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GA-DIGEST          Sunday, December 29 2002          Volume 01 : Number 1541

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:50:00 -0600
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Apply for a TM, and make $12000 on a domain you never owned!

But you'll have to pay NAF to help in this little scam...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28676.html

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barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:58:04 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Apply for a TM, and make $12000 on a domain you never owned!

At 04:50 p.m. 28/12/2002, Andy Gardner wrote:

>But you'll have to pay NAF to help in this little scam...
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28676.html

This gets more interesting as you look at the Dispute resolution policies 
now on offer:

"Start Up Opposition Policy" (STOP) is a dispute resolution  policy that we 
have not heard much about.  According to 
http://www.neulevel.biz/stop_overview/stop_overview.html

a. It is an ICANN -adopted Dispute resolution policy
b. It is limited to .biz registrations
c. For a fee (you have to "enroll" in the NeuLevel Intellectual Property 
Claim Service
) Trademark owners can prevail over DN registrants with a lower burden of 
proof of bad faith registrations.

The case itself demonstrates that dispute resolution policies, in the 
absence of binding rules about jurisdiction, still don't "resolve" anything.
The party with the deeper pockets (even if it was unsuccessful in obtaining 
the TM!) can still bully the other party into settlement by threatening to 
start all over again in another jurisdiction.

- -joop-

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:46:15 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Apply for a TM, and make $12000 on a domain you never  owned!

this is common practice.
look at this:

"Furthermore, the Respondent states that, as further evidence of the
Complainant's attempt at reverse hijacking, the Complainant has applied for
various federal trademarks, a list of which appears in Exhibit 6 to the
Response (and taken from the publicly available and web-accessible Trademark
Electronic Search System -- TESS -- provided by the United States Patent and
Trademark Office - "PTO") and includes:

            Serial No.         Reg. No.          Word Mark      Live/Dead

78072101                                SEX.INFO      DEAD

78014925                                SEX.WEB       DEAD

78035833                                SEX.PRO        DEAD

78014928                                SEX.BUY        LIVE

78035843                                SEX.INFO      LIVE

76031958                                SEX.SHOP      LIVE

76031959                                SEX.SHOPS   DEAD

            76092746        2461859          SEX.SHOP      LIVE

Given this, the Respondent contends that "there is no doubt that Mr.
Kalaydjian filed all those trademark applications to reverse hijack the
corresponding domain names from the rightful owners"."
http://sex.shop.steinle.biz
http://www.steinle.law.pro

Regards,
Simon
http://nic.pro.xs2.net - The dotPRO Registry

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joop Teernstra" <[email-masked]>
To: "Andy Gardner" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Apply for a TM, and make $12000 on a domain you never
owned!

> At 04:50 p.m. 28/12/2002, Andy Gardner wrote:
>
>
> >But you'll have to pay NAF to help in this little scam...
> >
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28676.html
>
> This gets more interesting as you look at the Dispute resolution policies
> now on offer:
>
> "Start Up Opposition Policy" (STOP) is a dispute resolution  policy that
we
> have not heard much about.  According to
> http://www.neulevel.biz/stop_overview/stop_overview.html
>
> a. It is an ICANN -adopted Dispute resolution policy
> b. It is limited to .biz registrations
> c. For a fee (you have to "enroll" in the NeuLevel Intellectual Property
> Claim Service
> ) Trademark owners can prevail over DN registrants with a lower burden of
> proof of bad faith registrations.
>
> The case itself demonstrates that dispute resolution policies, in the
> absence of binding rules about jurisdiction, still don't "resolve"
anything.
> The party with the deeper pockets (even if it was unsuccessful in
obtaining
> the TM!) can still bully the other party into settlement by threatening to
> start all over again in another jurisdiction.
>
>
> -joop-
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:06:43 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Specl. Attn Vint Cerf - Re: Where are companies like New.Net represented ?

Jim and all,

  Respectfully to Vint, he is not being completely honest in his
comments.
At one point in '99 he and two of the present GIP  members to Include
Mr. Cochetti and well known financier, George Soros
tried to rip me off for our original donation or $10m.  The E-Mail
exchanges between us I still have on file should they in the future
try to deny or seek legal action against INEGroup for making this
or similar declarations publicly.  Of course I respectfully and
bluntly declined their advances to transfer those funds to either
of them including Vint...

  To than answer your question below Jim, it is seriously doubtful,
and has thus far been shown that the aspin group and the GIP's
efforts behind the scenes has done more to damage that current
structure through ICANN than to aid in the stock prices of
publicly held companies involved in IT.  All one really need
to do is review the past three years history of wcom, IBM
And AT&T stock as examples to see how poorly and destructively
these organizations have effected these companies stock prices.

Techno.C@t wrote:

> http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9909/msg00035.html
> @05:19pm 07/06/99-0400, vinton g. cerf wrote:
> >I would then launch a campaign with GIP, ITAA, Internet Society,
> >and other interested groups on the basis that ICANN must succeed
> >or Internet will be in jeopardy.  This ought to play well with any
> >company whose stock price is dependent on a well-functioning Internet.
> ======
> http://aspeninstitute.org/c&s/ipp.html
> ========================
>
> What does this mean ?
> >or Internet will be in jeopardy.  This ought to play well with any
> >company whose stock price is dependent on a well-functioning Internet.
>
> Does ICANN determine what the stock price of companies will be ?

Regards,
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Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:10:07 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Where are companies like New.Net represented ?

Jim and all,

  As a registrant in .us and several other ccTLD's I don't recall
receiving a ballot in order by which to vote or nominate the candidate
that I or any or our [INEGroup] members might find attractive
or desirable.  Hence I, nor any of our members can ethically or will
recognize any of these falsely and illegitimately elected
representatives
of these people as they were not ethically elected to represent
the stakeholders/users.

  I, and I am sure a number or our members agree that New.net's
registrants would or should consider these people as representatives
for stakeholders/users in the indicated TLD's listed below.

Techno.C@t wrote:

> http://www.dnso.org/constituency/ncmembers.html
>
> Council members elected by the "Commercial and Business Users" Constituency
>   a.. Europe (.uk) - Philip Sheppard [email-masked]
>   b.. NorthA (.us) - Marilyn Cade [email-masked]
>   c.. AsiaPac (.nz) - Grant Forsyth [email-masked]
> Council members elected by the "gTLD Registries" Constituency
>   a.. NorthA (.us) - Roger Cochetti [email-masked]
>   b.. Europe (.se) - Cary Karp [email-masked]
>   c.. AsiaPac (.nz) - Jordyn Buchanan [email-masked]
> Council members elected by the "Internet Service and Connectivity Providers" Constituency
>   a.. LatinAC (.ar) - Antonio Harris [email-masked]
>   b.. Europe (.uk) - Tony Holmes [email-masked]
>   c.. NorthAm (.us) - Greg Ruth [email-masked]
> Council members elected by the "Non-Commercial Users" Constituency
>   a.. AsiaPac (.kr) - Eung Hwi Chun [email-masked]
>   b.. NorthAm (.us) - Harold Feld [email-masked]
>   c.. LatinAC (.pe) - Erick Iriarte [email-masked]
> Council members elected by the "Registrars" Constituency
>   a.. NorthA (.us) - Ken Stubbs [email-masked]
>   b.. Europe (.de) - Philipp Grabensee [email-masked]
>   c.. AsiaPac (.au) - Bruce Tonkin [email-masked]
> Council members elected by the "IntellectualProperty" Constituency
>   a.. NorthA (.us) - J. Scott Evans [email-masked]
>   b.. Europe (.fr) - Laurence Djolakian [email-masked]
>   c.. AsiaPac (.il) - Ellen Shankman [email-masked]
> ===================================================
> http://gnso.icann.org/icannboard.html
> DNSO members of ICANN Board:
>
>   Alejandro Pisanty
>   Amadeu Abril I Abril
>   Jonathan Cohen
>   =============================
>
> Where are companies like New.Net represented ?
> http://www.New.Net
> ...and Name-Space.com....
> ...and many others...
>
> Jim Fleming
> 128-bit DNS is closer than you think...
> IPv16...AN...OZ...AM...NZ...AE...FM...NR...SZ...AC...DE...FI...JM...NO...PS...TV...WZ
> 0:203     ONLINE
> http://ipv8.dyndns.tv
> http://ipv8.dyns.cx
> http://ipv8.no-ip.com
> http://ipv8.no-ip.biz
> http://ipv8.no-ip.info
> http://ipv8.myip.us
> http://ipv8.dyn.ee

Regards,

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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [email-masked]
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:18:47 -0600
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] When was .la redelegated?

http://www.la/2.htm

I can't recall hearing about an upcoming redelegation anywhere?

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barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:54:36 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] When was .la redelegated?

Andy and all former GA members,

  See: http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=1063&mode=thread&order=0
and also see: http://www.iana.org/reports/la-report-11dec02.htm
http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.121100/203460246.htm

  However ICANN did not put anything out on the ICANN announce list,
nor did they notify Sterling prior to the "Negotiations" for redeligation,
as
I understand it...

Andy Gardner wrote:

> http://www.la/2.htm
>
> I can't recall hearing about an upcoming redelegation anywhere?
>
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> Andrew P. Gardner
> barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
> We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
> Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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Regards,

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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [email-masked]
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

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