Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1561
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GA-DIGEST          Monday, January 20 2003          Volume 01 : Number 1561

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:49:47 -0500
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Olympic Hymn [continued]

Using an interesting facility called "The Wayback Machine"
I have found the following regarding the British Olympic
Association's webpages (specifically the contents of the
page now found at:
http://www.olympics.org.uk/olympicmovement/olympicmovement.asp
that is, the page where they are currently displaying my
uncredited translation of Costis Palamas' Olympic Hymn).

Please go here to see what I mean:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.olympics.org.uk/olympicmovement/olympicmovement.asp

The first archived instance of the web page in question is
from Jul 14, 2001, and in the section "Olympic Hymn" it
contains a DIFFERENT translation from the one currently
displayed (i.e. my own).

The second available archive instance is from Aug 05, 2001
and again, it does not contain my version of the
translation but rather, it contains the same one as the
preceeding date.

On Aug. 6, 2001 I sent the following message (containing
my translation) to the Classics-L academic list:
http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu:8080/hyper-lists/classics-l/01-09-01/0217.html
As well, I have a copy of an email I sent to Isidoros at
[email-masked] from Aug 6, 2001 which contains my
translation.  Also, on Aug. 7, 2001 I sent a digitally
certified email to the publisher Aristide Caratzas (as
mentioned in my previous email) which contained my
translation.  On Aug. 8, 2001 I responded onlist on
Classics-L to questions about my translation from Dr.
Rudolph Masciantonio.

The third referenced copy from the "Wayback Machine"
archive of the same BOA web page from Oct 31, 2001 is
unavailable.

The fourth archived instance of the same web page is from
Feb 22, 2002, and it contains MY translation (without any
credit to myself)!

So, my transltion has been on their web site for about 1
year, for sure.  They replaced a previous translation with
my own.

How do you like that?

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:54:16 -0000
From: "Richard Henderson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Would Michael Palage or Vint Cerf care to answer these ones?

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Help
A few questions:

1. When DoC commissioned ICANN to administer the DNS, they stipulated =
that the DNS must be distributed fairly. Does that mean that all domain =
names should be made available to all people on equal terms? And are =
there examples of unfair distribution as a result of ICANN's policies, =
agreements, or failure to implement agreements?

2. When ICANN appointed Afilias as Registry operator for the .info =
namespace, was there potential for conflict of interest, as Afilias was =
a cartel of registrars, and therefore might gain advantage from =
controlling both the Registry and the Registrar end of the domain =
supply? Are there any examples of this conflict of interest, or of =
advantage being gained by Registrars in the cartel, as a result of the =
policies and practices of the Registry?

3. Why did Afilias implement a Sunrise policy that was so open to abuse, =
and was this policy and rules abused by people in Afilias or its cartel =
of registrars?

4. Since Afilias were already aware of the problem with Sunrise by =
August 7th 2001 (if not before) why did they decide to continue allowing =
registrations which were clearly invalid?

5. What specifically were the reasons for ignoring the Domebase Solution =
which would have protected the interests of all parties?

6. Why did Afilias decline to delete ineligible registrations before =
LR1, even when the registrants themselves requested such deletions, both =
directly and via their registrars?

7. Why did at least 2 Afilias Directors make ineligible registrations =
with fake TM details in the Sunrise?

8. Why did DomainBank, part of the Afilias cartel and closely linked to =
Afilias CEO Hal Lubsen, submit a large number of applications with zero =
data in the 4 mandatory TM fields, which was clearly forbidden in =
Appendix E of the Agreement?

9. Why did DomainBank charge over $15000 for a product they knew, under =
the terms of their own Agreement, they could not supply?

10. Why did Afilias (CEO: Hal Lubsen) go ahead and register these names =
for DomainBank, even though they were wholly ineligible, and in breach =
of Afilias's own rules? How can Afilias justify this abuse of process?

11. Is it true that one of the cartel members of Afilias (with a seat on =
the Afilias Board at the time) charged $500,000 to submit 4981 fake =
Sunrise names, with 1899-dated trademarks, and that Afilias declined to =
delete these names when the public heard about this, even after an =
admission of guilt from the registrant, and a request for deletion from =
the Registrar?

12. Is it true that both the .biz2B and the .info LR2 landrushes were =
"gamed" by insiders - both independent registrars and registrars in the =
Afilias cartel? Is it true that some registrars only applied for names =
for themselves and, by submitting very short lists without applications =
from the public, queue-jumped the round-robin system for their own =
benefit? Was this a "fair" way to distribute the DNS? Was it fair to the =
public at large?

13. Is it true that when this "gaming" of the process came to light =
after the .biz2B landrush, both Afilias AND Icann were asked to take =
action to prevent it happening again in LR2? Is it true that the =
Icann-Registrar liaison Dan Halloran was repeatedly asked to respond to =
these concerns about unfair distribution of the DNS? Is it true that 260 =
days later he has not even acknowledged these messages?

14. Is it true that after Afilias were warned about short queues, and =
took no action, their Director Moshe Fogel gained domains.info by =
applying for it through a very short list from his own Registrar company =
(also part of the cartel?)?

15. Is it true that Hal Lubsen the Afilias CEO reserved domain.info for =
his registrar company? Why did DomainBank deserve this desired name more =
than anyone else in the world? Was this fair distribution of the DNS, or =
just an example of a system which favoured certain people?

16. Is it true that Hal Lubsen has never defended the actions of either =
Afilias or DomainBank, or responded in any way to the detail of these =
serious concerns?

17. Is it true that DoC KNEW about all these concerns, but renewed =
ICANN's mandated without reference to them?

18. Is it true that ICANN, in an effort to eliminate critical elements =
within its own organisation, ignored the advice of the ALSC they =
commissioned, that proposed significant participation on the ICANN Board =
by elected representatives of ordinary Internet Users?

19. Is it true that ICANN subsequently decided to EXPEL those elected =
representatives who were already on the ICANN Board?

20. Is it true that, after the General Assembly of ICANN voted =
critically for a re-bid for ICANN's contract with DoC, it was announced =
that the individual membership of the GA would be phased out?

Lastly (though I have omitted probably 100 other questions)...

21. Is it REALLY true that ICANN has fulfilled its mandate to ensure the =
fair distribution of the DNS?

* * * * * * * * * * *

kind regards

Richard Henderson
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A few questions:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. When DoC commissioned ICANN to =
administer the=20
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that=20
mean that all domain names should be made available to all people on =
equal=20
terms? And are there examples of unfair distribution as a result of =
ICANN's=20
policies, agreements, or failure to implement agreements?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. When ICANN appointed Afilias as =
Registry=20
operator for the .info namespace, was there potential for conflict of =
interest,=20
as Afilias was a cartel of registrars, and therefore might gain =
advantage from=20
controlling both the Registry and the Registrar end of the domain =
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gained by=20
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the=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. Why did Afilias implement a Sunrise =
policy that=20
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Afilias=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4. Since Afilias were already aware of =
the problem=20
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continue=20
allowing registrations which were clearly invalid?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5. What specifically were the reasons =
for ignoring=20
the Domebase Solution which would have protected the interests of all=20
parties?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6. Why did Afilias decline to delete =
ineligible=20
registrations before LR1, even when the registrants themselves requested =
such=20
deletions, both directly and via their registrars?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>7. Why did at least 2 Afilias Directors =
make=20
ineligible registrations with fake TM details in the =
Sunrise?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>8. Why did DomainBank, part of the =
Afilias cartel=20
and closely linked to Afilias CEO Hal Lubsen, submit a large number of=20
applications with zero data in the 4 mandatory TM fields, which was =
clearly=20
forbidden in Appendix E of the Agreement?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>9. Why did DomainBank charge over =
$15000 for a=20
product they knew, under the terms of their own Agreement, they could =
not=20
supply?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>10. Why did Afilias (CEO: Hal Lubsen) =
go ahead and=20
register these names for DomainBank, even though they were wholly =
ineligible,=20
and in breach of Afilias's own rules? How can Afilias justify this abuse =
of=20
process?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>11. Is it true that one of the cartel =
members of=20
Afilias (with a seat on the Afilias Board at the time) charged $500,000 =
to=20
submit 4981 fake Sunrise names, with 1899-dated trademarks, and that =
Afilias=20
declined to delete these names when the public heard about this, even =
after an=20
admission of guilt from the registrant, and a request for deletion from =
the=20
Registrar?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>12. Is it true that both the .biz2B and =
the .info=20
LR2 landrushes were "gamed" by insiders - both independent registrars =
and=20
registrars in the Afilias cartel? Is it true that some registrars only =
applied=20
for names for themselves and, by submitting very short lists without=20
applications from the public, queue-jumped the round-robin system for =
their own=20
benefit? Was this a "fair" way to distribute the DNS? Was it fair to the =
public=20
at large?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>13. Is it true that when this "gaming" =
of the=20
process came to light after the .biz2B landrush, both Afilias AND Icann =
were=20
asked to take action to prevent it happening again in LR2? Is it true =
that the=20
Icann-Registrar liaison Dan Halloran was repeatedly asked to respond to =
these=20
concerns about unfair distribution of the DNS? Is it true that 260 days =
later he=20
has not even acknowledged these messages?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>14. Is it true that after Afilias were =
warned about=20
short queues, and took no action, their Director Moshe Fogel gained =
domains.info=20
by applying for it through a very short list from his own Registrar =
company=20
(also part of the cartel?)?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>15. Is it true that Hal Lubsen the =
Afilias CEO=20
reserved domain.info for his registrar company? Why did DomainBank =
deserve this=20
desired name more than anyone else in the world? Was this fair =
distribution of=20
the DNS, or just an example of a system which favoured certain=20
people?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>16. Is it true that Hal Lubsen has =
never defended=20
the actions of either Afilias or DomainBank, or responded in any way to =
the=20
detail of these serious concerns?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>17. Is it true that DoC KNEW about all =
these=20
concerns, but renewed ICANN's mandated without reference to =
them?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>18. Is it true that ICANN, in an effort =
to=20
eliminate critical elements within its own organisation, ignored the =
advice of=20
the ALSC they commissioned, that proposed significant participation on =
the ICANN=20
Board by elected representatives of ordinary Internet =
Users?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>19. Is it true that ICANN subsequently =
decided to=20
EXPEL those elected representatives who were already on the ICANN=20
Board?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>20. Is it true that, after the General =
Assembly of=20
ICANN voted critically for a re-bid for ICANN's contract with DoC, it =
was=20
announced that the individual membership of the GA would be phased=20
out?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lastly (though I have omitted probably =
100 other=20
questions)...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>21. Is it REALLY true that ICANN has =
fulfilled its=20
mandate to ensure the fair distribution of the DNS?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* * * * * * * * * * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>kind regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard Henderson</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:50:20 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Would Michael Palage or Vint Cerf care to answer these ones?

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Help7. Why did at least 2 Afilias Directors make ineligible =
registrations with fake TM details in the Sunrise?

  And Afilias allowed Philipp Grabensee, Afilias Executive Committee =
Member, representing EPAG Enter-Price Multimedia AG to transfer his =
ineligible registrations to new registrants. According to Afilias policy =
these registartions should have been locked for 180 days.=20
  But domain names of Afilias OUTSIDERS are still locked more than one =
year after registration. E.g. hotels.info

        Domain ID:  D17694-LRMS =20
        Domain Name:  HOTELS.INFO =20
        Created On:  31-Jul-2001 01:03:38 UTC =20
        Expiration Date:  31-Jul-2006 01:03:38 UTC =20
        Trademark Name:  hotels =20
        Trademark Date:  2000-03-05 =20
        Trademark Country:  IL =20
        Trademark Number:  153278563 =20
        Sponsoring Registrar:  I.D.R. Internet Domain Registry Ltd. =
(R103-LRMS) =20
        Status:  ACTIVE =20
        Status:  LOCKED =20
        Status:  OK =20

  =
http://afilias.info/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?no_popup_flag=3D1&whois_query_field=
=3Ddomain+HOTELS.INFO

  That is only one example how Afilias and their representatives handle =
their own policy.

  Simon

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<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1"><BASE=20
href=3Dfile://C:\WINDOWS\>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>7. Why did at least 2 Afilias =
Directors make=20
  ineligible registrations with fake TM details in the =
Sunrise?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>And Afilias allowed Philipp =
Grabensee,=20
  Afilias Executive Committee Member, representing EPAG Enter-Price =
Multimedia=20
  AG to transfer his ineligible registrations to new registrants. =
According to=20
  Afilias policy these registartions should have been locked for 180 =
days.=20
  <BR>But domain names of Afilias&nbsp;OUTSIDERS are still locked more =
than one=20
  year after registration. E.g. hotels.info<BR><BR><BR>
  <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
    <TBODY>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Domain ID:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>D17694-LRMS </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Domain Name:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD><A=20
        =
href=3D"file:///C:/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?no_popup_flag=3D1&amp;whois_query_fi=
eld=3Ddomain+HOTELS.INFO"><FONT=20
        color=3D#003399>HOTELS.INFO</FONT></A> </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Created On:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>31-Jul-2001 01:03:38 UTC </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Expiration Date:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>31-Jul-2006 01:03:38 UTC </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Trademark Name:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>hotels </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Trademark Date:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>2000-03-05 </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Trademark Country:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>IL </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Trademark Number:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>153278563 </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Sponsoring Registrar:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD><A href=3D"file:///C:/cgi-bin/registrar-id.cgi"><FONT=20
        color=3D#003399>I.D.R. Internet Domain Registry Ltd.=20
        (R103-LRMS)</FONT></A> </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Status:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>ACTIVE </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Status:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>LOCKED </TD></TR>
    <TR>
      <TD><FONT class=3Dtext>Status:&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD>OK </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://afilias.info/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?no_popup_flag=3D1&amp;whois=
_query_field=3Ddomain+HOTELS.INFO">http://afilias.info/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?=
no_popup_flag=3D1&amp;whois_query_field=3Ddomain+HOTELS.INFO</A><BR><BR>T=
hat=20
  is only one example how Afilias and their representatives handle their =
own=20
  policy.<BR><BR><BR>Simon</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:51:40 -0000
From: "Richard Henderson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Olympic Hymn [arete]

Sotiris!

What a tangled web we weave... and how strange to be touched by your poem in
this barren ghetto with its endless attrition.

"O saeclum insipiens et infacetum"

You fret over your poem, and yet seem to overlook the knowledge it imparts,
in itself and of itself.

Knowledge comes imparted like that, sometimes. When I recall a particular
encounter, an unsolicited encounter ten years ago, what resides and
resonates in my memory is not the spectacular technology and unimagined
power of advanced minds, but simply an awareness:  awareness of
communication, of an untaught knowledge imparted whole. Just suddenly there.

Plato understood this too, in a separate way.

Your poem captures something of the wholeness of another place. it is an
achievement.

Do you seriously think you can control and contain your excellent
translation, once it has been created? Don't you realise the nature of this
web, its repetition of repetitions? Soon, even this forum, this ICANN, will
exist only as one of innumerable parallel worlds.

...or as Borges said:

"The Governor of Yunnun renounced all worldly power to construct a
labyrinth - a labyrinth in which all men would become lost. I imagined it
inviolate. I imagined it infinite. I thought of a labyrinth of labyrinths
that would encompass the past and the future. An invisible labyrinth of
time. To me, a barbarous Englishman, has been entrusted the revelation of
this diaphanous mystery. I read, uncomprehendingly and with fervour, these
words written by a man of my blood : I leave to the various futures my
garden of forking paths. The forking in time. Diverse futures, diverse times
which themselves also proliferate and fork."
"In a riddle whose answer is chess, what is the only prohibited word? I
thought a moment and replied: the word Chess. To omit a word always, is
perhaps the most emphatic way of stressing it."
"In contrast to Newton and Schopenhauer, your ancestor did not believe in a
uniform, absolute time. He believed in an infinite series of times, in a gro
wing, dizzying net of divergent, convergent and parallel times. We do not
exist in the majority of these times; in some you exist and not I; in others
I, and not you; in others, both of us. Time forks perpetually towards
innumerable futures."
"The least things in the universe must be secret mirrors to the greatest.
Every man is on Earth to symbolize something he is ignorant of. I do not
know what right we have to that continuity which is time. Each moment is
autonomous. My life is a flight and I lose everything and everything belongs
to oblivion."

But the significance of your Hymn is that it reaches out from another place.
Inviolable. It has a classic timelessness and dignity.

Just let it go, and the path will fork, and fork. Maybe it is not yours.
Maybe it was given to you.

Outside, the sun shines bright - and your fingers can trace the rough bark -
and a breeze as ancient as Thermopylae feels ardent against your cheek.
Offerings are given up in honour of the gods. You can smell their fragrance
but you cannot bring them back. That is part of the dignity. Part of the
arete or excellence.

Richard H

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From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: [ga] Olympic Hymn [continued]

> Using an interesting facility called "The Wayback Machine"
> I have found the following regarding the British Olympic
> Association's webpages (specifically the contents of the
> page now found at:
> http://www.olympics.org.uk/olympicmovement/olympicmovement.asp
> that is, the page where they are currently displaying my
> uncredited translation of Costis Palamas' Olympic Hymn).
>
> Please go here to see what I mean:
>
http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.olympics.org.uk/olympicmovement/olympicmove
ment.asp
>
> The first archived instance of the web page in question is
> from Jul 14, 2001, and in the section "Olympic Hymn" it
> contains a DIFFERENT translation from the one currently
> displayed (i.e. my own).
>
> The second available archive instance is from Aug 05, 2001
> and again, it does not contain my version of the
> translation but rather, it contains the same one as the
> preceeding date.
>
> On Aug. 6, 2001 I sent the following message (containing
> my translation) to the Classics-L academic list:
>
http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu:8080/hyper-lists/classics-l/01-09-01/0217
.html
> As well, I have a copy of an email I sent to Isidoros at
> [email-masked] from Aug 6, 2001 which contains my
> translation.  Also, on Aug. 7, 2001 I sent a digitally
> certified email to the publisher Aristide Caratzas (as
> mentioned in my previous email) which contained my
> translation.  On Aug. 8, 2001 I responded onlist on
> Classics-L to questions about my translation from Dr.
> Rudolph Masciantonio.
>
> The third referenced copy from the "Wayback Machine"
> archive of the same BOA web page from Oct 31, 2001 is
> unavailable.
>
> The fourth archived instance of the same web page is from
> Feb 22, 2002, and it contains MY translation (without any
> credit to myself)!
>
> So, my transltion has been on their web site for about 1
> year, for sure.  They replaced a previous translation with
> my own.
>
> How do you like that?
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:35:31 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Would Michael Palage or Vint Cerf care to answer these ones? 

Simon and all former DNSO GA members and other interested parties,

  Perhaps you should also direct this to the newest member of the
Afilias BOD, the former "Leader" of the ISOC, one Don Heath?

  Perhaps the DOC/NTIA should also address these inequities and
seemingly breach of contract by Afilias if ICANN won't?

Vint and Don, care to address this amongst a number of other
questionable practices of Afilias?

[email-masked] wrote:

>    Help7. Why did at least 2 Afilias Directors make ineligible
> registrations with fake TM details in the Sunrise?
>
>   And Afilias allowed Philipp Grabensee, Afilias Executive Committee
> Member, representing EPAG Enter-Price Multimedia AG to transfer his
> ineligible registrations to new registrants. According to Afilias
> policy these registartions should have been locked for 180 days.
>   But domain names of Afilias OUTSIDERS are still locked more than one
> year after registration. E.g. hotels.info
>
>
>         Domain ID:  D17694-LRMS
>         Domain Name:  HOTELS.INFO
>         Created On:  31-Jul-2001 01:03:38 UTC
>         Expiration Date:  31-Jul-2006 01:03:38 UTC
>         Trademark Name:  hotels
>         Trademark Date:  2000-03-05
>         Trademark Country:  IL
>         Trademark Number:  153278563
>         Sponsoring Registrar:  I.D.R. Internet Domain Registry Ltd.
> (R103-LRMS)
>         Status:  ACTIVE
>         Status:  LOCKED
>         Status:  OK
>
>
> http://afilias.info/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?no_popup_flag=1&whois_query_field=domain+HOTELS.INFO
>
>   That is only one example how Afilias and their representatives
> handle their own policy.
>
>
>   Simon
>
>

Regards,

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:36:29 -0500
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Olympic Hymn [arete]

At 08:51 PM 1/19/2003 +0000, Richard Henderson wrote:
>Sotiris!
>
>What a tangled web we weave... and how strange to be touched by your poem in
>this barren ghetto with its endless attrition.
>
>"O saeclum insipiens et infacetum"
>
>You fret over your poem, and yet seem to overlook the knowledge it imparts,
>in itself and of itself.

The value of that knowledge is exactly what I am fretting over, 
Richard.  Others get paid handsomely for far more ephemeral produce.  I am 
an Injured Party, have been for at least 11 months and change.

>Knowledge comes imparted like that, sometimes. When I recall a particular
>encounter, an unsolicited encounter ten years ago, what resides and
>resonates in my memory is not the spectacular technology and unimagined
>power of advanced minds, but simply an awareness:  awareness of
>communication, of an untaught knowledge imparted whole. Just suddenly there.

Knowledge comes about as the result a Synthesis of preceeding 
Experience(s).  It doesn't appear out of thin air, just like my translation.

>Plato understood this too, in a separate way.

To be honest, I prefer to hear my Socrates through Xenophon.  Plato doesn't 
carry much weight with me.

>Your poem captures something of the wholeness of another place. it is an
>achievement.

Others get commercial endorsements and big bucks for their achievements 
Richard, I have not.  I have to eat, Richard.  I am only human.

>Do you seriously think you can control and contain your excellent
>translation, once it has been created?

That's what the Laws are there for Richard.  Redress of wrongs 
committed.  I have been wronged.  How many eyes drank in my poem without 
even an acknowledgment of my achievement?  There are plenty of venues for 
this kind of news.

>Don't you realise the nature of this
>web, its repetition of repetitions? Soon, even this forum, this ICANN, will
>exist only as one of innumerable parallel worlds.
>
>...or as Borges said:
>
>"The Governor of Yunnun renounced all worldly power to construct a
>labyrinth - a labyrinth in which all men would become lost. I imagined it
>inviolate. I imagined it infinite. I thought of a labyrinth of labyrinths
>that would encompass the past and the future. An invisible labyrinth of
>time. To me, a barbarous Englishman, has been entrusted the revelation of
>this diaphanous mystery. I read, uncomprehendingly and with fervour, these
>words written by a man of my blood : I leave to the various futures my
>garden of forking paths. The forking in time. Diverse futures, diverse times
>which themselves also proliferate and fork."

I am of Greek heritage and we have a Labyrinth too, but Theseus showed us 
how to get out a long time ago.

>"In a riddle whose answer is chess, what is the only prohibited word? I
>thought a moment and replied: the word Chess. To omit a word always, is
>perhaps the most emphatic way of stressing it."
>"In contrast to Newton and Schopenhauer, your ancestor did not believe in a
>uniform, absolute time. He believed in an infinite series of times, in a gro
>wing, dizzying net of divergent, convergent and parallel times. We do not
>exist in the majority of these times; in some you exist and not I; in others
>I, and not you; in others, both of us. Time forks perpetually towards
>innumerable futures."
>"The least things in the universe must be secret mirrors to the greatest.
>Every man is on Earth to symbolize something he is ignorant of. I do not
>know what right we have to that continuity which is time. Each moment is
>autonomous. My life is a flight and I lose everything and everything belongs
>to oblivion."
>
>But the significance of your Hymn is that it reaches out from another place.
>Inviolable. It has a classic timelessness and dignity.

Thank you, I know.  But it was still STOLEN without my permission and 
displayed where conceivably millions got what you got out of it, and I got 
NOTHING, not even the dignity of a little CREDIT.

>Just let it go, and the path will fork, and fork. Maybe it is not yours.
>Maybe it was given to you.

It came out of my head, Richard.  Nothing could be more mine.

>Outside, the sun shines bright - and your fingers can trace the rough bark -
>and a breeze as ancient as Thermopylae feels ardent against your cheek.
>Offerings are given up in honour of the gods. You can smell their fragrance
>but you cannot bring them back. That is part of the dignity. Part of the
>arete or excellence.

So is GERAS and I want my share for my part

Regards,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

>Richard H
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:49 PM
>Subject: [ga] Olympic Hymn [continued]
>
>
> > Using an interesting facility called "The Wayback Machine"
> > I have found the following regarding the British Olympic
> > Association's webpages (specifically the contents of the
> > page now found at:
> > http://www.olympics.org.uk/olympicmovement/olympicmovement.asp
> > that is, the page where they are currently displaying my
> > uncredited translation of Costis Palamas' Olympic Hymn).
> >
> > Please go here to see what I mean:
> >
>http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.olympics.org.uk/olympicmovement/olympicmove
>ment.asp
> >
> > The first archived instance of the web page in question is
> > from Jul 14, 2001, and in the section "Olympic Hymn" it
> > contains a DIFFERENT translation from the one currently
> > displayed (i.e. my own).
> >
> > The second available archive instance is from Aug 05, 2001
> > and again, it does not contain my version of the
> > translation but rather, it contains the same one as the
> > preceeding date.
> >
> > On Aug. 6, 2001 I sent the following message (containing
> > my translation) to the Classics-L academic list:
> >
>http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu:8080/hyper-lists/classics-l/01-09-01/0217
>.html
> > As well, I have a copy of an email I sent to Isidoros at
> > [email-masked] from Aug 6, 2001 which contains my
> > translation.  Also, on Aug. 7, 2001 I sent a digitally
> > certified email to the publisher Aristide Caratzas (as
> > mentioned in my previous email) which contained my
> > translation.  On Aug. 8, 2001 I responded onlist on
> > Classics-L to questions about my translation from Dr.
> > Rudolph Masciantonio.
> >
> > The third referenced copy from the "Wayback Machine"
> > archive of the same BOA web page from Oct 31, 2001 is
> > unavailable.
> >
> > The fourth archived instance of the same web page is from
> > Feb 22, 2002, and it contains MY translation (without any
> > credit to myself)!
> >
> > So, my transltion has been on their web site for about 1
> > year, for sure.  They replaced a previous translation with
> > my own.
> >
> > How do you like that?
> >
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:06:50 -0500
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Olympic Hymn [arete]

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> >Outside, the sun shines bright - and your fingers can trace the rough bark -
> >and a breeze as ancient as Thermopylae feels ardent against your cheek.
> >Offerings are given up in honour of the gods.

It was no offering, for offerings must be made willingly.

> You can smell their fragrance
> >but you cannot bring them back. That is part of the dignity. Part of the
> >arete or excellence.
>
> So is GERAS and I want my share for my part

Not to mention my share of the KLEOS as well.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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