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GA-DIGEST         Saturday, November 30 2002         Volume 01 : Number 1515

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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:10:35 +0100
From: Vittorio Bertola <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ITU Workshop on Member States' Experiences with ccTLDs

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:54:16 +0100, you wrote:

>The purpose of this open workshop is to begin to work 
>with Member States and Sector Members, recognizing the 
>activities of other appropriate entities, to review 
>Member States' ccTLD and other related experiences, in 
>accordance with Resolution 102, as recently revised at the 
>ITU Plenipotentiary Conference in Marrakesh (2002).

Will ITU require zone transfers too? :-)

Seriously, which output is this workshop expected to produce? Just an
informal exchange of opinions, a written report, policy-making process
suggestions, policy suggestions...? Further details on the long-term
targets of this work would make it easier for some people (for
example, the At Large groups in the various countries) to understand
whether it's important to participate or not.

Thanks,
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:25:03 +0100
From: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [ga] ITU Workshop on Member States' Experiences with ccTLDs

Please see below.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002 12:11
> To: [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] ITU Workshop on Member States' Experiences 
> with ccTLDs
> 
> 
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:54:16 +0100, you wrote:
> 
> Seriously, which output is this workshop expected to produce?

That will depend on the inputs and on the discussions.

> Just an
> informal exchange of opinions, a written report, policy-making process
> suggestions, policy suggestions...? Further details on the long-term
> targets of this work would make it easier for some people (for
> example, the At Large groups in the various countries) to understand
> whether it's important to participate or not.

The target is the one stated in Resolution 102, namely "to work with Member
States and Sector Members, recognizing the activities of other appropriate
entities, to review Member States' ccTLD and other related experiences".

Each group (such as the At Large groups you mention) will have to decide
whether they consider it useful to input their thoughts to this review
process.  Please note that input papers can be submitted by anybody and that
physical participation is not required.

Best,
Richard

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> Thanks,
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:14:04 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Proposal to Icann since my car accident during Icann Shanghai.

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Dear Vinton:

As per your request, I am sending you and other Icann officers an account of 
the car/taxi accident I was involved in while attending the Icann Shanghai 
conference. More importantly I am presenting you and Icann with a proposal to 
avert what happened to me from happening to fellow Icann attendees and making 
future Icann conferences safer.

It was a wet night, my Taxi was hit from the side at around 11pm and I was 
seriously banged up. When the police came about ten minutes later, they were 
only interested in assessing the damage to the cars.  I was conscious but 
somewhat dizzy. I called a friend who speaks Chinese to come and help me 
translate. I asked the police to provide me a doctor or call an ambulance 
immediately numerous times, even at times making the request official as a US 
citizen attending a conference hosted by the Chinese government. They ignored 
my requests. I was made to wait for 55 minutes in the rain until another 
police car came to take me to the hospital, while my head was pounding from 
pain and not knowing if I was bleeding internally, 

At the hospital I was given a CT scan to my head and an X-ray to my neck and 
was told by the attending doctor who did not know what Ibuprofen or an 
anti-inflammatory is that I was OK. Upon my return to the UK I was told by my 
doctor that I had suffered a concussion to the head. 

The service and care I received in the hospital in Shanghai was sickening and 
appalling. I am so fortunate not to have needed any treatment. I won't bore 
you with more detail but suffice it to say my life was jeopardized because 
they were no plans in place to deal with such emergencies. Also, the local 
hosts' authorities may have different standards of care to what we have the 
right to expect at a minimum. And bearing in mind that my presence and the 
presence of every Icann attendees gives the local host international 
recognition, I believe the least we can expect is that our safety is not 
compromised in case of an emergency.

The proposal 

I propose that Icann adopts as part of its policy, an additional requirement 
of the hosting country that a dedicated emergency liaison office is set up 24 
hours/day for the duration of the Icann meeting with liaison officers and 
translators available at all times to liaise with the police, and with 
pre-designated doctors and lawyers with immediate accessibility if and when 
the need arises. To also pre-designate a private clinic and private hospital 
within vicinity of the conference where patients will be treated in an 
emergency. The liaison office must be able to act immediately the reason it 
needs to be manned 24/7. I also propose that the telephone numbers to the 
liaison office and all these services be printed on the Icann ID cards we 
pick up on the first day as well as online with information as what is an 
emergency.

I believe this proposal, as you and I discussed it in person in Shanghai, 
will make Icann conferences safer. I look forward to it being adopted and 
implemented ASAP especially in preparation for the Brazil Icann conference, 
and you can count on my help in making this happen should you need it.

Looking forward to you positive reply.

Best regards,

Khaled Fattal
CEO, IBE limited, UK
President, Waqalat Arbitration Center.
Chairman, Minc
Acting Executive Director, AINC

+44 7041 380 089 w
+44 1932 831 274 Direct line
+44 1932 830 874 fax
+44 7860 866 841 Mobile

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Dear Vinton:<BR>
<BR>
As per your request, I am sending you and other Icann officers an account of the car/taxi accident I was involved in while attending the Icann Shanghai conference. More importantly I am presenting you and Icann with a proposal to avert what happened to me from happening to fellow Icann attendees and making future Icann conferences safer.<BR>
<BR>
It was a wet night, my Taxi was hit from the side at around 11pm and I was seriously banged up. When the police came about ten minutes later, they were only interested in assessing the damage to the cars.&nbsp; I was conscious but somewhat dizzy. I called a friend who speaks Chinese to come and help me translate. I asked the police to provide me a doctor or call an ambulance immediately numerous times, even at times making the request official as a US citizen attending a conference hosted by the Chinese government. They ignored my requests. I was made to wait for 55 minutes in the rain until another police car came to take me to the hospital, while my head was pounding from pain and not knowing if I was bleeding internally, <BR>
<BR>
At the hospital I was given a CT scan to my head and an X-ray to my neck and was told by the attending doctor who did not know what Ibuprofen or an anti-inflammatory is that I was OK. Upon my return to the UK I was told by my doctor that I had suffered a concussion to the head. <BR>
<BR>
The service and care I received in the hospital in Shanghai was sickening and appalling. I am so fortunate not to have needed any treatment. I won't bore you with more detail but suffice it to say my life was jeopardized because they were no plans in place to deal with such emergencies. Also, the local hosts' authorities may have different standards of care to what we have the right to expect at a minimum. And bearing in mind that my presence and the presence of every Icann attendees gives the local host international recognition, I believe the least we can expect is that our safety is not compromised in case of an emergency.<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B><U><BR>
The proposal </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B></U><BR>
<BR>
I propose that Icann adopts as part of its policy, an additional requirement of the hosting country that a dedicated emergency liaison office is set up 24 hours/day for the duration of the Icann meeting with liaison officers and translators available at all times to liaise with the police, and with pre-designated doctors and lawyers with immediate accessibility if and when the need arises. To also pre-designate a private clinic and private hospital within vicinity of the conference where patients will be treated in an emergency. The liaison office must be able to act immediately the reason it needs to be manned 24/7. I also propose that the telephone numbers to the liaison office and all these services be printed on the Icann ID cards we pick up on the first day as well as online with information as what is an emergency.<BR>
<BR>
I believe this proposal, as you and I discussed it in person in Shanghai, will make Icann conferences safer. I look forward to it being adopted and implemented ASAP especially in preparation for the Brazil Icann conference, and you can count on my help in making this happen should you need it.<BR>
<BR>
Looking forward to you positive reply.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Khaled Fattal<BR>
CEO, IBE limited, UK<BR>
President, Waqalat Arbitration Center.<BR>
Chairman, Minc<BR>
Acting Executive Director, AINC<BR>
<BR>
+44 7041 380 089 w<BR>
+44 1932 831 274 Direct line<BR>
+44 1932 830 874 fax<BR>
+44 7860 866 841 Mobile<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:40:46 -0500
From: "vinton g. cerf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Proposal to Icann since my car accident during Icann Shanghai.

Dear Khaled,

First, thank you for taking the time to summarize this very unfortunate event. I imagine it was painful to relive the experience. 

Jonathan, it seems to me that Khaled's proposal or something along its lines is worth exploring with potential hosts for ICANN meetings.

Vint Cerf

At 10:14 PM 11/29/2002 -0500, [email-masked] wrote:
>Dear Vinton:
>
>As per your request, I am sending you and other Icann officers an account of the car/taxi accident I was involved in while attending the Icann Shanghai conference. More importantly I am presenting you and Icann with a proposal to avert what happened to me from happening to fellow Icann attendees and making future Icann conferences safer.
>
>It was a wet night, my Taxi was hit from the side at around 11pm and I was seriously banged up. When the police came about ten minutes later, they were only interested in assessing the damage to the cars.  I was conscious but somewhat dizzy. I called a friend who speaks Chinese to come and help me translate. I asked the police to provide me a doctor or call an ambulance immediately numerous times, even at times making the request official as a US citizen attending a conference hosted by the Chinese government. They ignored my requests. I was made to wait for 55 minutes in the rain until another police car came to take me to the hospital, while my head was pounding from pain and not knowing if I was bleeding internally, 
>
>At the hospital I was given a CT scan to my head and an X-ray to my neck and was told by the attending doctor who did not know what Ibuprofen or an anti-inflammatory is that I was OK. Upon my return to the UK I was told by my doctor that I had suffered a concussion to the head. 
>
>The service and care I received in the hospital in Shanghai was sickening and appalling. I am so fortunate not to have needed any treatment. I won't bore you with more detail but suffice it to say my life was jeopardized because they were no plans in place to deal with such emergencies. Also, the local hosts' authorities may have different standards of care to what we have the right to expect at a minimum. And bearing in mind that my presence and the presence of every Icann attendees gives the local host international recognition, I believe the least we can expect is that our safety is not compromised in case of an emergency.
>
>The proposal 
>
>I propose that Icann adopts as part of its policy, an additional requirement of the hosting country that a dedicated emergency liaison office is set up 24 hours/day for the duration of the Icann meeting with liaison officers and translators available at all times to liaise with the police, and with pre-designated doctors and lawyers with immediate accessibility if and when the need arises. To also pre-designate a private clinic and private hospital within vicinity of the conference where patients will be treated in an emergency. The liaison office must be able to act immediately the reason it needs to be manned 24/7. I also propose that the telephone numbers to the liaison office and all these services be printed on the Icann ID cards we pick up on the first day as well as online with information as what is an emergency.
>
>I believe this proposal, as you and I discussed it in person in Shanghai, will make Icann conferences safer. I look forward to it being adopted and implemented ASAP especially in preparation for the Brazil Icann conference, and you can count on my help in making this happen should you need it.
>
>Looking forward to you positive reply.
>
>Best regards,
>
>
>Khaled Fattal
>CEO, IBE limited, UK
>President, Waqalat Arbitration Center.
>Chairman, Minc
>Acting Executive Director, AINC
>
>+44 7041 380 089 w
>+44 1932 831 274 Direct line
>+44 1932 830 874 fax
>+44 7860 866 841 Mobile

Vint Cerf
SVP Architecture & Technology
WorldCom
22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
Ashburn, VA 20147
703 886 1690 (v806 1690)
703 886 0047 fax

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:38:59 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [fwd] WHOIS Report Posted. (from: [email-masked])

FYI.
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From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:38:43 +0100
Subject: WHOIS Report Posted.
Mail-Followup-To: [email-masked]

The WHOIS Task Force's report is available at the following URL:

	<http://does-not-exist.net/final-report/>

The report will be posted by Glen to the DNSO's web site tomorrow
morning European time.

I'll leave any further official remarks to the co-chairs of the Task
Force.

One persional caveat from a relatively tired "editor" may be in
order, though: Since there was extremely little time for proper
review towards the end of the editing process, I can't rule out the
possibility of editorial errors and misunderstandings which may have
crept in concerning some of the less critical portions of the
report.

If this should have happened, I hope that we can work with the
secretariat to quickly fix any problems until very early next week.
Of course, the council would be informed about any such changes, and
they would be appropriately marked in the published version of the
report.

Note, however, that NO such changes are to be expected with respect
to the core of the report: Chapter 3, which contains the actual
recommendations.

Happy reading, and have a nice week-end.

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