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GA-DIGEST          Sunday, February 2 2003          Volume 01 : Number 1573

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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:06:40 -0000
From: "Richard Henderson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reminder: ALAC looking for NomCom delegates

Do individual At Large members get to *VOTE* on who represents the At Large
on the NomCom?

When does the At Large movement become genuinely representative, and why is
there no democratic process in this "top down" initiative, which ICANN has
introduced to help 'legitimise' its 'reforms' - reforms which include the
expulsion of elected representatives of the At Large from the ICANN Board?

The At Large has been driven out of the Board Room and reduced to a marginal
'advisory' capacity.

This - along with the 'offer' of representation on the "NomCom" - is wholly
unacceptable...

...particularly as there is no individual vote and no democratic
representation.

Do individual At Large members get to *VOTE* on who represents them on the
NomCom?

NO.

Says it all.

yrs,

Richard Henderson

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> As you guys know, the ALAC is currently looking for NomCom
> delegates.  If you have any recommendations on whom you'd like to
> see there, or if you are interested in volunteering yourself, please
> send your CV to [email-masked].  Please include the words
> "NomCom volunteer" in the subject header.
>
> More details are available at http://www.icann.org/
>
> Regards,
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:44:26 -0000
From: "Richard Henderson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Registry NewTLD Evaluation Reports - 9 months and still no sign of them

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HelpThere is *still* no sign of the Registry Evaluation Reports required =
from Afilias and others under Appendix U of the ICANN-Registry =
Agreement.

This was meant to be a central piece of data in the NewTLDs Evaluation =
process, informing all constituencies of the problems that may be faced =
by registries in the introduction of any further TLDs, and giving =
Afilias an opportunity to account for itself, in relation to the .info =
roll-out, which was far from satisfactory.

This key data, mandatory under the terms of the Agreement, has never =
surfaced.

Most of it was meant to be available for publication 9 months ago... =
none of it has been seen.

Stuart Lynn and Vint Cerf were asked about this last May, and again in =
the autumn, when they claimed that ICANN staff hadn't had time to put it =
up on the Internet yet.

It's now February 2003, and it <b>still</b> hasn't materialized.

ICANN makes claims about involving all parties in the discussion process =
leading up to decisions.

In the case of the NewTLDs, Stuart Lynn seems ready to make decisions on =
further NewTLDs, but no constituency has been able to study and draw =
lessons from the Registries' NewTLD Evaluation Reports.

Where are they?

Why are they still unavailable?

How long does it take to FTP pages onto the ICANN website?

The ICANN Board seems to me to be a law unto itself, following or =
ignoring contract elements at will.

You only have to look at the *substance* of the NewTLD fiascos, and the =
way ICANN Agreements were flouted without penalty, to feel very =
concerned about the integrity of the processes which ICANN claims to =
develop for the public good and the fair distribution of the DNS.

It is now over 265 days since I wrote to ICANN's Chief Registrar Liaison =
Officer about concerns I had about the abuse of ICANN's processes. 265 =
days, and repeated posting of some serious issues both at ICANNWatch, =
here on the GA list, and on ICANN's own public forums.

But Dan Halloran has never had the courtesy (or openness?) to answer my =
questions <b>or even acknowledge receipt of my mail</b>.

Sadly, I am left thinking that ICANN does not want to engage in real =
consultation and dialogue. It has its own agenda, and it uses its powers =
to push through that agenda, without accountability, without =
responsiveness, without due acknowledgement of the constraints and =
detail of its contracts.

I do not believe it takes 9 months to put documents on a webpage for =
people to see.

And I believe the representatives of all constituencies have a right to =
see these significant documents.

Richard Henderson

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<DIV>There is *still* no sign of the Registry Evaluation Reports =
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process,=20
informing all constituencies of the problems that may be faced by =
registries in=20
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to=20
account for itself, in relation to the .info roll-out, which was far =
from=20
satisfactory.<BR><BR>This key data, mandatory under the terms of the =
Agreement,=20
has never surfaced.<BR><BR>Most of it was meant to be available for =
publication=20
9 months ago... none of it has been seen.<BR><BR>Stuart Lynn and Vint =
Cerf were=20
asked about this last May, and again in the autumn, when they claimed =
that ICANN=20
staff hadn't had time to put it up on the Internet yet.<BR><BR>It's now =
February=20
2003, and it &lt;b&gt;still&lt;/b&gt; hasn't materialized.<BR><BR>ICANN =
makes=20
claims about involving all parties in the discussion process leading up =
to=20
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ready to=20
make decisions on further NewTLDs, but no constituency has been able to =
study=20
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Reports.<BR><BR>Where=20
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take to=20
FTP pages onto the ICANN website?<BR><BR>The ICANN Board seems to me to =
be a law=20
unto itself, following or ignoring contract elements at will.<BR><BR>You =
only=20
have to look at the *substance* of the NewTLD fiascos, and the way ICANN =

Agreements were flouted without penalty, to feel very concerned about =
the=20
integrity of the processes which ICANN claims to develop for the public =
good and=20
the fair distribution of the DNS.<BR><BR>It is now over 265 days since I =
wrote=20
to ICANN's Chief Registrar Liaison Officer about concerns I had about =
the abuse=20
of ICANN's processes. 265 days, and repeated posting of some serious =
issues both=20
at ICANNWatch, here on the GA list, and on ICANN's own public =
forums.<BR><BR>But=20
Dan Halloran has never had the courtesy (or openness?) to answer my =
questions=20
&lt;b&gt;or even acknowledge receipt of my mail&lt;/b&gt;.<BR><BR>Sadly, =
I am=20
left thinking that ICANN does not want to engage in real consultation =
and=20
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that=20
agenda, without accountability, without responsiveness, without due=20
acknowledgement of the constraints and detail of its =
contracts.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>I do not believe it takes 9 months to put documents on a webpage =
for people=20
to see.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>And I believe the representatives of all constituencies have a =
right to=20
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:20:43 -0000
From: "Richard Henderson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Proposal for ICANN meeting in UK in 2004

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HelpI would like to suggest a venue for the 2004 European Meeting of =
ICANN.

I believe it might be possible to host and accommodate the whole meeting =
at Ashridge House, an idyllic countryside retreat in thousands of acres =
of its own grounds, in England, UK.

Ashridge House is one of Britain's most prestigious business and =
management colleges, with over 70 years experience of hosting major =
meetings. It has acted as host to world leaders, and is within easy =
reach of two UK airports, with railway links nearby, just 30 miles =
outside London. There is a good golf course. There is miles of wooded =
countryside.

Ashridge House was originally a royal monastery in the 13th Century, was =
lived in by Elizabeth I who owned it in the 16th Century, and was =
latterly a "think tank" for the development of political thought, until =
it became a business and management college.

I have a personal link with Ashridge House. My grandfather received an =
OBE for his work at Ashridge, developing it into a modern host for =
meetings on all aspects of business and government.

The superb gardens, privacy and ancient buildings would provide a =
spectacular setting for your guests. In return, Ashridge would benefit =
from your high profile meeting on Internet Governance.

The advantages of this location over a hotel complex cannot be =
over-stated.

Ashridge hosts regular conferences and has excellent facilities.

It is the most British of locations. It is class.

Let me know, if you would be prepared to let me investigate this further =
with you in the coming fortnight.

I live 4 miles walk from Ashridge, and I'd be happy to act as liaison.

With kind regards

Richard Henderson
(Icann At Large panelist)

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would like to suggest a venue for the =
2004=20
European Meeting of ICANN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I believe it might be possible to host =
and=20
accommodate the whole meeting at Ashridge House, an idyllic countryside =
retreat=20
in thousands of acres of its own grounds, in England, UK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ashridge House is one of Britain's most =
prestigious=20
business and management colleges, with over 70 years experience of =
hosting major=20
meetings. It has acted as host to world leaders, and is within easy =
reach of two=20
UK airports, with railway links nearby, just 30 miles outside London. =
There is a=20
good golf course. There is miles of wooded countryside.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ashridge House was originally a royal =
monastery in=20
the 13th Century, was lived in by Elizabeth I who owned it in the 16th =
Century,=20
and was latterly a "think tank" for the development of political =
thought, until=20
it became a business and management college.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a personal link with Ashridge =
House. My=20
grandfather received an OBE for his work at Ashridge, developing it into =
a=20
modern host for meetings on all aspects of business and =
government.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The superb gardens, privacy and ancient =
buildings=20
would provide a spectacular setting for your guests. In return, Ashridge =
would=20
benefit from&nbsp;your high profile meeting on Internet =
Governance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The advantages of this location over a =
hotel=20
complex cannot be over-stated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ashridge hosts regular conferences and =
has=20
excellent facilities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is the most British of locations. It =
is=20
class.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let me know, if you would be prepared =
to let me=20
investigate this further with you in the coming fortnight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I live 4 miles walk from Ashridge, and =
I'd be happy=20
to act as liaison.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With kind regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard Henderson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(Icann At Large=20
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:44:29 -0000
From: "Richard Henderson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] .Name Agreement Appendix I - the separation of Registry and Registrar

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HelpGiven the news that GNR are going to sell .name domains direct =
(through Personal Names.com) as well as acting as Registry (and supplier =
to other registrars) can they confirm, please, that the following =
sections of Appendix I of their agreement with ICANN will be upheld:

http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-appi-03mar01.htm

8. No member of GNR's Board of Directors will simultaneously serve on =
the Board of Directors of an ICANN-Accredited Registrar that obtains =
Registry Services from GNR.

9. No employee of GNR will hold a greater than 5% interest, financial or =
otherwise in a company that obtains Registry Services from GNR.

10. No employee of GNR will also be an employee of any GNR subsidiary, =
affiliate or other related entity that also operates as an =
ICANN-Accredited Registrar.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

My understanding is that Personal Names is accredited as a registrar by =
ICANN. Therefore presumably they will adhere to Clause 8 above. Clause 9 =
speaks for itself. Will Clause 10 also be adhered to?

Thanks for any response to this, as there have been previous conflicts =
involving Registries whose Directors have also run Registrars, involving =
abuse of process.

It will therefore be some reassurance if GNR can confirm their =
commitment to the terms of their ICANN-Registry Agreement.

Richard Henderson

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<P><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><A name=3D8></A>Given the news that GNR are =
going to=20
sell .name domains direct (through Personal Names.com) as well as acting =
as=20
Registry (and supplier to other registrars) can they confirm, please, =
that the=20
following sections of Appendix I of their agreement with ICANN will be=20
upheld:</P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial><A=20
href=3D"http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-appi-03ma=
r01.htm">http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-appi-03m=
ar01.htm</A></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>8. No member of GNR's Board of Directors will =
simultaneously=20
serve on the Board of Directors of an ICANN-Accredited Registrar that =
obtains=20
Registry Services from GNR.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><A name=3D9></A><FONT face=3DArial>9. No =
employee of GNR=20
will hold a greater than 5% interest, financial or otherwise in a =
company that=20
obtains Registry Services from GNR.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><A name=3D10></A><FONT face=3DArial>10. No =
employee of=20
GNR will also be an employee of any GNR subsidiary, affiliate or other =
related=20
entity that also operates as an ICANN-Accredited Registrar.</FONT></P>
<P>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</P>
<P>My understanding is that Personal Names is accredited as a registrar =
by=20
ICANN. Therefore presumably they will adhere to Clause 8 above. Clause 9 =
speaks=20
for itself. Will Clause 10 also be adhered to?</P>
<P>Thanks for any response to this, as there have been previous =
conflicts=20
involving Registries whose Directors have also run Registrars, involving =
abuse=20
of process.</P>
<P>It will therefore be some reassurance if GNR can confirm their =
commitment to=20
the terms of their ICANN-Registry Agreement.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Richard Henderson</P>
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:35:30 +0000
From: James Cronin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Proposal for ICANN meeting in UK in 2004

> I would like to suggest a venue for the 2004 European Meeting of ICANN.
>  
> I believe it might be possible to host and accommodate the whole meeting at
> Ashridge House, an idyllic countryside retreat in thousands of acres of its own
> grounds, in England, UK.

And here's a URL:

http://www.ashridge.org.uk/web/ashridge.nsf/w/conferences

I've used Ashridge for meetings before and concur that it's a good venue.

J.

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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 14:56:52 -0500
From: "vinton g. cerf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Proposal for ICANN meeting in UK in 2004

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Dear Richard,

thank you for this very thoughtful suggestion. I will forward to the
ICANN Board's committee on meetings for their consideration.

I visited the web site - it is a lovely facility.

Sincerely,

Vint Cerf

At 03:20 PM 2/1/2003 +0000, Richard Henderson wrote:
>I would like to suggest a venue for the 2004 European Meeting of ICANN.
> 
>I believe it might be possible to host and accommodate the whole meeting at Ashridge House, an idyllic countryside retreat in thousands of acres of its own grounds, in England, UK.
> 
>Ashridge House is one of Britain's most prestigious business and management colleges, with over 70 years experience of hosting major meetings. It has acted as host to world leaders, and is within easy reach of two UK airports, with railway links nearby, just 30 miles outside London. There is a good golf course. There is miles of wooded countryside.
> 
>Ashridge House was originally a royal monastery in the 13th Century, was lived in by Elizabeth I who owned it in the 16th Century, and was latterly a "think tank" for the development of political thought, until it became a business and management college.
> 
>I have a personal link with Ashridge House. My grandfather received an OBE for his work at Ashridge, developing it into a modern host for meetings on all aspects of business and government.
> 
>The superb gardens, privacy and ancient buildings would provide a spectacular setting for your guests. In return, Ashridge would benefit from your high profile meeting on Internet Governance.
> 
>The advantages of this location over a hotel complex cannot be over-stated.
> 
>Ashridge hosts regular conferences and has excellent facilities.
> 
>It is the most British of locations. It is class.
> 
>Let me know, if you would be prepared to let me investigate this further with you in the coming fortnight.
> 
>I live 4 miles walk from Ashridge, and I'd be happy to act as liaison.
> 
>With kind regards
> 
>Richard Henderson
>(Icann At Large panelist)

Vint Cerf
SVP Architecture & Technology
WorldCom
22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
Ashburn, VA 20147
703 886 1690 (v806 1690)
703 886 0047 fax

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Dear Richard,<br><br>
thank you for this very thoughtful suggestion. I will forward to 
the<br>
ICANN Board's committee on meetings for their consideration.<br><br>
I visited the web site - it is a lovely facility.<br><br>
Sincerely,<br><br>
Vint Cerf<br><br>
At 03:20 PM 2/1/2003 +0000, Richard Henderson wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>I would
like to suggest a venue for the 2004 European Meeting of
ICANN.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I believe it might be possible to host and
accommodate the whole meeting at Ashridge House, an idyllic countryside
retreat in thousands of acres of its own grounds, in England,
UK.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Ashridge House is one of Britain's most
prestigious business and management colleges, with over 70 years
experience of hosting major meetings. It has acted as host to world
leaders, and is within easy reach of two UK airports, with railway links
nearby, just 30 miles outside London. There is a good golf course. There
is miles of wooded countryside.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Ashridge House was originally a royal monastery
in the 13th Century, was lived in by Elizabeth I who owned it in the 16th
Century, and was latterly a &quot;think tank&quot; for the development of
political thought, until it became a business and management
college.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I have a personal link with Ashridge House. My
grandfather received an OBE for his work at Ashridge, developing it into
a modern host for meetings on all aspects of business and
government.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>The superb gardens, privacy and ancient
buildings would provide a spectacular setting for your guests. In return,
Ashridge would benefit from your high profile meeting on Internet
Governance.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>The advantages of this location over a hotel
complex cannot be over-stated.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Ashridge hosts regular conferences and has
excellent facilities.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>It is the most British of locations. It is
class.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Let me know, if you would be prepared to let me
investigate this further with you in the coming fortnight.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I live 4 miles walk from Ashridge, and I'd be
happy to act as liaison.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>With kind regards</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Richard Henderson</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>(Icann At Large panelist)</font></blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Vint Cerf<br>
SVP Architecture &amp; Technology<br>
WorldCom<br>
22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115<br>
Ashburn, VA 20147<br>
703 886 1690 (v806 1690)<br>
703 886 0047 fax<br>
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:10:30 -0800 (PST)
From: George Kirikos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Registry NewTLD Evaluation Reports - 9 months and still no sign of them

- --- Richard Henderson <[email-masked]> wrote:
> There is *still* no sign of the Registry Evaluation Reports
> required from Afilias and others under Appendix U of the
> ICANN-Registry Agreement.

Maybe ICANN staff are too busy working on the appeals of WLS, which
we're still waiting to hear about?

http://www.icann.org/correspondence/brannon-letter-to-lynn-09sep02.htm

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
http://www.kirikos.com/
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Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 10:30:17 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reminder: ALAC looking for NomCom delegates

At 12:06 a.m. 2/02/2003, Richard Henderson wrote:

>Do individual At Large members get to *VOTE* on who represents them on the
>NomCom?
>
>NO.
>
>Says it all.

Hi Richard,

It is up to ourselves to back the organizing of such a vote.

It's easy enough.

Watch this space..

- -joop-

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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:28:03 -0000
From: "Richard Henderson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fascinating bust up on the Registrars Mailing List

Thank you for your reply.

regards,

Richard H

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From: Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]>
To: Richard Henderson <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Fascinating bust up on the Registrars Mailing List

> Hello Richard (Henderson)
>
> I almost didn't reply, but on second thought, I didn't
> want my silence to indicate assent, or a lack of respect.
> I don't know you personally, nor have I met Jefsey in
> person, and I have no particular issue with you.  If I
> sounded sarcastic and a little frustrated, mea culpa, but
> your response demonstrates something for me.  But anyway,
> it is Sunday night, and I am going to sleep soon, so to
> summarize:
>
> 1.  My original point was simply that the "bust up" on
> the registrars mailing list was in my very humble opinion
> exaggerated to the point such that the author of one of the
> quoted emails was taken completely out of context.  There
> was even confusion amongst the registrars, so I can understand.
>
> 2.  The beauty (in my view) of the Afilias model, is that
> although the company is owned by 18 registrars, the shareholder
> registrars have no advantage over non-shareholder registrars.  In
> addition, even the board of directors is not privy to operational
> issues that could potentially give them any information that
> might give them advantage over any other registrar.   So
> although I am the chairman of the board, I have no further
> insight into your particular questions, any more than any
> other registrar that offers .info domains.
>
> 2.a.  I will give you this - in my view there are registrars
> who's business practices challenge what I think ICANN envisioned
> when it established the registrar test-bed, and the supporting
> documents.  However, overall registrar accreditation is dictated
> by ICANN, not the registries.  I do believe that ICANN should
> enforce violations of the registrar accreditation contracts,
> but hey, we don't live in a perfect world...  I understand
> why we are where we are.
>
> 3.  In defense of my sarcasm (with regards to the GA list) I
> admit that it is not constructive, and if anyone wants an
> apology, I will apologize (hey, I am sorry.)  However, I do
> not apologize for the root of this sarcasm which comes from
> frustration.  The vast majority of people (not nameless email
> addresses) that I have worked with throughout the ICANN process
> have ceased to participate in this forum, in my opinion again,
> because the endless search for scandal and "fiendish plotting"
> leads to a witch hunt mentality that frankly is just not
> worth putting up with.  I believe that there are many voices
> (indeed the vast majority) that are quelled because they don't
> want to be bullied by the vocal minority.
>
> Anyway, as I said, it is Sunday night (in Japan) so as
> we say here "oyasuminasai"  (good night, if you are curious.)
>
> Regards,
> Richard (Lindsay)
>
>
> Richard Henderson wrote:
>
> > Hi Richard (Lindsay)
> >
> > If you're Chairman of Afilias, perhaps you'd like to be as open and
vocal
> > about why Registrar members of the Afilias cartel, represented on your
> > Board, abused your own process in the .info roll-out?
> >
> > No-one on the Afilias Board has ever defended the *detail* of that
abuse.
> > Are you willing to enter into a dialogue here on this list over specific
> > detailed allegations, concerns and issues which have been repeatedly
raised,
> > and which Afilias and its associate registrars have refused to answer?
> >
> > Come on, Richard Lindsay, engage in dialogue!
> >
> > Otherwise, little wonder people are concerned about the demonstrable
> > conflict of interest that can arise when registrars and registry are in
> > cahoots!
> >
> > To start with, why did Afilias register the 93 Sunrise domains of
William
> > Lorenz, even though they had "zero" data in the 4 mandatory Trademark
> > fields? Names were ineligible for registration if they didn't have data
in
> > those TM fields (Appendix E of the Registry-Registrar agreement).
> >
> > And why did Afilias shareholders DomainBank (with representative on the
> > Afilias Board) submit those ineligible names for registration, in breach
of
> > the Agreement, only to have them miraculously accepted for registration
by
> > Afilias?
> >
> > And why, when Lorenz requested Afilias and DomainBank *over 20 times* to
> > delete those ineligible names in time for release to legitimate Landrush
> > customers, did Afilias refuse (even though they had powers in the
Agreement
> > to do so, and knew the names were wholly ineligible)?
> >
> > And why are DomainBank (represented on the Afilias Board) still pursuing
> > Lorenz for completion of the payment of $15000 for a product they knew
all
> > along was ineligible, and which they could *never* provide?
> >
> > I could of course ask about other Directors who abused the process, but
> > let's START with this case...
> >
> > You insult participants of this mailing list, but I dare you to enter
into
> > detailed dialogue about these unanswered concerns.
> >
> > No conflict of interest in Afilias Directors running both Registry and
> > Registrars?
> >
> > It is, in the light of demonstrable abuse, at least an issue worth
> > discussing.
> >
> > But will you discuss the real details? If you won't, why should we take
> > *YOU* seriously?
> >
> > yours,
> >
> > Richard Henderson
> >
>
>
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