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GA-DIGEST          Monday, October 14 2002          Volume 01 : Number 1470

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:24:07 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: The lesson of .INT (Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz)

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, at 19:12 [=GMT-0400], Dan Steinberg wrote:

> ummmmm I have a bit of trouble following this discussion. Can you tell me what
> law (either national law, treaty or regulation enacted under some sort of
> multilateral agreement) must be conformed to in order to preclude someone
> international organization from registering in .org?
>
> Come to think of it...what would define an international organization as such in
> the first place? The Who play all over the world. Are they an international
> organization? The Canadian Relief Fund for Chernobyl VIctims in Belarus(CRFCCB)
> is based in Canada. Are they an international organization?

It takes a treaty and at least 3 member countries, I would think, on the
basis of a look at the existing .INT domains. E.g.

- - eurofish.int

6 members who ratified the treaty, 4 who will, so 10 in all.

- - basel.int

This is according to IANA whois registered to "For more information,
contact [email-masked]". Naturally Basel is on the border of 3
countries.

- - abis.int

Something about the Alps, more than 3 countries (Basel.int is also
near the Alps; Geneva, where WIPO.int is, is in them).

- - palestine.int

IANA whois says the registrant is: "palestine.int Registrant". The
nameservers for this domain are both down when I write this, or perhaps
they don't exist anymore, so looking at the website (if one exists) is
impossible. And we cannot even contact [email-masked] for more
information.

- - sopac.int

This is the "South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission" (which lives in
Suva, Fiji). We all know there are very many independent islands in the
South Pacific. I could not ascertain that there is a treaty, since
www.sopac.int (which does resolve) was unreachable a minute ago from
Europe. Anyone from California who can try?

- - ripe.int

YES, the European brother of ARIN and APNIC! Treaty? Countries? OK, this
must be the exception that confirms the rule as such. (Like GG and JE
among the ccTLDs.)

And what about icann.int? No, IANA whois says:

"Domain icann.int not found."

How can RIPE be _under_ ICANN then?

Maybe we should have a closer look at .INT for more lessons.

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:42:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick Wesson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: The lesson of .INT (Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz)

> - sopac.int
>
> This is the "South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission" (which lives in
> Suva, Fiji). We all know there are very many independent islands in the
> South Pacific. I could not ascertain that there is a treaty, since
> www.sopac.int (which does resolve) was unreachable a minute ago from
> Europe. Anyone from California who can try?

www.sopac.int works from california, PAC-BELL dsl...

- -rick

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:21:05 -0400
From: "John Berryhill" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: The lesson of .INT (Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz)

www.tpc.int

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 02:36:27 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] The 2nd lesson of .INT

Clever (and IANA approved) examples of how to avoid people finding
your address through whois:

* "Address1: 600 meters North from the IPIS-CORONADO Road Crossing"
(iica.int)

* "Address1: PMB GPO" = Post Mail Box General Post Office? (sopac.int)

* IANA Whois Service
Domain: kedo.int [Note by MS: Do not look for a website, or try sending
mail: domain not working, cybersquatter?]
ID: kedo-int

Registrant:
    Name: KEDO
    Organization:
    Address1:
    Address2:
    Address3:
    City:
    State/Province:
    Country:
    Postal Code:
    Phone:
    Fax:
    Email:
    Registration Date: 10-September-2001
    Last Updated Date: 10-September-2001

Administrative Contact:
    Name: David Rosenthal
    Organization:
    Address1:
    Address2:
    Address3:
    City:
    State/Province:
    Country:
    Postal Code:
    Phone:
    Fax:
    Email: [email-masked]
    Registration Date: 10-September-2001
    Last Updated Date: 10-September-2001

Technical Contact:
    Name: ATTGNMC
    Organization:
    Address1:
    Address2:
    Address3:
    City:
    State/Province:
    Country:
    Postal Code:
    Phone:
    Fax:
    Email: [email-masked]
    Registration Date: 10-September-2001
    Last Updated Date: 10-September-2001

Nameserver Information:
    Nameserver: ohcu.oh.mt.np.els-gms.att.net.
    IP Address: 199.191.144.75
    Nameserver: orcu.or.br.np.els-gms.att.net.
    IP Address: 199.191.129.139

Registration Date: 10-September-2001
Last Updated Date: 10-September-2001

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:13:37 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] IPv6 and child pornographers

Jefsey and all assembly members,

J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:

> On 09:53 11/10/02, Stephane Bortzmeyer said:
> >On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 10:29:28PM -0400,
> >Joe Baptista <[email-masked]> wrote
> >a message of 74 lines which said:
> >
> > > I am quoting engineers.
> >Sure, Jeff Williams and Jim Fleming. As we say in French, "Qui se
> >ressemble s'assemble" (Those who looks the same go together).
>
> Without going to that level of abstraction, we have to accept that
> "engineers" have failed the technical test in here. In restricting
> themselves to machines many "engineers" miss the main issue which is the
> network and its interconnectivity with other systems and - most of all -
> with people.
>
> This only shows that IAB has to speed up its thinking on the network
> architecture - so the obvious is entered in the IETF thinking: what rules
> the world is the HNS (Human Naming System) long before the DNS.
>
> - snip -
>
> Now, Stephane; I did not read the paper of Joe. But there is in here a
> strong experience about layer  violations (not only at IETF layers 8 and
> 9). So I will not rebuke Joe and Jeff on this, but I will ask them how IPv6
> can affect security according them  (even if I see several ways, not
> specific to IPv6 but as drawback of the Internet architecture added to more
> possibilities).

  Jefsey and Stephany, I have posted exactly what you have ask for
several times on this forum as well as a member of the IETF WG for
IPv6 see: http://www.ipv6forum.com/  and,
ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/mail-archive
Also see yet again:
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/grp/scs/trip/ietf-mar00-trip.html
And these are just a few, Jefsey and Stehpany...
So start doing your research...  >;)

>
>
> jfc

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:15:11 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: The lesson of .INT (Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz)

John and all assembly members,

  ROFLMAO!  Boy is this a lesson!  >;)   Great job here John!

John Berryhill wrote:

> www.tpc.int
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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 04:38:03 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] RE: The lesson of .INT 

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, at 20:21 [=GMT-0400], John Berryhill wrote:

> www.tpc.int

What's wrong with it? It's very old.

How about efo.int? What is that?

Or adsn.int, which seems to have been replaced by marshallcenter.org, but
still exists. (Don't tell me you know why. It seems it qualifies for a
.MIL domain, for which I would gladly pay $100.) Time for a WG to make a
plan for expiration procedures for .INT?

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 03:56:49 +0100
From: "Jon Lawrence" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Just in case

Eric 

Just exactly what drugs are you on?

jon

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of
[email-masked]
Sent: 11 October 2002 17:57
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Just in case

Hey I am getting some mails that look like they are heading to something
like I do not exist.
Ouch!
I swear I am a Lay Eucharistic Minister, a member of the Order of St.
Lukes, member of  Cursillo and have a Prison Ministry Cross from Kiros
around my neck.
I swear I have degrees from NAU in Philosophy and Business and a
Doctorate from California Western School of Law.  I promise I now live
part time in California and part time in Saigon, I attended school and
lived in both Puebla Mexico and Paris France.  Pierre Salinger was
really my mentor and I worked with teams for pre-NAFTA negotiations.
That really is my picture in whats new on www.it.com.vn  I really caught
that four inch fish and threw it back.
I have drank  beers with such notables as Joop, Danny, Karl, Vanny and
YJ and argued with Ester face to face.
Oh yea Elizabeth P. called me an american chauvinist in French, I think
she thought I did not understand French and that I was trying to pick up
on her.
So please do not suggest I am a fraud.
Sincerely,
Eric

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 04:47:17 +0200 (CEST)
From: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] .INT lessons: Take 3 (Outer Space)

Internet into e-space doesn't work yet. Mail for espace.int comes back
with the message "Too many hops" (see below). Dr. Cerf?

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 03:26:43 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details

The original message was received at Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:53:41 +0200 (MET DST)
from dakiya.Austria.EU.net [193.154.160.117]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[email-masked]>
    (reason: 554 5.4.6 Too many hops)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 5.4.6 Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <[email-masked]> via localhost, to <[email-masked]>

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 04:24:47 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: The lesson of .INT (Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz)

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, at 16:42 [=GMT-0700], Rick Wesson wrote:

> www.sopac.int works from california, PAC-BELL dsl...

Thanks, I could just reach it too. And I was happy that its address in
IANA whois was clarified on the website:

PMB GPO = Private Mail Bag, GPO

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:37:00 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Just in case

bless you and may God keep you from all injury or misfortune.
Bright skies, moonlight walks, love and children are the exact drugs.
be good to your self.
peace,
e

Jon Lawrence wrote:

> Eric
>
> Just exactly what drugs are you on?
>
> jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of
> [email-masked]
> Sent: 11 October 2002 17:57
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [ga] Just in case
>
> Hey I am getting some mails that look like they are heading to something
> like I do not exist.
> Ouch!
> I swear I am a Lay Eucharistic Minister, a member of the Order of St.
> Lukes, member of  Cursillo and have a Prison Ministry Cross from Kiros
> around my neck.
> I swear I have degrees from NAU in Philosophy and Business and a
> Doctorate from California Western School of Law.  I promise I now live
> part time in California and part time in Saigon, I attended school and
> lived in both Puebla Mexico and Paris France.  Pierre Salinger was
> really my mentor and I worked with teams for pre-NAFTA negotiations.
> That really is my picture in whats new on www.it.com.vn  I really caught
> that four inch fish and threw it back.
> I have drank  beers with such notables as Joop, Danny, Karl, Vanny and
> YJ and argued with Ester face to face.
> Oh yea Elizabeth P. called me an american chauvinist in French, I think
> she thought I did not understand French and that I was trying to pick up
> on her.
> So please do not suggest I am a fraud.
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:03:59 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: The lesson of .INT (Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz)

On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 01:24:07AM +0200, Marc Schneiders wrote:
> - ripe.int
> 
> YES, the European brother of ARIN and APNIC! Treaty? Countries? OK, this
> must be the exception that confirms the rule as such. (Like GG and JE
> among the ccTLDs.)

Indeed.  There are several legacy domains in .int that don't meet the 
criteria. 

Kent

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:16:12 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: The lesson of .INT (Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz)

On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 01:24:07AM +0200, Marc Schneiders wrote:

> It takes a treaty and at least 3 member countries, I would think, on the
> basis of a look at the existing .INT domains. E.g.

See http://www.iana.org/int-dom/ for a description of the policies. 
There are several legacy domains in the .int TLD that do not meet those
requirements.

Kent
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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:40:41 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] TLD versus Domains

Somewhere a decision was made to use domain names as opposed to giving
"companies" TLDs.

I really cannot see the logic.  Where and when was this decision made?
Who made it?
Why is it not, .GM,  .MB, .GQ?  Maybe someone knows and can refer me.

e

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:23:35 +0200
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] TLD versus Domains

On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 06:40:41AM -0700,
 [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote 
 a message of 14 lines which said:

> Somewhere a decision was made to use domain names as opposed to giving
> "companies" TLDs.

Yes, the DNS is hierarchical. I regret AppleTalk Name Binding
Protocol, which is/was not.

> Who made it?

Secret deal with the extra-terrestrials?

> Why is it not, .GM,  .MB, .GQ?

It would mean that the root will have the problems of .com, no more,
no less. 

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:49:42 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: The lesson of .INT (Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz)

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, at 22:03 [=GMT-0700], [email-masked] wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 01:24:07AM +0200, Marc Schneiders wrote:
> > - ripe.int
> >
> > YES, the European brother of ARIN and APNIC! Treaty? Countries? OK, this
> > must be the exception that confirms the rule as such. (Like GG and JE
> > among the ccTLDs.)
>
> Indeed.  There are several legacy domains in .int that don't meet the
> criteria.

Legacy? You mean before ICANN took the responsibility for .INT?

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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:06:02 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [ecdiscuss] .EU pre-registration scam

Philip and all,

  I hope so!  But there should be no surprise really in this sort of
occurrence.  The Registry is Afilias for .biz and the registrar is
Network Solutions.  The proper Technical contact is
[email-masked]

  This looks allot like another of the Verisign/network solutions scams
that have been ongoing for awhile now...

See Whois record which is as follows:
Domain Name: EU-DOMAIN.BIZ
                 Domain ID: D2304472-BIZ
                 Sponsoring Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
                 Domain Status: ok
                 Registrant ID: 17344903
                 Registrant Name: Helmut Hackl
                 Registrant Address1: Hauptplatz 1
                 Registrant City: Homm
                 Registrant State/Province: .
                 Registrant Postal Code: 101010
                 Registrant Country: Belize
                 Registrant Country Code: BZ
                 Registrant Email: [email-masked]
                 Administrative Contact ID: 17344903
                 Administrative Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
                 Administrative Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
                 Administrative Contact City: Homm
                 Administrative Contact State/Province: .
                 Administrative Contact Postal Code: 101010
                 Administrative Contact Country: Belize
                 Administrative Contact Country Code: BZ
                 Administrative Contact Email: [email-masked]
                 Billing Contact ID: 17344903
                 Billing Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
                 Billing Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
                 Billing Contact City: Homm
                 Billing Contact State/Province: .
                 Billing Contact Postal Code: 101010
                 Billing Contact Country: Belize
                 Billing Contact Country Code: BZ
                 Billing Contact Email: [email-masked]
                 Technical Contact ID: 17344903
                 Technical Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
                 Technical Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
                 Technical Contact City: Homm
                 Technical Contact State/Province: .
                 Technical Contact Postal Code: 101010
                 Technical Contact Country: Belize
                 Technical Contact Country Code: BZ
                 Technical Contact Email: [email-masked]
                 Name Server: NS2.I-NET.AT
                 Name Server: NS1.I-NET.AT
                 Created by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
                 Last Updated by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
                 Domain Registration Date: Tue Jan 29 14:42:50 GMT 2002
                 Domain Expiration Date: Wed Jan 28 23:59:59 GMT 2004
                 Domain Last Updated Date: Tue Jan 29 14:42:53 GMT 2002

================

Also see Whois record for EU-NIC.BIZ
which is as listed:
Domain Name: EU-NIC.BIZ
                 Domain ID: D1707993-BIZ
                 Sponsoring Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
                 Domain Status: ok
                 Registrant ID: 17344903
                 Registrant Name: Helmut Hackl
                 Registrant Address1: Hauptplatz 1
                 Registrant City: Homm
                 Registrant State/Province: .
                 Registrant Postal Code: 101010
                 Registrant Country: Belize
                 Registrant Country Code: BZ
                 Registrant Email: [email-masked]
                 Administrative Contact ID: 17344903
                 Administrative Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
                 Administrative Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
                 Administrative Contact City: Homm
                 Administrative Contact State/Province: .
                 Administrative Contact Postal Code: 101010
                 Administrative Contact Country: Belize
                 Administrative Contact Country Code: BZ
                 Administrative Contact Email: [email-masked]
                 Billing Contact ID: 17344903
                 Billing Contact Name: Helmut Hackl
                 Billing Contact Address1: Hauptplatz 1
                 Billing Contact City: Homm
                 Billing Contact State/Province: .
                 Billing Contact Postal Code: 101010
                 Billing Contact Country: Belize
                 Billing Contact Country Code: BZ
                 Billing Contact Email: [email-masked]
                 Technical Contact ID: NEUL-0000505573
                 Technical Contact Name: Verisign, Inc.
                 Technical Contact Address1: 21355 Ridgetop Circle
                 Technical Contact City: Dulles
                 Technical Contact State/Province: VA
                 Technical Contact Postal Code: 20166
                 Technical Contact Country: United States
                 Technical Contact Country Code: US
                 Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.8664183684
                 Technical Contact Email: [email-masked]
                 Name Server: NS2.I-NET.AT
                 Name Server: NS1.I-NET.AT
                 Created by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
                 Last Updated by Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS INC.
                 Domain Registration Date: Fri Nov 16 12:38:27 GMT 2001
                 Domain Expiration Date: Sat Nov 15 23:59:59 GMT 2003
                 Domain Last Updated Date: Fri Nov 16 12:39:53 GMT 2001
==================

Philip VAN GELDER wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is anything being done to stop this sort of activity?
>
> Cheers
> Philip VAN GELDER
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:42 AM
> Subject: Preregister your .eu domain now!
>
> > >From now on we accept pre-registrations
> > for the Top Level Domain .eu.
> >
> > Pre-register at:
> >
> > http://www.eu-domain.biz/english
> >
> > All pre-registrations are accepted on the
> > basis of "first come, first serve". Each domain
> > can only be pre-registered once.
> >
> > [email-masked]
> >
> > P.S. pre-register now, tomorrow may be to late!
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > You receive this mail, cause you have requested
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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