Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1471
From: [email-masked] (GA-DIGEST)
To: [email-masked]

GA-DIGEST          Monday, October 14 2002          Volume 01 : Number 1471

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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:45:24 -0400
From: "Ram Mohan" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ecdiscuss] .EU pre-registration scam

Jeff,
The registry for the .BIZ domain is *not* Afilias -- it is Neulevel, a unit
of Neustar (Neustar is also the registry for the .US ccTLD).

Afilias is the registry for the .INFO gTLD.

- -ram
- --------------------------------------------------------
Ram Mohan
Vice President, Business Operations
Afilias.INFO
p: +1-215-706-5700; f: +1-215-706-5701
e: [email-masked]
- --------------------------------------------------------

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: "Philip VAN GELDER" <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>; "General Assembly of the DNSO" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [ga] Re: [ecdiscuss] .EU pre-registration scam

> Philip and all,
>
>   I hope so!  But there should be no surprise really in this sort of
> occurrence.  The Registry is Afilias for .biz and the registrar is
> Network Solutions.  The proper Technical contact is
> [email-masked]
>
>   This looks allot like another of the Verisign/network solutions scams
> that have been ongoing for awhile now...
>
> See Whois record which is as follows:
> Domain Name: EU-DOMAIN.BIZ
>                  Domain ID: D2304472-BIZ
>                  Sponsoring Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
>                  Domain Status: ok
>                  Registrant ID: 17344903
>                  Registrant Name: Helmut Hackl
>                  Registrant Address1: Hauptplatz 1
>                  Registrant City: Homm
>                  Registrant State/Province: .
>                  Registrant Postal Code: 101010
>                  Registrant Country: Belize
>                  Registrant Country Code: BZ
>                  Registrant Email: [email-masked]
>                  Administrative Contact ID: 17344903
>                  Administrative Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
>                  Administrative Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
>                  Administrative Contact City: Homm
>                  Administrative Contact State/Province: .
>                  Administrative Contact Postal Code: 101010
>                  Administrative Contact Country: Belize
>                  Administrative Contact Country Code: BZ
>                  Administrative Contact Email: [email-masked]
>                  Billing Contact ID: 17344903
>                  Billing Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
>                  Billing Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
>                  Billing Contact City: Homm
>                  Billing Contact State/Province: .
>                  Billing Contact Postal Code: 101010
>                  Billing Contact Country: Belize
>                  Billing Contact Country Code: BZ
>                  Billing Contact Email: [email-masked]
>                  Technical Contact ID: 17344903
>                  Technical Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
>                  Technical Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
>                  Technical Contact City: Homm
>                  Technical Contact State/Province: .
>                  Technical Contact Postal Code: 101010
>                  Technical Contact Country: Belize
>                  Technical Contact Country Code: BZ
>                  Technical Contact Email: [email-masked]
>                  Name Server: NS2.I-NET.AT
>                  Name Server: NS1.I-NET.AT
>                  Created by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
>                  Last Updated by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
>                  Domain Registration Date: Tue Jan 29 14:42:50 GMT 2002
>                  Domain Expiration Date: Wed Jan 28 23:59:59 GMT 2004
>                  Domain Last Updated Date: Tue Jan 29 14:42:53 GMT 2002
>
> ================
>
> Also see Whois record for EU-NIC.BIZ
> which is as listed:
> Domain Name: EU-NIC.BIZ
>                  Domain ID: D1707993-BIZ
>                  Sponsoring Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
>                  Domain Status: ok
>                  Registrant ID: 17344903
>                  Registrant Name: Helmut Hackl
>                  Registrant Address1: Hauptplatz 1
>                  Registrant City: Homm
>                  Registrant State/Province: .
>                  Registrant Postal Code: 101010
>                  Registrant Country: Belize
>                  Registrant Country Code: BZ
>                  Registrant Email: [email-masked]
>                  Administrative Contact ID: 17344903
>                  Administrative Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
>                  Administrative Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
>                  Administrative Contact City: Homm
>                  Administrative Contact State/Province: .
>                  Administrative Contact Postal Code: 101010
>                  Administrative Contact Country: Belize
>                  Administrative Contact Country Code: BZ
>                  Administrative Contact Email: [email-masked]
>                  Billing Contact ID: 17344903
>                  Billing Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
>                  Billing Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
>                  Billing Contact City: Homm
>                  Billing Contact State/Province: .
>                  Billing Contact Postal Code: 101010
>                  Billing Contact Country: Belize
>                  Billing Contact Country Code: BZ
>                  Billing Contact Email: [email-masked]
>                  Technical Contact ID: NEUL-0000505573
>                  Technical Contact Name: Verisign, Inc.
>                  Technical Contact Address1: 21355 Ridgetop Circle
>                  Technical Contact City: Dulles
>                  Technical Contact State/Province: VA
>                  Technical Contact Postal Code: 20166
>                  Technical Contact Country: United States
>                  Technical Contact Country Code: US
>                  Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.8664183684
>                  Technical Contact Email: [email-masked]
>                  Name Server: NS2.I-NET.AT
>                  Name Server: NS1.I-NET.AT
>                  Created by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
>                  Last Updated by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
>                  Domain Registration Date: Fri Nov 16 12:38:27 GMT 2001
>                  Domain Expiration Date: Sat Nov 15 23:59:59 GMT 2003
>                  Domain Last Updated Date: Fri Nov 16 12:39:53 GMT 2001
> ==================
>
> Philip VAN GELDER wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is anything being done to stop this sort of activity?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Philip VAN GELDER
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[email-masked]>
> > To: <[email-masked]>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:42 AM
> > Subject: Preregister your .eu domain now!
> >
> > > >From now on we accept pre-registrations
> > > for the Top Level Domain .eu.
> > >
> > > Pre-register at:
> > >
> > > http://www.eu-domain.biz/english
> > >
> > > All pre-registrations are accepted on the
> > > basis of "first come, first serve". Each domain
> > > can only be pre-registered once.
> > >
> > > [email-masked]
> > >
> > > P.S. pre-register now, tomorrow may be to late!
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > You receive this mail, cause you have requested
> > > info about new top level domains. This is the
> > > only message you receive from us, therefor no
> > > unsubscription or reply is required.
> > >
> > >
>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail [email-masked]
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
>
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:27:05 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ecdiscuss] .EU pre-registration scam

I think we need to adopt new terms of Registry and Registrar.  they no longer
are valid.
e

Ram Mohan wrote:

> Jeff,
> The registry for the .BIZ domain is *not* Afilias -- it is Neulevel, a unit
> of Neustar (Neustar is also the registry for the .US ccTLD).
>
> Afilias is the registry for the .INFO gTLD.
>
> -ram
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Ram Mohan
> Vice President, Business Operations
> Afilias.INFO
> p: +1-215-706-5700; f: +1-215-706-5701
> e: [email-masked]
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Philip VAN GELDER" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: <[email-masked]>; "General Assembly of the DNSO" <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: [ga] Re: [ecdiscuss] .EU pre-registration scam
>
> > Philip and all,
> >
> >   I hope so!  But there should be no surprise really in this sort of
> > occurrence.  The Registry is Afilias for .biz and the registrar is
> > Network Solutions.  The proper Technical contact is
> > [email-masked]
> >
> >   This looks allot like another of the Verisign/network solutions scams
> > that have been ongoing for awhile now...
> >
> > See Whois record which is as follows:
> > Domain Name: EU-DOMAIN.BIZ
> >                  Domain ID: D2304472-BIZ
> >                  Sponsoring Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Domain Status: ok
> >                  Registrant ID: 17344903
> >                  Registrant Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Registrant Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Registrant City: Homm
> >                  Registrant State/Province: .
> >                  Registrant Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Registrant Country: Belize
> >                  Registrant Country Code: BZ
> >                  Registrant Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Administrative Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Administrative Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Administrative Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Administrative Contact City: Homm
> >                  Administrative Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Administrative Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Administrative Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Administrative Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Administrative Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Billing Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Billing Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Billing Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Billing Contact City: Homm
> >                  Billing Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Billing Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Billing Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Billing Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Billing Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Technical Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Technical Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Technical Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Technical Contact City: Homm
> >                  Technical Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Technical Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Technical Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Technical Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Technical Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Name Server: NS2.I-NET.AT
> >                  Name Server: NS1.I-NET.AT
> >                  Created by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Last Updated by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Domain Registration Date: Tue Jan 29 14:42:50 GMT 2002
> >                  Domain Expiration Date: Wed Jan 28 23:59:59 GMT 2004
> >                  Domain Last Updated Date: Tue Jan 29 14:42:53 GMT 2002
> >
> > ================
> >
> > Also see Whois record for EU-NIC.BIZ
> > which is as listed:
> > Domain Name: EU-NIC.BIZ
> >                  Domain ID: D1707993-BIZ
> >                  Sponsoring Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Domain Status: ok
> >                  Registrant ID: 17344903
> >                  Registrant Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Registrant Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Registrant City: Homm
> >                  Registrant State/Province: .
> >                  Registrant Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Registrant Country: Belize
> >                  Registrant Country Code: BZ
> >                  Registrant Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Administrative Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Administrative Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Administrative Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Administrative Contact City: Homm
> >                  Administrative Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Administrative Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Administrative Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Administrative Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Administrative Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Billing Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Billing Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Billing Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Billing Contact City: Homm
> >                  Billing Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Billing Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Billing Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Billing Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Billing Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Technical Contact ID: NEUL-0000505573
> >                  Technical Contact Name: Verisign, Inc.
> >                  Technical Contact Address1: 21355 Ridgetop Circle
> >                  Technical Contact City: Dulles
> >                  Technical Contact State/Province: VA
> >                  Technical Contact Postal Code: 20166
> >                  Technical Contact Country: United States
> >                  Technical Contact Country Code: US
> >                  Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.8664183684
> >                  Technical Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Name Server: NS2.I-NET.AT
> >                  Name Server: NS1.I-NET.AT
> >                  Created by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Last Updated by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Domain Registration Date: Fri Nov 16 12:38:27 GMT 2001
> >                  Domain Expiration Date: Sat Nov 15 23:59:59 GMT 2003
> >                  Domain Last Updated Date: Fri Nov 16 12:39:53 GMT 2001
> > ==================
> >
> > Philip VAN GELDER wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Is anything being done to stop this sort of activity?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Philip VAN GELDER
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[email-masked]>
> > > To: <[email-masked]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:42 AM
> > > Subject: Preregister your .eu domain now!
> > >
> > > > >From now on we accept pre-registrations
> > > > for the Top Level Domain .eu.
> > > >
> > > > Pre-register at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.eu-domain.biz/english
> > > >
> > > > All pre-registrations are accepted on the
> > > > basis of "first come, first serve". Each domain
> > > > can only be pre-registered once.
> > > >
> > > > [email-masked]
> > > >
> > > > P.S. pre-register now, tomorrow may be to late!
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > You receive this mail, cause you have requested
> > > > info about new top level domains. This is the
> > > > only message you receive from us, therefor no
> > > > unsubscription or reply is required.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail [email-masked]
> > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:10:19 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ecdiscuss] .EU pre-registration scam

Ram,

Ram Mohan wrote:

> Jeff,
> The registry for the .BIZ domain is *not* Afilias -- it is Neulevel, a unit
> of Neustar (Neustar is also the registry for the .US ccTLD).

  Woops your right.

>
>
> Afilias is the registry for the .INFO gTLD.

  Right!  my mistake

>
>
> -ram
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Ram Mohan
> Vice President, Business Operations
> Afilias.INFO
> p: +1-215-706-5700; f: +1-215-706-5701
> e: [email-masked]
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Philip VAN GELDER" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: <[email-masked]>; "General Assembly of the DNSO" <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: [ga] Re: [ecdiscuss] .EU pre-registration scam
>
> > Philip and all,
> >
> >   I hope so!  But there should be no surprise really in this sort of
> > occurrence.  The Registry is Afilias for .biz and the registrar is
> > Network Solutions.  The proper Technical contact is
> > [email-masked]
> >
> >   This looks allot like another of the Verisign/network solutions scams
> > that have been ongoing for awhile now...
> >
> > See Whois record which is as follows:
> > Domain Name: EU-DOMAIN.BIZ
> >                  Domain ID: D2304472-BIZ
> >                  Sponsoring Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Domain Status: ok
> >                  Registrant ID: 17344903
> >                  Registrant Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Registrant Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Registrant City: Homm
> >                  Registrant State/Province: .
> >                  Registrant Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Registrant Country: Belize
> >                  Registrant Country Code: BZ
> >                  Registrant Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Administrative Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Administrative Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Administrative Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Administrative Contact City: Homm
> >                  Administrative Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Administrative Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Administrative Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Administrative Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Administrative Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Billing Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Billing Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Billing Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Billing Contact City: Homm
> >                  Billing Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Billing Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Billing Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Billing Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Billing Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Technical Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Technical Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Technical Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Technical Contact City: Homm
> >                  Technical Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Technical Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Technical Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Technical Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Technical Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Name Server: NS2.I-NET.AT
> >                  Name Server: NS1.I-NET.AT
> >                  Created by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Last Updated by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Domain Registration Date: Tue Jan 29 14:42:50 GMT 2002
> >                  Domain Expiration Date: Wed Jan 28 23:59:59 GMT 2004
> >                  Domain Last Updated Date: Tue Jan 29 14:42:53 GMT 2002
> >
> > ================
> >
> > Also see Whois record for EU-NIC.BIZ
> > which is as listed:
> > Domain Name: EU-NIC.BIZ
> >                  Domain ID: D1707993-BIZ
> >                  Sponsoring Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Domain Status: ok
> >                  Registrant ID: 17344903
> >                  Registrant Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Registrant Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Registrant City: Homm
> >                  Registrant State/Province: .
> >                  Registrant Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Registrant Country: Belize
> >                  Registrant Country Code: BZ
> >                  Registrant Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Administrative Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Administrative Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Administrative Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Administrative Contact City: Homm
> >                  Administrative Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Administrative Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Administrative Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Administrative Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Administrative Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Billing Contact ID: 17344903
> >                  Billing Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
> >                  Billing Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
> >                  Billing Contact City: Homm
> >                  Billing Contact State/Province: .
> >                  Billing Contact Postal Code: 101010
> >                  Billing Contact Country: Belize
> >                  Billing Contact Country Code: BZ
> >                  Billing Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Technical Contact ID: NEUL-0000505573
> >                  Technical Contact Name: Verisign, Inc.
> >                  Technical Contact Address1: 21355 Ridgetop Circle
> >                  Technical Contact City: Dulles
> >                  Technical Contact State/Province: VA
> >                  Technical Contact Postal Code: 20166
> >                  Technical Contact Country: United States
> >                  Technical Contact Country Code: US
> >                  Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.8664183684
> >                  Technical Contact Email: [email-masked]
> >                  Name Server: NS2.I-NET.AT
> >                  Name Server: NS1.I-NET.AT
> >                  Created by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Last Updated by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
> >                  Domain Registration Date: Fri Nov 16 12:38:27 GMT 2001
> >                  Domain Expiration Date: Sat Nov 15 23:59:59 GMT 2003
> >                  Domain Last Updated Date: Fri Nov 16 12:39:53 GMT 2001
> > ==================
> >
> > Philip VAN GELDER wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Is anything being done to stop this sort of activity?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Philip VAN GELDER
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[email-masked]>
> > > To: <[email-masked]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:42 AM
> > > Subject: Preregister your .eu domain now!
> > >
> > > > >From now on we accept pre-registrations
> > > > for the Top Level Domain .eu.
> > > >
> > > > Pre-register at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.eu-domain.biz/english
> > > >
> > > > All pre-registrations are accepted on the
> > > > basis of "first come, first serve". Each domain
> > > > can only be pre-registered once.
> > > >
> > > > [email-masked]
> > > >
> > > > P.S. pre-register now, tomorrow may be to late!
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > You receive this mail, cause you have requested
> > > > info about new top level domains. This is the
> > > > only message you receive from us, therefor no
> > > > unsubscription or reply is required.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail [email-masked]
> > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >
> >
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [email-masked]
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:47:33 +0200
From: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution

Please note that the title of the ITU Press highlight has been corrected.
It now reads:

"Internet names: a matter for both government and private sector"

The second sentence has also been corrected, it reads:

"This resolution aims at helping promote the role of Member States in the
internationalization of domain names and addresses of their respective
languages"

Also please note that this Press highlight refers to a resolution concerning
Internationalized Domain Names (IDN) specifically and not domain names in
general.

The corrected press highlight is at:

  http://www.itu.int/newsroom/pp02/Highlights/1010.html

Best,
Richard

- -----------------------------------------
Richard Hill
Counsellor, ITU-T SG2
International Telecommunication Union
Place des Nations
CH-1211 Geneva 20
Switzerland
tel: +41 22 730 5887
FAX: +41 22 730 5853
Email: [email-masked]
Study Group 2 email: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Svensson [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 21:35
> To: DNSO General Assembly
> Subject: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution
> 
> 
> 
> >ITU stakes claim on Internet names
> >
> >The Working Group of the Plenary approved a resolution on 
> the management 
> >of internationalized multilingual domain names. This 
> resolution aims at 
> >promoting the role of Member States in the 
> internationalization of domain 
> >names and addresses of their respective languages. This will 
> be increasingly 
> >important in the coming years as a majority of Internet 
> users is expected 
> >to prefer to conduct online activities in their own 
> language. It is also 
> >important because the current Domain Names System (DNS) 
> mapping does not 
> >reflect the growing language needs of all. The resolution 
> stresses that 
> >the registration and allocation of Internet domain names and 
> addresses 
> >should reflect the geographical and functional nature of the 
> Internet with 
> >an equitable balance of interests of all stakeholders. It 
> also emphasizes 
> >that the non-discriminatory access to Internet domain names 
> and addresses, 
> >and more generally to the Internet, should be available to 
> all citizens 
> >and that the management of Internet Domain Names and addresses is of 
> >concern to both governments and the private sector. It also 
> reiterates 
> >the need to fully maintain country code numbering plans and 
> addresses as 
> >in ITU-T recommendation E.164 which defines the international public 
> >telecommunication numbering plan. Under this resolution, ITU will be 
> >providing assistance to its Member States to promote the use 
> of their 
> >languages for domain names and addresses and will cooperate with the 
> >World Intellectual Property Organization whose role includes 
> protection
> >against misuse of intellectual property rights in the use of 
> countries' 
> >languages for domain names and addresses.
> (http://www.itu.int/newsroom/pp02/Highlights/1010.html)
> 
> Best regards,
> /// Alexander
> 
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:14:56 +0200
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution

On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 09:47:33AM +0200,
 [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote 
 a message of 105 lines which said:

> Please note that the title of the ITU Press highlight has been corrected.

There are still mistakes, for instance the mention of "multilingual
domain names" while IDN is about multiSCRIPT domain names.

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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 05:23:05 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] USA ccTLDs

Can someone please explain just why, dotCOM, dotORG, dotEDU, and dotINT
are not US ccTLDs?

They are controlled by the US gov. they were allocated to/by the US gov.
they are regulated by the US gov. the money must come into the US for
use of domain names therein.  They are administered by US corps.  They
are taxed by US gov. (physical presence is one missing item but there is
plethora of other ccTLDs without this requirement)

I do not see the listing of a two letter country code at the end as a
dignifier of the addressing systems different treatment of the TLDs.  If
I am not mistaken they are just numbers.

So if we type in a name.com.mx we know it is Mexico, fr, vn, ca
etceteras and if we type in something without a suffix we know it is a
US, because we were first to unabashedly commercialize, but they are
still ccTLDs.

ICANN is really only the overseeing manager of US ccTLDs.

Well, responses will be appreciated.

Sincerely,
Eric
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:39:28 +0200
From: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution

Please note that the resolution refers to "Internationalized Domain Names
(IDN)", not to "international" domain names.

You'll have to address your questions to the people who defined
"Internationalized Domain Names (IDN)".  I guess that is IETF, but I may be
wrong.

Best,
Richard

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Richard Hill
Counsellor, ITU-T SG2
International Telecommunication Union
Place des Nations
CH-1211 Geneva 20
Switzerland
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 12:31
> To: [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; Don Evans; cathy 
> Handley; Nancy
> J. Victory; Clyde Ensslin; atlarge discuss list; francis gurry
> Subject: Re: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution
> 
> 
> Richard and all assembly members, stakeholders or other 
> interested parties,
> 
>   Thank you Richard for this interesting update to ITU's IDN 
> resolution.
> 
>   This update brings up some  interesting questions that were 
> not addressed
> in this ITU IDN resolution.
> 
>   Richard, can you explain or define the difference between 
> and International
> Domain Name and a "General Domain Name"?
>  Would for instance fuubar.co.uk be and international Domain Name
> or not?  Or would foobar.net or foobar.org be an 
> international domain names
> or not?  Would for instance foobar.eu be an international Domain Name?
> And, if only Domains in .INT are international Domain Names, are all
> other domains in other name spaces or TLD's, not international?
> Please elaborate in your answer...
> 
> [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> > Please note that the title of the ITU Press highlight has 
> been corrected.
> > It now reads:
> >
> > "Internet names: a matter for both government and private sector"
> >
> > The second sentence has also been corrected, it reads:
> >
> > "This resolution aims at helping promote the role of Member 
> States in the
> > internationalization of domain names and addresses of their 
> respective
> > languages"
> >
> > Also please note that this Press highlight refers to a 
> resolution concerning
> > Internationalized Domain Names (IDN) specifically and not 
> domain names in
> > general.
> >
> > The corrected press highlight is at:
> >
> >   http://www.itu.int/newsroom/pp02/Highlights/1010.html
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Richard Hill
> > Counsellor, ITU-T SG2
> > International Telecommunication Union
> > Place des Nations
> > CH-1211 Geneva 20
> > Switzerland
> > tel: +41 22 730 5887
> > FAX: +41 22 730 5853
> > Email: [email-masked]
> > Study Group 2 email: [email-masked]
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alexander Svensson [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > > Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 21:35
> > > To: DNSO General Assembly
> > > Subject: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >ITU stakes claim on Internet names
> > > >
> > > >The Working Group of the Plenary approved a resolution on
> > > the management
> > > >of internationalized multilingual domain names. This
> > > resolution aims at
> > > >promoting the role of Member States in the
> > > internationalization of domain
> > > >names and addresses of their respective languages. This will
> > > be increasingly
> > > >important in the coming years as a majority of Internet
> > > users is expected
> > > >to prefer to conduct online activities in their own
> > > language. It is also
> > > >important because the current Domain Names System (DNS)
> > > mapping does not
> > > >reflect the growing language needs of all. The resolution
> > > stresses that
> > > >the registration and allocation of Internet domain names and
> > > addresses
> > > >should reflect the geographical and functional nature of the
> > > Internet with
> > > >an equitable balance of interests of all stakeholders. It
> > > also emphasizes
> > > >that the non-discriminatory access to Internet domain names
> > > and addresses,
> > > >and more generally to the Internet, should be available to
> > > all citizens
> > > >and that the management of Internet Domain Names and 
> addresses is of
> > > >concern to both governments and the private sector. It also
> > > reiterates
> > > >the need to fully maintain country code numbering plans and
> > > addresses as
> > > >in ITU-T recommendation E.164 which defines the 
> international public
> > > >telecommunication numbering plan. Under this resolution, 
> ITU will be
> > > >providing assistance to its Member States to promote the use
> > > of their
> > > >languages for domain names and addresses and will 
> cooperate with the
> > > >World Intellectual Property Organization whose role includes
> > > protection
> > > >against misuse of intellectual property rights in the use of
> > > countries'
> > > >languages for domain names and addresses.
> > > (http://www.itu.int/newsroom/pp02/Highlights/1010.html)
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > /// Alexander
> > >
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