Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1564
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GA-DIGEST         Wednesday, January 22 2003         Volume 01 : Number 1564

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:34:21 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: ATTN: Julie Cram & Clyde Ensslin

Kristy and all,

  Thank you Kristy for chiming in on this rather bizzar note/letter from
Clyde regarding Jim's existence.  I have never seen such deplorable
nonsense from a government official in my lifetime.

  As Jim is also a user on Ameritech, I am also sure that you can find
his payment record from them also.  He also has a number of domain Names
registered with web sites associated.  I also have spoken with him a number
of times by phone as well and have his personal address in both Illinois
and the Virgin Islands.  Hence I cannot see any reason for such utter
defamation by Mr. Esslin...

Kristy McKee wrote:

> Mr. Fleming was a member of the Life Time Fitness health clubs at one time
> in the recent past.  They (supposedly) keep images of their members (there
> is an image of each member on their card) and would have payment receipts
> from his bank account.
>
> I am sure he is also a tax payer, which would be a much simpler way to
> identify him.
>
> ~k

Regards,
- --
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
================================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [email-masked]
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:42:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Albert Brickel <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: ATTN: Julie Cram & Clyde Ensslin

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In response to the following rants from Jeff (Zombie-Kook) Williams find below some appropriate information: 

FROM: Jason Watkins 

DATE: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) 

TO: <[email-masked]>   [atlarge-discuss] Reminder: Jeff Williams is mentally Ill 

 

Just a reminder and a repost of the Jeff Williams FAQ.  I see that Jeff Williams has been writing not as an individual, but in the plural again.  Using phrases like "At such time as we [INEGroup] have done a complete review" This is just a reminder that INEG group does not exist, that Jeff Williams is not to be taken seriously, and that he speaks only for himself and not for a group of over 100,000 people.  Frankly it is sad, and I wish he would get help.  Regular readers will ignore his inane ramblings, but new readers may be tricked into replying. Among the "nutsy-cukoo" things he has said in the last few weeks are: That he met personally with President George Bush in Waco Texas and that he is having secret email conversations with government officials. Here is the rest of the FAQ: 

Jeff Williams' FAQ. (99/01) 

- -- 1. Who is Jeff Williams? Jeffrey A. Williams,  has claimed in postings to various lists: 

- -- to be the Chief Executive Officer and the Co-Founder of the 4.8 billion dollar privately held employee owned INEG. INC 

- -- to be the Director of Internet Network Engineering and Senior Java/CORBA Engineer for the Information Network Engineering Group, INEG INC. 

- -- to be an ex-IBM Fellow, 

- -- to have to have graduated from UTD and to have a law degree from SMU Law School 

- -- to have three degrees, MBA, Masters in Computer Science and Engineering, and Law 

- -- to have served as a judge for 7 years 

- -- to be a member of the IETF -- to serve on several medium sized business boards and on the boards of several banks 

- -- to be the author of two books and is working on a third 

- -- to own 3 ISPs, including Frisco net, Deltanet and Wiltel, with 1.6 million users 

- -- to have been a fighter pilot with USMC, flying missions in Chile and for the DEA, as a reserve pilot in the USMC, stationed out of Grand Prairie air station just south of Dallas 

- -- to have been acting squadron commander of the Marine combat F4 squadron VMF214 (Black Sheep) at Tan Son Nhut during the Viet Nam war 

- -- to have spent several years in NIS (Naval Investigative Service) 

- -- Graduate of Naval Staff & War College 

- -- Retired Colonel, United States Marine Corps -- to own 8% of eBay 

However, 

- -- Jeff's 'INEG. INC' does not exist except as a fantasy in Jeff Williams' mind. 

- -- Jeff changed the name of the company in his .sig, in Jan 1998, from  'Information Eng. Group' to Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC., when the real Information Engineering Group <http://www.ieg-america.com/>, became aware of Jeff's use of their name. 

- -- SMU Law School Registrar's office, (214) 768-2618, disclaims all knowledge of Jeff. Jeffrey A. Williams is a fake and an imposter. 

- -- 2. Why should I take care in sending private email to Jeff Williams? He may post it to the list. Ironically, in his postings of others' private email so far the content has been counter-productive to his reputation and credibility. You should presume any email to him will posted to the list. 

- -- 3. Is there other material available on Jeff Williams? 

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/03504.html

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05347.html

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05525.html

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08015.html     

Please find below some additional claims he has made in 2002, regarding his exploits: 

1.  worked at CMA (an IT consulting firm) developing management principals (his spelling not mine) 

2.  worked for the United States government on a program called Krypto (must be top secret because a Google search reveals only that it was the dog companion of Superboy) 

3.  worked for Systems Administration, Networking, and Security Institute (sans.org) on BIND security 

4.  worked for the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) in Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) 

5.  worked for the Vietnam Veterans Association 

6.  worked for the Dallas Businessmen's Association (a Google search revealed no such organization) 

7.  worked for the United States Department of Defense as a project coordinator on the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) 

8.  worked for the World Trade Organization on General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) 

9.  worked on the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) 

10.  attended the Economic Summit meeting held by President George. W. Bush in Waco, TX, in August, 2002 

11.  worked for the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) for six (6) years on Internet Protocol Version 6 

12.  flew F-4, F-14, F-18 jets for the United States Marine Corps but is now retired

13.  is a private pilot

14.  to have served as a county judge for 1 year 8 months

15.  has a law degree and specializes in trademark, business, and antitrust law

16.  given award as "Outstanding Texan" by Texas Chamber of Commerce in 1998 (Google search reveals Chamber of Commerce are by city only; there is no Texas State Chamber of Commerce)

16.  performs volunteer police work (and carries a gun!) once a month in the state of Texas

17.  claims membership in both Texas State Republican Party and Texas State Democratic Party Caucuses

18.  his family has six attorneys on retainer, two for him, two for his elderly parents, and one each for his daughters

19.  teaches speed reading and basic reading courses to underprivileged children and adults (where does he find the time to do all this and still rant online?) 

20.  claims to have US$4555 in a trust account held for icannatlarge.org but will not reveal name of bank nor provide any proof of account (and says that he can raise US$100K more with little effort)

21.  is working with Richard Clark, Chairman of the U.S. Critical Infrastructure Protection Board (Cybersecurity Czar) and Andrew Card, Chief of Staff of U.S. President Geo. W. Bush Whitehouse Administration, on cyber security issues

22.  has over 23 years experience starting up companies including non-profit corporations

23.  intimidated and threatened to report a fellow member of ICANNatLarge.org to the U.S. Homeland Security Department and the F.B.I. for making a comment about President Bush (he claims to be on speaking terms with department managements)

The above items are directly from his own statements:

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0207/msg00457.html 

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0208/msg00619.html 

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0208/msg00657.html 

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0209/msg00584.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00641.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00654.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00675.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg01053.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00106.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00200.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00303.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00313.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00410.html

http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc11/msg02724.html 

Some other sources for the "real" Jeff Williams:

http://www.angelfire.com/clone/jeffwilliams/

 

 

 Jeff Williams <[email-masked]> wrote:
Kristy and all,

Thank you Kristy for chiming in on this rather bizzar note/letter from
Clyde regarding Jim's existence. I have never seen such deplorable
nonsense from a government official in my lifetime.

As Jim is also a user on Ameritech, I am also sure that you can find
his payment record from them also. He also has a number of domain Names
registered with web sites associated. I also have spoken with him a number
of times by phone as well and have his personal address in both Illinois
and the Virgin Islands. Hence I cannot see any reason for such utter
defamation by Mr. Esslin...

Kristy McKee wrote:

> Mr. Fleming was a member of the Life Time Fitness health clubs at one time
> in the recent past. They (supposedly) keep images of their members (there
> is an image of each member on their card) and would have payment receipts
> from his bank account.
>
> I am sure he is also a tax payer, which would be a much simpler way to
> identify him.
>
> ~k

Regards,
- --
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
================================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [email-masked]
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801

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<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">In response to the following rants from Jeff (Zombie-Kook) Williams find below some appropriate information: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">FROM: Jason Watkins <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">DATE: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">TO: &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>[atlarge-discuss] Reminder: Jeff Williams is mentally Ill <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">Just a reminder and a repost of the Jeff Williams FAQ.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I see that Jeff Williams has been writing not as an individual, but in the plural again.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Using phrases like "At such time as we [INEGroup] have done a complete review" This is just a reminder that INEG group does not exist, that Jeff Williams is not to be taken seriously, and that he speaks only for himself and not for a group of over 100,000 people.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Frankly it is sad, and I wish he would get help.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Regular readers will ignore his inane ramblings, but new readers may be tricked into replying. Among the "nutsy-cukoo" things he has said in the last few weeks are: That he met personally with President George Bush in Waco Texas and that he is having secret email conversations with government officials. Here is the rest of the FAQ: <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">Jeff Williams' FAQ. (99/01) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- 1. Who is Jeff Williams? Jeffrey A. Williams,<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>has claimed in postings to various lists: <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to be the Chief Executive Officer and the Co-Founder of the 4.8 billion dollar privately held employee owned INEG. INC <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to be the Director of Internet Network Engineering and Senior Java/CORBA Engineer for the Information Network Engineering Group, INEG INC. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to be an ex-IBM Fellow, <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to have to have graduated from UTD and to have a law degree from SMU Law School <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to have three degrees, MBA, Masters in Computer Science and Engineering, and Law <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to have served as a judge for 7 years <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to be a member of the IETF -- to serve on several medium sized business boards and on the boards of several banks <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to be the author of two books and is working on a third <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to own 3 ISPs, including Frisco net, Deltanet and Wiltel, with 1.6 million users <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to have been a fighter pilot with USMC, flying missions in Chile and for the DEA, as a reserve pilot in the USMC, stationed out of Grand Prairie air station just south of Dallas <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to have been acting squadron commander of the Marine combat F4 squadron VMF214 (Black Sheep) at Tan Son Nhut during the Viet Nam war <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- to have spent several years in NIS (Naval Investigative Service) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- Graduate of Naval Staff &amp; War College <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- Retired Colonel, United States Marine Corps -- to own 8% of eBay <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">However, <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- Jeff's 'INEG. INC' does not exist except as a fantasy in Jeff Williams' mind. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- Jeff changed the name of the company in his .sig, in Jan 1998, from<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>'Information Eng. Group' to Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC., when the real Information Engineering Group &lt;http://www.ieg-america.com/&gt;, became aware of Jeff's use of their name. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- SMU Law School Registrar's office, (214) 768-2618, disclaims all knowledge of Jeff. Jeffrey A. Williams is a fake and an imposter. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- 2. Why should I take care in sending private email to Jeff Williams? He may post it to the list. Ironically, in his postings of others' private email so far the content has been counter-productive to his reputation and credibility. You should presume any email to him will posted to the list. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">-- 3. Is there other material available on Jeff Williams? <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/03504.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05347.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05525.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08015.html<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">Please find below some additional claims he has made in 2002, regarding his exploits: <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">1.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked at CMA (an IT consulting firm) developing management principals (his spelling not mine) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">2.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked for the United States government on a program called Krypto (must be top secret because a Google search reveals only that it was the dog companion of Superboy) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">3.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked for Systems Administration, Networking, and Security Institute (sans.org) on BIND security <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">4.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked for the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) in Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">5.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked for the Vietnam Veterans Association <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">6.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked for the Dallas Businessmen's Association (a Google search revealed no such organization) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">7.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked for the United States Department of Defense as a project coordinator on the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">8.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked for the World Trade Organization on General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">9.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked on the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">10.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>attended the Economic Summit meeting held by President George. W. Bush in Waco, TX, in August, 2002 <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">11.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>worked for the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) for six (6) years on Internet Protocol Version 6 <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">12.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>flew F-4, F-14, F-18 jets for the United States Marine Corps but is now retired<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">13.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>is a private pilot<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">14.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>to have served as a county judge for 1 year 8 months<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">15.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>has a law degree and specializes in trademark, business, and antitrust law<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">16.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>given award as "Outstanding Texan" by Texas Chamber of Commerce in 1998 (Google search reveals Chamber of Commerce are by city only; there is no Texas State Chamber of Commerce)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">16.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>performs volunteer police work (and carries a gun!) once a month in the state of Texas<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">17.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>claims membership in both Texas State Republican Party and Texas State Democratic Party Caucuses<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">18.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>his family has six attorneys on retainer, two for him, two for his elderly parents, and one each for his daughters<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">19.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>teaches speed reading and basic reading courses to underprivileged children and adults (where does he find the time to do all this and still rant online?) <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">20.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>claims to have US$4555 in a trust account held for icannatlarge.org but will not reveal name of bank nor provide any proof of account (and says that he can raise US$100K more with little effort)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">21.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>is working with Richard Clark, Chairman of the U.S. Critical Infrastructure Protection Board (Cybersecurity Czar) and Andrew Card, Chief of Staff of U.S. President Geo. W. Bush Whitehouse Administration, on cyber security issues<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">22.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>has over 23 years experience starting up companies including non-profit corporations<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">23.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>intimidated and threatened to report a fellow member of ICANNatLarge.org to the U.S. Homeland Security Department and the F.B.I. for making a comment about President Bush (he claims to be on speaking terms with department managements)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">The above items are directly from his own statements:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0207/msg00457.html <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0208/msg00619.html <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0208/msg00657.html <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0209/msg00584.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00641.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00654.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00675.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg01053.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00106.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00200.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00303.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00313.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00410.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc11/msg02724.html <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">Some other sources for the "real" Jeff Williams:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">http://www.angelfire.com/clone/jeffwilliams/<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT face="Courier New">&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P>&nbsp;<B><I>Jeff Williams &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</I></B> wrote:</P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Kristy and all,<BR><BR>Thank you Kristy for chiming in on this rather bizzar note/letter from<BR>Clyde regarding Jim's existence. I have never seen such deplorable<BR>nonsense from a government official in my lifetime.<BR><BR>As Jim is also a user on Ameritech, I am also sure that you can find<BR>his payment record from them also. He also has a number of domain Names<BR>registered with web sites associated. I also have spoken with him a number<BR>of times by phone as well and have his personal address in both Illinois<BR>and the Virgin Islands. Hence I cannot see any reason for such utter<BR>defamation by Mr. Esslin...<BR><BR>Kristy McKee wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; Mr. Fleming was a member of the Life Time Fitness health clubs at one time<BR>&gt; in the recent past. They (supposedly) keep images of their members (there<BR>&gt; is an image of each member on their card) and would have payment receipts<BR>&gt; from his bank account.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I am sure he is also a tax payer, which would be a much simpler way to<BR>&gt; identify him.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ~k<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>--<BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>================================================================<BR>CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security<BR>Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.<BR>E-Mail [email-masked]<BR>Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>This message was passed to you via the [email-masked] list.<BR>Send mail to [email-masked] to unsubscribe<BR>("unsubscribe ga" in the body of the message).<BR>Archives at http://www.dnso.org/archives.html<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:42:13 -0500
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] The Internet Archive

The Internet Archive (or "Wayback Machine") at
http://archive.org  is down, and it does not respond to my
pings... is this just another coincidence?  Let's hope the
integrity of their data remains unblemished, they are
Archivists after all.

I have heard that the censorship people don't like the
wayback machine much.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:38:10 -0800
From: Mike Roberts <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: BC delegates

Thanks for your note.

I've been a principal with The Darwin Group, a California small 
business corporation, for fifteen years.  I've worked extensively in 
Washington on technology policy matters for higher education, which 
on many occasions has involved small business interests and concerns.

I have been an organizer and founder of half a dozen small non-profit 
corporations in the last twenty-five years.  I have served on a 
number of small corporation Boards, and I have worked for such Boards 
as well.

I believe I am well qualified to bring a small business perspective 
to the Nominating Committee.

As the Nominating Committee begins its work, I would welcome your 
further input.

- - Mike Roberts

Michael M. Roberts
Managing Director
The Darwin Group, Inc.
339 La Cuesta Drive
Portola Valley, CA 94028

At 19:56 -0500 1/20/03, [email-masked] wrote:
>Dear Mike,
>
>I note from the Business Constituency website that you (along with Grant
>Forsyth) are poised to be confirmed as a BC delegate to the ICANN nominating
>committee.  As the BC is charged with the selection of both small and large
>business users delegates, I would ask if you will be the individual
>demonstrably reflecting the business interests and perspectives of the small
>business community?   My assumption is that Grant will be representing the
>Telco interests.  If that is indeed the case, might we know of your record as
>an advocate for small business interests?  I would hate to think that you are
>being given the nod solely due to your insider status in an effort to create
>a self-perpetuating Board.
>
>All the best,
>Danny Younger

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:44:43 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: BC delegates

Mike and all former DNSO GA members,

  As I recall, the SBA while you were at the helm of ICANN as it's
CEO, did not find your leadership very appealing nor considerate
of small business interests in the Internet and ecommerce.

  Hence it strikes me now, as it did than Mike, that such comments
or postulations as to your qualifications are less than adequate
to say the least.

  Your "Selection" is a travesty. I would bet beans to dollars that
if these positions were elected positions by the stakeholders
you would not be elected.

Mike Roberts wrote:

> Thanks for your note.
>
> I've been a principal with The Darwin Group, a California small
> business corporation, for fifteen years.  I've worked extensively in
> Washington on technology policy matters for higher education, which
> on many occasions has involved small business interests and concerns.
>
> I have been an organizer and founder of half a dozen small non-profit
> corporations in the last twenty-five years.  I have served on a
> number of small corporation Boards, and I have worked for such Boards
> as well.
>
> I believe I am well qualified to bring a small business perspective
> to the Nominating Committee.
>
> As the Nominating Committee begins its work, I would welcome your
> further input.
>
> - Mike Roberts
>
> Michael M. Roberts
> Managing Director
> The Darwin Group, Inc.
> 339 La Cuesta Drive
> Portola Valley, CA 94028
>
> At 19:56 -0500 1/20/03, [email-masked] wrote:
> >Dear Mike,
> >
> >I note from the Business Constituency website that you (along with Grant
> >Forsyth) are poised to be confirmed as a BC delegate to the ICANN nominating
> >committee.  As the BC is charged with the selection of both small and large
> >business users delegates, I would ask if you will be the individual
> >demonstrably reflecting the business interests and perspectives of the small
> >business community?   My assumption is that Grant will be representing the
> >Telco interests.  If that is indeed the case, might we know of your record as
> >an advocate for small business interests?  I would hate to think that you are
> >being given the nod solely due to your insider status in an effort to create
> >a self-perpetuating Board.
> >
> >All the best,
> >Danny Younger
>
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Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
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Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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