> >I know for a fact that Michael is always championing Privacy rights
> (if
> >you heard him speak in front of the FTC a few weeks ago, or attended
> his
> >several presentations on Privacy laws with the Registrars and
> Registries).
> >
> >You can make whatever judgments you want, but I thought you might
> want the
> >facts first.
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:46 PM
> >To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> >Subject: Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] my nomination for ICANN Board
> >
> >Only a few weeks ago, here is Washington DC, I was on a panel with
> >Michael.  The issue was Privacy and WHOIS, with a twist.  The US
> Federal
> >Trade Commission wants much more accuracy in the WHOIS database -- as
> they
> >pursue fraud across borders.
> >
> >Marilyn Cade proposed her WHOIS Task Force Report as the "right
> answer"
> >and the FTC was very supportive.  Michael said no.  He said that
> there
> >were privacy reasons why the data required of domain name registrants
>
> >should not be globally available to all.  He said that Marilyn's
> report
> >was not the right answer, and we needed to explore better ways of
> >improving accuracy and privacy.
> >
> >It was a strong position to take, and he did it with Marilyn on the
> panel,
> >too.
> >kathy
> >
> >>
> >>With all due respect, at a time when the Community was in the midst
> of the
> >>debate on WHOIS (accuracy vs. privacy), Michael Palage produced a
> document
> >>for the .us Policy Council favoring "accuracy".  Please see
> >>http://www.neustar.us/policycouncil/palage_whoisdata.pdf and decide
> for
> >>yourself the degree to which Michael supports the views of this
> constituency.
> >>_______________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:20:29 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: What are you doing with all of the .ORG money ?

Jim and all,

Jim Fleming wrote:

> http://www.ietf.org//mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg19301.html
> From: "vinton g. cerf" <[email-masked]>
> "...ISOC does not, at least as I understand it, have any direct access to the .org revenues."
> =====

 and this reference goes on to say: "ISOC does select the PIR board but otherwise there is no
financial connection."

  What is the cost of the selecting of the PIR board?  If any, how much
of that money goes into the ISOC's coffers?  (These may be good
court room questions in the future )  Wasn't it just not too long
ago that the ISOC was wondering how it was going to pay
it's officers?  Is a public resource such as .ORG being used
as a financial instrument to aid in funding a private organization
such as the ISOC? Why is such a board to be *selected* for .ORG
registrants that clearly have shown and requested to have
whom represents them, be elected by these same registrants?

As Lynn St.Amour was one of the *Selected* PIR board members,
along with the previous ISOC president Don Heath also recently on the
board of Afilias, does this not look like a stacked deck?  More Nepotism,
al la Worldcon/m style?  How and in what ways is Lynn St.Amour
uniquely suited for this PIR Board seat?

  I could go on here, but I think you all get the gist...

>
>
> What are you doing with all of the .ORG money ?
>
> Is the "access"...indirect ?

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:19:07 +0100
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] so you want to become a registry?

No this was not registered with New.net. You could have easily checked this
if you had visited their site. FYI www.new.net .
If you don't want New.net software you do not have to download it.
May I ask why do you hate New.net? Any reason for that?

Simon

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> >Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
>
> <--- Was this registered with New.net, that evil alternate root that
shoves its spyware-infested software down your throat? I don't like ICANN at
all, but I hate New.net even more. ;(
>
> Best,
> Doug
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