Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1587
From: [email-masked] (GA-DIGEST)
To: [email-masked]

GA-DIGEST          Sunday, February 9 2003          Volume 01 : Number 1587

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:08:01 -0500
From: "Michael D. Palage" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: wait a minute - icannatlarge = Joop Teernstra

Joe,

You need to obtain the detailed Whois for icannatlarge.org from the
registrar of record, eNom (see below). As part of the  .org migration, PIR
is still running a thin registry (limited Whois data). After PIR transitions
all of the registrars to EPP 7.0 the anomalous Whois output your originally
provided will be resolved.

Mike

Contact Type Registrant
Organization Name ICANNatlarge.org
First Name Hans
Last Name Klein
Address 1 175 15th St. NE
Address 2 Suite PH-4
City Atlanta
StateProvince GA
PostalCode 30309
Country US
Phone 1-404-894-2258
Fax 1-404-894-0535
EmailAddress

Contact Type Administrative
Organization Name ICANNatlarge.org
First Name Hans
Last Name Klein
Address 1 175 15th St. NE
Address 2 Suite PH-4
City Atlanta
StateProvince GA
PostalCode 30309
Country US
Phone 1-404-894-2258
Fax 1-404-894-0535
EmailAddress

Contact Type Billing
Organization Name ICANNatlarge.org
First Name Hans
Last Name Klein
Address 1 175 15th St. NE
Address 2 Suite PH-4
City Atlanta
StateProvince GA
PostalCode 30309
Country US
Phone 1-404-894-2258
Fax 1-404-894-0535
EmailAddress

Contact Type Technical
Organization Name ICANNatlarge.org
First Name Jamie
Last Name Love
Address 1 Consumer Project on Technology
Address 2 P.O. Box 19367
City washington
StateProvince DC
PostalCode 20036
Country US
Phone 1.202.387.8030
Fax 1.202.234.5176
EmailAddress

Item Value
created-by:  5065-EN
created-date:
nameserver:  uk1.able-towers.com
uk2.able-towers.com

registrar:  5065-EN
registration-expiration-date:
status:
updated-by:  5065-EN
updated-date:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Joe
> Baptista
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:22 PM
> To: Richard Henderson
> Cc: General Assembly of the DNSO; [email-masked]
> Subject: [ga] Re: wait a minute - icannatlarge = Joop Teernstra
>
>
>
> and who runs icannatlarge.org
>
> if i try to register as a user it tells me to goto icannatlarge.org.
> unfortunately the whois for that registry is not working.  another fine
> example of icann stability - so who's behind that?
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
> Domain ID:D90916972-LROR
> Domain Name:ICANNATLARGE.ORG
> Created On:04-Oct-2002 18:04:46 UTC
> Last Updated On:03-Nov-2002 22:58:09 UTC
> Expiration Date:04-Oct-2003 18:04:46 UTC
> Sponsoring Registrar:R39-LROR
> Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
> Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
> Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
> Registrant ID:39-C
> Registrant Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> Registrant Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> Registrant Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> Registrant City:N/A
> Registrant Postal Code:N/A
> Registrant Country:CA
> Registrant Email:[email-masked]
> Admin ID:39-C
> Admin Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> Admin Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> Admin Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> Admin City:N/A
> Admin Postal Code:N/A
> Admin Country:CA
> Admin Email:[email-masked]
> Billing ID:39-C
> Billing Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> Billing Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> Billing Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> Billing City:N/A
> Billing Postal Code:N/A
> Billing Country:CA
> Billing Email:[email-masked]
> Tech ID:39-C
> Tech Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> Tech Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> Tech Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> Tech City:N/A
> Tech Postal Code:N/A
> Tech Country:CA
> Tech Email:[email-masked]
> Name Server:UK1.ABLE-TOWERS.COM
> Name Server:UK2.ABLE-TOWERS.COM
>
> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
>
>  iNameSpace.Com - Your Source For Inclusive Name Space Domains!
> http://www.4altdomains.net
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> >
> > not that i mind - but is this the second coming of Joop
> Teernstra.  amen.
> >
> > Registrant:
> >    Joop Teernstra
> >    Cyberspace Association
> >    422b Beach Road
> >    Mairangi Bay
> >    Auckland,  1309
> >    New Zealand
> >
> >    Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
> >    Domain Name: ICANNATLARGE.COM
> >       Created on: 20-Feb-02
> >       Expires on: 20-Feb-03
> >       Last Updated on: 26-Nov-02
> >
> >    Administrative Contact:
> >       Teernstra, Joop  [email-masked]
> >       Cyberspace Association
> >       422b Beach Road
> >       Mairangi Bay
> >       Auckland,  1309
> >       New Zealand
> >       (649) 479-8110       Fax --
> >    Technical Contact:
> >       Teernstra, Joop  [email-masked]
> >       Cyberspace Association
> >       422b Beach Road
> >       Mairangi Bay
> >       Auckland,  1309
> >       New Zealand
> >       (649) 479-8110       Fax --
> >
> >    Domain servers in listed order:
> >       NS5.FASTER.CO.NZ
> >       NS6.FASTER.CO.NZ
> >
> >
> > Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
> >
> >     dot.film domain registration http://www.register.film
> >     a member of the TLDA http://www.tlda.net/
> >
> > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Richard Henderson wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Joe:
> > >
> > > The membership list can be viewed at www.IcannatLarge.com or .org
> > >
> > > For a convenient breakdown, by country, I've listed the
> membership here:
> > >
> > > http://www.theinternetchallenge.com/memberswholelistnames.htm
> > >
> > > Or view by Region, here:
> > >
> > > http://www.theinternetchallenge.com/memberswholelist.htm
> > >
> > > Have a nice day -
> > >
> > > Richard H
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
> > > To: Richard Henderson <[email-masked]>
> > > Cc: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Icann At Large Poll rejects RALOs and ICANN's new
> > > AtLargestructure
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Richard Henderson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 171 people took part in the ballot.
> > > >
> > > > who are these 170 people or alledged 1000?  is there a membership
> > > > list.  i have more domain owners then you have members.
> and you consider
> > > > that representative?
> > > >
> > > > who are these lost soals?
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > joe baptista
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This was virtually the same as our last ballot to confirm
> our name, when
> > > 170
> > > > > people voted.
> > > > >
> > > > > >From this you can deduce that, even though there were a
> dozen quite
> > > detailed
> > > > > questions, the core of our membership wanted to get involved.
> > > > >
> > > > > They also expressed a clear majority wish for more polls
> and regular
> > > polls.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clearly, with a membership of over 1000, you could ask
> "Where are the
> > > rest?"
> > > > >
> > > > > But I think any group like ours attracts sympathetic
> watchers who want
> > > to be
> > > > > members without getting drawn in too deep.
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone can draw their own conclusions.
> > > > >
> > > > > The results are informative, as far as they go.
> > > > >
> > > > > They will help our organisation determine its future, and
> they are a
> > > green
> > > > > light to much more co-operation with other At Large orgs
> around the
> > > world,
> > > > > to build a coalition outside the unpopular ICANN
> structure. They also
> > > > > effectively stop any support from our organisation for
> the RALOs dead in
> > > its
> > > > > tracks.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as the list of names to trust/mistrust goes, I did
> not see this
> > > in
> > > > > advance, but I find it an interesting indicator of
> opinion with regard
> > > to
> > > > > Denise Michel and Esther Dyson's initiative. I don't say
> this as any
> > > > > personal criticism of the people involved. I just think
> that (taken with
> > > the
> > > > > other votes) it demonstrates the opposition that exists
> to a "top down"
> > > > > ICANN agenda.
> > > > >
> > > > > At least we have actively initiated a "bottom up" process.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a shame ICANN won't do the same. It's a shame they
> chose to EXPEL
> > > the
> > > > > elected representatives on their Board. No wonder the
> grassroots of the
> > > At
> > > > > Large don't trust them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Henderson
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
> > > > > To: <[email-masked]>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 4:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ga] Icann At Large Poll rejects RALOs and
> ICANN's new At
> > > > > Largestructure (fwd)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I do not see the results published. I would be interested in the
> > > number
> > > > > > who voted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > [04] We value you like our close relations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > This message was passed to you via the [email-masked] list.
> > > > > Send mail to [email-masked] to unsubscribe
> > > > > ("unsubscribe ga" in the body of the message).
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:08:04 -0500
From: "Michael D. Palage" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: wait a minute - icannatlarge = Joop Teernstra

Joe,

You need to obtain the detailed Whois for icannatlarge.org from the
registrar of record, eNom (see below). As part of the  .org migration, PIR
is still running a thin registry (limited Whois data). After PIR transitions
all of the registrars to EPP 7 the anomalous Whois output your originally
provided will be resolved.

Mike

Contact Type Registrant
Organization Name ICANNatlarge.org
First Name Hans
Last Name Klein
Address 1 175 15th St. NE
Address 2 Suite PH-4
City Atlanta
StateProvince GA
PostalCode 30309
Country US
Phone 1-404-894-2258
Fax 1-404-894-0535
EmailAddress

Contact Type Administrative
Organization Name ICANNatlarge.org
First Name Hans
Last Name Klein
Address 1 175 15th St. NE
Address 2 Suite PH-4
City Atlanta
StateProvince GA
PostalCode 30309
Country US
Phone 1-404-894-2258
Fax 1-404-894-0535
EmailAddress

Contact Type Billing
Organization Name ICANNatlarge.org
First Name Hans
Last Name Klein
Address 1 175 15th St. NE
Address 2 Suite PH-4
City Atlanta
StateProvince GA
PostalCode 30309
Country US
Phone 1-404-894-2258
Fax 1-404-894-0535
EmailAddress

Contact Type Technical
Organization Name ICANNatlarge.org
First Name Jamie
Last Name Love
Address 1 Consumer Project on Technology
Address 2 P.O. Box 19367
City washington
StateProvince DC
PostalCode 20036
Country US
Phone 1.202.387.8030
Fax 1.202.234.5176
EmailAddress

Item Value
created-by:  5065-EN
created-date:
nameserver:  uk1.able-towers.com
uk2.able-towers.com

registrar:  5065-EN
registration-expiration-date:
status:
updated-by:  5065-EN
updated-date:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Joe
> Baptista
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:22 PM
> To: Richard Henderson
> Cc: General Assembly of the DNSO; [email-masked]
> Subject: [ga] Re: wait a minute - icannatlarge = Joop Teernstra
>
>
>
> and who runs icannatlarge.org
>
> if i try to register as a user it tells me to goto icannatlarge.org.
> unfortunately the whois for that registry is not working.  another fine
> example of icann stability - so who's behind that?
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
> Domain ID:D90916972-LROR
> Domain Name:ICANNATLARGE.ORG
> Created On:04-Oct-2002 18:04:46 UTC
> Last Updated On:03-Nov-2002 22:58:09 UTC
> Expiration Date:04-Oct-2003 18:04:46 UTC
> Sponsoring Registrar:R39-LROR
> Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
> Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
> Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
> Registrant ID:39-C
> Registrant Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> Registrant Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> Registrant Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> Registrant City:N/A
> Registrant Postal Code:N/A
> Registrant Country:CA
> Registrant Email:[email-masked]
> Admin ID:39-C
> Admin Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> Admin Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> Admin Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> Admin City:N/A
> Admin Postal Code:N/A
> Admin Country:CA
> Admin Email:[email-masked]
> Billing ID:39-C
> Billing Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> Billing Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> Billing Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> Billing City:N/A
> Billing Postal Code:N/A
> Billing Country:CA
> Billing Email:[email-masked]
> Tech ID:39-C
> Tech Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> Tech Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> Tech Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> Tech City:N/A
> Tech Postal Code:N/A
> Tech Country:CA
> Tech Email:[email-masked]
> Name Server:UK1.ABLE-TOWERS.COM
> Name Server:UK2.ABLE-TOWERS.COM
>
> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
>
>  iNameSpace.Com - Your Source For Inclusive Name Space Domains!
> http://www.4altdomains.net
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> >
> > not that i mind - but is this the second coming of Joop
> Teernstra.  amen.
> >
> > Registrant:
> >    Joop Teernstra
> >    Cyberspace Association
> >    422b Beach Road
> >    Mairangi Bay
> >    Auckland,  1309
> >    New Zealand
> >
> >    Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
> >    Domain Name: ICANNATLARGE.COM
> >       Created on: 20-Feb-02
> >       Expires on: 20-Feb-03
> >       Last Updated on: 26-Nov-02
> >
> >    Administrative Contact:
> >       Teernstra, Joop  [email-masked]
> >       Cyberspace Association
> >       422b Beach Road
> >       Mairangi Bay
> >       Auckland,  1309
> >       New Zealand
> >       (649) 479-8110       Fax --
> >    Technical Contact:
> >       Teernstra, Joop  [email-masked]
> >       Cyberspace Association
> >       422b Beach Road
> >       Mairangi Bay
> >       Auckland,  1309
> >       New Zealand
> >       (649) 479-8110       Fax --
> >
> >    Domain servers in listed order:
> >       NS5.FASTER.CO.NZ
> >       NS6.FASTER.CO.NZ
> >
> >
> > Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
> >
> >     dot.film domain registration http://www.register.film
> >     a member of the TLDA http://www.tlda.net/
> >
> > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Richard Henderson wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Joe:
> > >
> > > The membership list can be viewed at www.IcannatLarge.com or .org
> > >
> > > For a convenient breakdown, by country, I've listed the
> membership here:
> > >
> > > http://www.theinternetchallenge.com/memberswholelistnames.htm
> > >
> > > Or view by Region, here:
> > >
> > > http://www.theinternetchallenge.com/memberswholelist.htm
> > >
> > > Have a nice day -
> > >
> > > Richard H
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
> > > To: Richard Henderson <[email-masked]>
> > > Cc: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Icann At Large Poll rejects RALOs and ICANN's new
> > > AtLargestructure
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Richard Henderson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 171 people took part in the ballot.
> > > >
> > > > who are these 170 people or alledged 1000?  is there a membership
> > > > list.  i have more domain owners then you have members.
> and you consider
> > > > that representative?
> > > >
> > > > who are these lost soals?
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > joe baptista
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This was virtually the same as our last ballot to confirm
> our name, when
> > > 170
> > > > > people voted.
> > > > >
> > > > > >From this you can deduce that, even though there were a
> dozen quite
> > > detailed
> > > > > questions, the core of our membership wanted to get involved.
> > > > >
> > > > > They also expressed a clear majority wish for more polls
> and regular
> > > polls.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clearly, with a membership of over 1000, you could ask
> "Where are the
> > > rest?"
> > > > >
> > > > > But I think any group like ours attracts sympathetic
> watchers who want
> > > to be
> > > > > members without getting drawn in too deep.
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone can draw their own conclusions.
> > > > >
> > > > > The results are informative, as far as they go.
> > > > >
> > > > > They will help our organisation determine its future, and
> they are a
> > > green
> > > > > light to much more co-operation with other At Large orgs
> around the
> > > world,
> > > > > to build a coalition outside the unpopular ICANN
> structure. They also
> > > > > effectively stop any support from our organisation for
> the RALOs dead in
> > > its
> > > > > tracks.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as the list of names to trust/mistrust goes, I did
> not see this
> > > in
> > > > > advance, but I find it an interesting indicator of
> opinion with regard
> > > to
> > > > > Denise Michel and Esther Dyson's initiative. I don't say
> this as any
> > > > > personal criticism of the people involved. I just think
> that (taken with
> > > the
> > > > > other votes) it demonstrates the opposition that exists
> to a "top down"
> > > > > ICANN agenda.
> > > > >
> > > > > At least we have actively initiated a "bottom up" process.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a shame ICANN won't do the same. It's a shame they
> chose to EXPEL
> > > the
> > > > > elected representatives on their Board. No wonder the
> grassroots of the
> > > At
> > > > > Large don't trust them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Henderson
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
> > > > > To: <[email-masked]>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 4:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ga] Icann At Large Poll rejects RALOs and
> ICANN's new At
> > > > > Largestructure (fwd)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I do not see the results published. I would be interested in the
> > > number
> > > > > > who voted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > [04] We value you like our close relations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > This message was passed to you via the [email-masked] list.
> > > > > Send mail to [email-masked] to unsubscribe
> > > > > ("unsubscribe ga" in the body of the message).
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:23:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: wait a minute - icannatlarge = Joop Teernstra

another incarnation.  an abstract of the second coming of joop teepstra.
well i trust joop within his limitations.  he's a good chap and means
well.

but 1,000 users and only 171 vote.  why is that? thats only 17% and no
majority - hardly worth a mention - or have i missed something - why so
many inactive users.

regards
joe

Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god

    iRADIO.nomad          http://iradio.nomad/

On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Abel Wisman wrote:

> Domain name: ICANNATLARGE.ORG
>
> Registrant Contact:
>    ICANNatlarge.org
>    Hans Klein   ([email-masked])
>    1-404-894-2258
>    FAX: 1-404-894-0535
>    175 15th St. NE
>    Suite PH-4
>    Atlanta, GA 30309
>    US
>
>
> Administrative Contact:
>    ICANNatlarge.org
>    Hans Klein   ([email-masked])
>    1-404-894-2258
>    FAX: 1-404-894-0535
>    175 15th St. NE
>    Suite PH-4
>    Atlanta, GA 30309
>    US
>
>
> Billing Contact:
>    ICANNatlarge.org
>    Hans Klein   ([email-masked])
>    1-404-894-2258
>    FAX: 1-404-894-0535
>    175 15th St. NE
>    Suite PH-4
>    Atlanta, GA 30309
>    US
>
>
> Technical Contact:
>    ICANNatlarge.org
>    Jamie Love   ([email-masked])
>    1.202.387.8030
>    FAX: 1.202.234.5176
>    Consumer Project on Technology
>    P.O. Box 19367
>    washington, DC 20036
>    US
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf
> > Of Joe Baptista
> > Sent: 08 February 2003 22:22
> > To: Richard Henderson
> > Cc: General Assembly of the DNSO; [email-masked]
> > Subject: [ga] Re: wait a minute - icannatlarge = Joop Teernstra
> >
> >
> >
> > and who runs icannatlarge.org
> >
> > if i try to register as a user it tells me to goto
> > icannatlarge.org. unfortunately the whois for that registry
> > is not working.  another fine example of icann stability - so
> > who's behind that?
> >
> > regards
> > joe baptista
> >
> > Domain ID:D90916972-LROR
> > Domain Name:ICANNATLARGE.ORG
> > Created On:04-Oct-2002 18:04:46 UTC
> > Last Updated On:03-Nov-2002 22:58:09 UTC
> > Expiration Date:04-Oct-2003 18:04:46 UTC
> > Sponsoring Registrar:R39-LROR
> > Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
> > Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
> > Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
> > Registrant ID:39-C
> > Registrant Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> > Registrant Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> > Registrant Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> > Registrant City:N/A
> > Registrant Postal Code:N/A
> > Registrant Country:CA
> > Registrant Email:[email-masked]
> > Admin ID:39-C
> > Admin Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> > Admin Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> > Admin Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> > Admin City:N/A
> > Admin Postal Code:N/A
> > Admin Country:CA
> > Admin Email:[email-masked]
> > Billing ID:39-C
> > Billing Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> > Billing Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> > Billing Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> > Billing City:N/A
> > Billing Postal Code:N/A
> > Billing Country:CA
> > Billing Email:[email-masked]
> > Tech ID:39-C
> > Tech Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
> > Tech Street1:Whois Server:whois.enom.com
> > Tech Street2:Referral URL:www.enom.com
> > Tech City:N/A
> > Tech Postal Code:N/A
> > Tech Country:CA
> > Tech Email:[email-masked]
> > Name Server:UK1.ABLE-TOWERS.COM
> > Name Server:UK2.ABLE-TOWERS.COM
> >
> > Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
> >
> >  iNameSpace.Com - Your Source For Inclusive Name Space
> > Domains! http://www.4altdomains.net
> >
> > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > not that i mind - but is this the second coming of Joop Teernstra.
> > > amen.
> > >
> > > Registrant:
> > >    Joop Teernstra
> > >    Cyberspace Association
> > >    422b Beach Road
> > >    Mairangi Bay
> > >    Auckland,  1309
> > >    New Zealand
> > >
> > >    Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
> > >    Domain Name: ICANNATLARGE.COM
> > >       Created on: 20-Feb-02
> > >       Expires on: 20-Feb-03
> > >       Last Updated on: 26-Nov-02
> > >
> > >    Administrative Contact:
> > >       Teernstra, Joop  [email-masked]
> > >       Cyberspace Association
> > >       422b Beach Road
> > >       Mairangi Bay
> > >       Auckland,  1309
> > >       New Zealand
> > >       (649) 479-8110       Fax --
> > >    Technical Contact:
> > >       Teernstra, Joop  [email-masked]
> > >       Cyberspace Association
> > >       422b Beach Road
> > >       Mairangi Bay
> > >       Auckland,  1309
> > >       New Zealand
> > >       (649) 479-8110       Fax --
> > >
> > >    Domain servers in listed order:
> > >       NS5.FASTER.CO.NZ
> > >       NS6.FASTER.CO.NZ
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
> > >
> > >     dot.film domain registration http://www.register.film
> > >     a member of the TLDA http://www.tlda.net/
> > >
> > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Richard Henderson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Joe:
> > > >
> > > > The membership list can be viewed at www.IcannatLarge.com or .org
> > > >
> > > > For a convenient breakdown, by country, I've listed the
> > membership
> > > > here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.theinternetchallenge.com/memberswholelistnames.htm
> > > >
> > > > Or view by Region, here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.theinternetchallenge.com/memberswholelist.htm
> > > >
> > > > Have a nice day -
> > > >
> > > > Richard H
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
> > > > To: Richard Henderson <[email-masked]>
> > > > Cc: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:25 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ga] Icann At Large Poll rejects RALOs and
> > ICANN's new
> > > > AtLargestructure
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Richard Henderson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 171 people took part in the ballot.
> > > > >
> > > > > who are these 170 people or alledged 1000?  is there a
> > membership
> > > > > list.  i have more domain owners then you have members.
> >  and you
> > > > > consider that representative?
> > > > >
> > > > > who are these lost soals?
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > > joe baptista
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This was virtually the same as our last ballot to confirm our
> > > > > > name, when
> > > > 170
> > > > > > people voted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From this you can deduce that, even though there
> > were a dozen
> > > > > > >quite
> > > > detailed
> > > > > > questions, the core of our membership wanted to get involved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They also expressed a clear majority wish for more polls and
> > > > > > regular
> > > > polls.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clearly, with a membership of over 1000, you could ask "Where
> > > > > > are the
> > > > rest?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But I think any group like ours attracts sympathetic watchers
> > > > > > who want
> > > > to be
> > > > > > members without getting drawn in too deep.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone can draw their own conclusions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The results are informative, as far as they go.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They will help our organisation determine its future,
> > and they
> > > > > > are a
> > > > green
> > > > > > light to much more co-operation with other At Large
> > orgs around
> > > > > > the
> > > > world,
> > > > > > to build a coalition outside the unpopular ICANN
> > structure. They
> > > > > > also effectively stop any support from our
> > organisation for the
> > > > > > RALOs dead in
> > > > its
> > > > > > tracks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as the list of names to trust/mistrust goes, I did not
> > > > > > see this
> > > > in
> > > > > > advance, but I find it an interesting indicator of
> > opinion with
> > > > > > regard
> > > > to
> > > > > > Denise Michel and Esther Dyson's initiative. I don't
> > say this as
> > > > > > any personal criticism of the people involved. I just
> > think that
> > > > > > (taken with
> > > > the
> > > > > > other votes) it demonstrates the opposition that exists to a
> > > > > > "top down" ICANN agenda.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At least we have actively initiated a "bottom up" process.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a shame ICANN won't do the same. It's a shame
> > they chose to
> > > > > > EXPEL
> > > > the
> > > > > > elected representatives on their Board. No wonder the
> > grassroots
> > > > > > of the
> > > > At
> > > > > > Large don't trust them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Henderson
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
> > > > > > To: <[email-masked]>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 4:17 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ga] Icann At Large Poll rejects RALOs
> > and ICANN's
> > > > > > new At Largestructure (fwd)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do not see the results published. I would be
> > interested in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > number
> > > > > > > who voted.
> > > > > > >
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