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Date: 19 Nov 2002 14:19:17 +0000
From: Abel WIsman <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ga chair elections

according to http://www.dnso.org/dnso//notes/2002/DNSO-GAchair.html it
was on November 17th 2001 that the chair of the GA and the chair of the
NC with the secretariat of the NC determined the elections for GA and
Alt GA Chair.

The process commenced on the 23d of November.

I kindly suggest to the Chair to initiate the same procedure at this
precise moment in time in agreement with the current ICANN Bylaws
Article VI-B Section 2 (i) 

kind regards

abel wisman

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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:23:26 -0800
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Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

It is well passed time to begin the procedure.

How embarrassing to TR and AS that they do not do this.
They have become a laughing stalk.
Sincerely,
Eric

Abel WIsman wrote:

> according to http://www.dnso.org/dnso//notes/2002/DNSO-GAchair.html it
> was on November 17th 2001 that the chair of the GA and the chair of the
> NC with the secretariat of the NC determined the elections for GA and
> Alt GA Chair.
>
> The process commenced on the 23d of November.
>
> I kindly suggest to the Chair to initiate the same procedure at this
> precise moment in time in agreement with the current ICANN Bylaws
> Article VI-B Section 2 (i)
>
> kind regards
>
> abel wisman
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:44:58 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

On 19 Nov 2002 14:19:17 +0000, Abel WIsman <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>according to http://www.dnso.org/dnso//notes/2002/DNSO-GAchair.html it
>was on November 17th 2001 that the chair of the GA and the chair of the
>NC with the secretariat of the NC determined the elections for GA and
>Alt GA Chair.
>
>The process commenced on the 23d of November.
>
>I kindly suggest to the Chair to initiate the same procedure at this
>precise moment in time in agreement with the current ICANN Bylaws
>Article VI-B Section 2 (i) 

The Board, IIRC, has voted to abolish the GA in its current form so
there is no point in going to new elections because by the time they
could be concluded the jobs will not exist

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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:15:40 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] WHOIS policy issues / accuracy

   I have prepared summaries of the comments the WHOIS task force
   has received on the issues of [1]accuracy of WHOIS data (warning:
   long!), and on [2]bulk access, marketing, resale. The comments on
   accuracy in particular lead to the identification of a number of
   concerns with existing policy. I have tried to summarize some of
   these [3]in a separate document.  (Note that it's not really
   clear to what extent these issues can be attacked in the reaping
   of low-hanging fruits which is currently going on in the WHOIS
   task force.)

References

   1. http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-whois/Arc00/msg00641.html
   2. http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-whois/Arc00/msg00664.html
   3. http://does-not-exist.net/issues-accuracy.html

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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:39:08 +0100 (CET)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: Root Server Operators' Revolution? (Re: [ga] ga chair elections)

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, at 09:44 [=GMT+1300], DPF wrote:

> The Board, IIRC, has voted to abolish the GA in its current form so
> there is no point in going to new elections because by the time they
> could be concluded the jobs will not exist

If we apply the same logic to ICANN itself, we can stop alltogether to
talk about the organization. By the time we reach some conclusion, even if
we are fast, ICANN might not exist any more. The new contract was quite
clear about expectations of DoC regarding visible progress in ICANN's
relations with root server operators (see below: "absolutely curcial").
Two root server operators have recently published plans (see below) as far
as we know completely without consulting ICANN, let alone request its
approval. Neither text even mentions ICANN. It doesn't seem likely that
the root server operators will sign any contracts soon. Are they still
communicating with ICANN, I wonder.

f.root:

http://www.isc.org/ISC/news/pr-11172002.html

k.root:

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/k-root-anycasting.html

In the statement regarding the new contract with ICANN DoC says:

"Given the importance of this issue to Internet security and stability,
Amendment 5 to the MOU refines and underscores the existing MOU task for
ICANN to review the current status of the root server system and to
propose and implement enhanced architecture for root server security
(ICANN Task 5).

!!! The Department considers the completion of this task absolutely
!!! crucial, particularly in today's post-September 11th world.

Amendment 5 sets forth a due date of November 30, 2002 for the report
detailing the root server system's status, and a due date of December 31,
2002 for the enhanced architecture proposal. Additionally, the Department
also strongly urges ICANN and the root server system operators to take
such steps as are necessary to complete negotiation on any pending draft
agreement and execute such agreement no later than December 31, 2002."

(http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/agreements/docstatement_09192002.htm)

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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:00:20 -0500
From: "Michael D. Palage" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] WHOIS policy issues / accuracy

Thanks Thomas excellent resource.

Mike

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Subject: [ga] WHOIS policy issues / accuracy

   I have prepared summaries of the comments the WHOIS task force
   has received on the issues of [1]accuracy of WHOIS data (warning:
   long!), and on [2]bulk access, marketing, resale. The comments on
   accuracy in particular lead to the identification of a number of
   concerns with existing policy. I have tried to summarize some of
   these [3]in a separate document.  (Note that it's not really
   clear to what extent these issues can be attacked in the reaping
   of low-hanging fruits which is currently going on in the WHOIS
   task force.)

References

   1. http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-whois/Arc00/msg00641.html
   2. http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-whois/Arc00/msg00664.html
   3. http://does-not-exist.net/issues-accuracy.html

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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:39:39 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

Abel and all assembly members,

  Glad someone else took notice.  I was wondering when the current
GA chair was going to fulfill his duty here.

Abel WIsman wrote:

> according to http://www.dnso.org/dnso//notes/2002/DNSO-GAchair.html it
> was on November 17th 2001 that the chair of the GA and the chair of the
> NC with the secretariat of the NC determined the elections for GA and
> Alt GA Chair.
>
> The process commenced on the 23d of November.
>
> I kindly suggest to the Chair to initiate the same procedure at this
> precise moment in time in agreement with the current ICANN Bylaws
> Article VI-B Section 2 (i)
>
> kind regards
>
> abel wisman
>
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Date: 20 Nov 2002 01:30:14 +0000
From: Abel WIsman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

With all due respect:

the base for the GA is not only based upon what the board wants and
thinks to begin with.
Unles i am mistaken there is a "likewise" facility of advise proposed.
It does not in any sense take away the usefulness of a GA representing
every constituency and those not in any constituency to discuss matters
ICANN.

Pres. Bush is plannin on ww3, yet i am not digging my grave yet, but
live on in hope of preventing just that.

I suggest we maintain decorum and move forward as is written in the
by-laws until such bylaws have been abolished.

shooting my calves because they will probably drown is against my
principles.

kind regards

abel

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 20:44, DPF wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2002 14:19:17 +0000, Abel WIsman <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
> 
> >according to http://www.dnso.org/dnso//notes/2002/DNSO-GAchair.html it
> >was on November 17th 2001 that the chair of the GA and the chair of the
> >NC with the secretariat of the NC determined the elections for GA and
> >Alt GA Chair.
> >
> >The process commenced on the 23d of November.
> >
> >I kindly suggest to the Chair to initiate the same procedure at this
> >precise moment in time in agreement with the current ICANN Bylaws
> >Article VI-B Section 2 (i) 
> 
> The Board, IIRC, has voted to abolish the GA in its current form so
> there is no point in going to new elections because by the time they
> could be concluded the jobs will not exist
> 
> DPF
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:54:26 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

On 20 Nov 2002 01:30:14 +0000, Abel WIsman <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>With all due respect:
>
>the base for the GA is not only based upon what the board wants and
>thinks to begin with.
>Unles i am mistaken there is a "likewise" facility of advise proposed.
>It does not in any sense take away the usefulness of a GA representing
>every constituency and those not in any constituency to discuss matters
>ICANN.
>
>Pres. Bush is plannin on ww3, yet i am not digging my grave yet, but
>live on in hope of preventing just that.
>
>I suggest we maintain decorum and move forward as is written in the
>by-laws until such bylaws have been abolished.

Sigh - people seem so keen to waste time on the pointless.

The Board has already voted to abolish the GA and this will take
effect automatically upon adoption of the Transition Article in
December.

What would be far more useful to discuss is:

- - Petitioning for an Individual Constituency to join the GNSO
- - Seeking consensus on how best to maintain a discussion forum where
ICANN can be discussed by any interested party

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:57:29 +0100
From: Vittorio Bertola <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:54:26 +1300, you wrote:

>- Seeking consensus on how best to maintain a discussion forum where
>ICANN can be discussed by any interested party

In the long term, as far as I understand, this should be done by the
ALAC (and by the Regional organizations at their level).
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:03:45 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:57:29 +0100, Vittorio Bertola
<[email-masked]> wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:54:26 +1300, you wrote:
>
>>- Seeking consensus on how best to maintain a discussion forum where
>>ICANN can be discussed by any interested party
>
>In the long term, as far as I understand, this should be done by the
>ALAC (and by the Regional organizations at their level).

Yep but lets make sure we don't have a blank gap in between.

Also I think we want to avoid having say five regional discussion
lists and no global one.  The vast majority of issues will be global
not regional.  

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:29:37 +0100
From: Vittorio Bertola <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:03:45 +1300, you wrote:

>Also I think we want to avoid having say five regional discussion
>lists and no global one.  The vast majority of issues will be global
>not regional.  

There has been discussion on this on the ALOC list - other people
raised this point. In fact, in the original framework that we (from
the ALAC-AG) suggested, one third of the ALAC would be filled by
people from "global at large organizations" that would coordinate
through a global forum. In the final design approved by the Board,
these seats have been given to the NomCom, so only the Regional
approach is left; I guess that the idea is to reconsider this once the
mechanism is up and running. However, there must be a mechanism to
allow global discussions (even not atlarge-specific) and to find a
place of participation for global organizations that wouldn't fit in a
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:40:50 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

On 2002-11-20 14:54:26 +1300, DPF wrote:

> - Seeking consensus on how best to maintain a discussion forum
> where ICANN can be discussed by any interested party

While ICANN has indeed abolished the GA as a bylaw element, there's
also the recommendation that the GA mailing list should continue to
be operated by the DNSO until the ALAC can take over.

As I said before, this list won't die.

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:25:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ga chair elections

Then set the schedule for elections as mandated.

(oh and please site and copy the writing abolishing the GA not one 
proposing to abolish)

Sincerely,
Eric

> On 2002-11-20 14:54:26 +1300, DPF wrote:
> 
>> - Seeking consensus on how best to maintain a discussion forum
>> where ICANN can be discussed by any interested party
> 
> While ICANN has indeed abolished the GA as a bylaw element, there's
> also the recommendation that the GA mailing list should continue to be
> operated by the DNSO until the ALAC can take over.
> 
> As I said before, this list won't die.
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