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GA-DIGEST          Friday, October 11 2002          Volume 01 : Number 1468

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:04:59 +0200
From: ADD-CT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

The Mullah says:

> Domain name registrars should be required only to recognize truly
> legitimate countries.

unfortunately, a lot of countries has been legitimated after an unjust 
war.
Will we legitimate the war? Do we want to convert the Internet in a 
replica of the stupid organization of the 'real' world?

Those conquered people have lost their identity in the 'real' world. 
Are we entitled to refuse it in the Internet too?

I think this is a very narrow point of view of the world. Your email 
adress explains it.

Ricard Vaqué
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:57:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] IPv6 and child pornographers

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 10:29:28PM -0400,
>  Joe Baptista <[email-masked]> wrote
>  a message of 74 lines which said:
>
> > I am quoting engineers.
>
> Sure, Jeff Williams and Jim Fleming. As we say in French, "Qui se
> ressemble s'assemble" (Those who looks the same go together).

You don't read well.  Jeff Williams has never been quoted in any article I
have written.  And I challenge you to find any error in Mr. Fleming
quotes.  There are non.

And let us not forget the various other engineer programers who were
quoted - vint cerf - narten ... etc .etc.

cheers
joe baptista

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:20:33 +0200
From: "J-F C. (Jefsey)  Morfin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] IPv6 and child pornographers

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On 09:53 11/10/02, Stephane Bortzmeyer said:
>On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 10:29:28PM -0400,
>Joe Baptista <[email-masked]> wrote
>a message of 74 lines which said:
>
> > I am quoting engineers.
>Sure, Jeff Williams and Jim Fleming. As we say in French, "Qui se
>ressemble s'assemble" (Those who looks the same go together).

Without going to that level of abstraction, we have to accept that 
"engineers" have failed the technical test in here. In restricting 
themselves to machines many "engineers" miss the main issue which is the 
network and its interconnectivity with other systems and - most of all - 
with people.

This only shows that IAB has to speed up its thinking on the network 
architecture - so the obvious is entered in the IETF thinking: what rules 
the world is the HNS (Human Naming System) long before the DNS.

All the DN problems over debated here are mnemonic/domainname layer 
violations as would Leissig say. And they will remain and develop as long 
as IETF and ICANN do not acknowledge the three access layers ... 
brainware/mnemonics, software/domainnames, machine/IP addresses.

Now, Stephane; I did not read the paper of Joe. But there is in here a 
strong experience about layer  violations (not only at IETF layers 8 and 
9). So I will not rebuke Joe and Jeff on this, but I will ask them how IPv6 
can affect security according them  (even if I see several ways, not 
specific to IPv6 but as drawback of the Internet architecture added to more 
possibilities).

jfc

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:43:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] IPv6 and child pornographers

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, J-F C. (Jefsey)  Morfin wrote:

> Now, Stephane; I did not read the paper of Joe. But there is in here a
> strong experience about layer  violations (not only at IETF layers 8 and
> 9). So I will not rebuke Joe and Jeff on this, but I will ask them how IPv6
> can affect security according them  (even if I see several ways, not
> specific to IPv6 but as drawback of the Internet architecture added to more
> possibilities).

I don't think IPv6 is good from a security point of view.  You'll have to
read my articles to see where I go with the argument on it.  I agree that
the IPv6 transport is more secure then IPv4.  It uses IPsec so you at
least have that going for you.  So I feel under those specific
circumstances that IPv6 is a privacy friendly protocol.

regards
joe baptista

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:54:44 +0800
From: "James Seng" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] IPv6 and child pornographers

Yes, Lee's spelling is correct. Mine is a typo.

- -James Seng

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Soobok Lee" <[email-masked]>
To: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "James Seng" <[email-masked]>; "Joe Baptista"
<[email-masked]>; "General Assembly of the DNSO" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] IPv6 and child pornographers

> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 10:11:18PM -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > James Seng wrote:
> >
> > > "Security" is a loaded word, but to who involved in "Information
Security",
> > > there are five pillars, namely: Confidentity, Availability, Integrity,
> > > Privacy and Non-reputation.
> >
> >   Right here.  IPv6 does not meet any of these criterion adequately,
> > and several not at all.  Not at all are: Confidentity, and Privacy.
> > Not adequately: Information Security, Integrity and Non-reputation.
> > Although IPv6 come close to Non-reputation.
>
> I suggest simple correction:   Non-reputation ==>  non-repudiation .
> I guess there was transcription mistakes.
> If you both  have had other ideas about that term, correct me , please.
>
> Cheers.
> Soobok Lee
> an observer in Seoul
>

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:56:15 +0800
From: "James Seng" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Ouch and stepping in it.

Oh sure. ;-) When did you join the list?

Wait, I remember the when the noise started...the noise-signal ratio was bad
then. It was worst now, including this one.

- -James Seng

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Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: [ga] Ouch and stepping in it.

> Some folks around here are tracking some worn out do do upon their shoes
> and spreading it.
> If you do not understand the numbers and security issues of IPv6 and do
> not understand the
> stability issues of generics and geographics please read our archives.
> Otherwise you kind of look a little silly, I mean just kind of.  I still
> love your involvement and
> welcome you. and If you still want it on the list I will be happy to
> oblige in your embarrassment.
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:24:30 +0800
From: "James Seng" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New approach

When someone say 'IPv6 and child pornography' in the subject line, it makes
as much sense as 'optical fiber & phone sex'...

So when someone say 'me too', it would be interesting to pick that person
brain to know what he is thinking. It would help my improve many mail
filters.

But so far you have no demostrated you have any opinion of your own.

Anyway, IPv6 'security problem' (if there is one in the protocol) is an IETF
problem, not GA@DNSO. IPv6 'security problem' (if there is one in the
implementation) is a vendor problem, not GA@DNSO. IPv6 'security problem'
(if there is one in the operation) is an NANOG/APOP/etc problem, not
GA@DNSO. IPv6 allocation policy is an ASO problem, not GA@DNSO. So, bring
these to IETF or ASO or the vendors or other operations groups.

ps: The fact that domain names maps to IP address dont means IP issues is an
DNSO problem. Otherwise, lets start a thread on our electric bills.

- -James Seng

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To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: [ga] New approach

> You little monkeys that are trying to create a perception of
> intelligence but have no basis in logic, law or fact, just back off and
> shut up.  or  State your real position and who you work for at this
> time, because I am sure it goes to the highest bidder.  IPv6 has been
> shown for the fraud it is and geographic are stupid- Evian Water is
> entitled as is someone who wants a full security measure placed in the
> platform of IP.
>
> Who ever are teaming up with TR and AS to prevent intelligent discussion
> are pitiful fools and you remind us all of Crispin and Crocker.
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:34:02 +0200
From: Vittorio Bertola <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:20:05 -0500, you wrote:

>Good point, Patricio, specially because the hypothetic gTLD you mention is
>highly distinctive indeed. But say that Brazil had one of these national
>intitutes devoted to the promotion and production of Brazilian cinema.

I think this is just a good example that shows that any attempt to deviate
from the "first come first served" rule will certainly bring you into a lot
of trouble :-)
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:45:36 -0500
From: "Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

You might care to read RFC-1591 and ICP-1. 

Atentamente, Regards
Rodrigo Orenday Serratos

- -----Mensaje original-----
De: Andy Gardner [mailto:[email-masked]]
Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 07:05 PM
Para: [email-masked]; 'Dan Steinberg'
CC: 'Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'; 'Leah Gallegos';
[email-masked]
Asunto: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

At 6:53 PM -0500 10/10/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
>and that the .ORG domain name is only for
>non-profit organizations

Where did you get this from?

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:08:36 -0400
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

> You might care to read RFC-1591 and ICP-1.

Ditto. Neither document makes this statement.

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"'Dan Steinberg'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'" <[email-masked]>;
"'Leah Gallegos'" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:45 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

> You might care to read RFC-1591 and ICP-1.
>
> Atentamente, Regards
> Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
>
>
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Andy Gardner [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 07:05 PM
> Para: [email-masked]; 'Dan Steinberg'
> CC: 'Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'; 'Leah Gallegos';
> [email-masked]
> Asunto: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
>
>
> At 6:53 PM -0500 10/10/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
> >and that the .ORG domain name is only for
> >non-profit organizations
>
> Where did you get this from?
>
> --
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:09:35 -0500
From: "Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz]

You are making it sound extreme.

TM law does not preclude people from speaking, and I certainly wouldn't want
it to (there would be no room for marketing and advertising then).

What you can't use tequila for is any other product not made with or from
tequila. Your query was worse than a question in freshman class in law
school.

Atentamente, Regards
Rodrigo Orenday Serratos

- -----Mensaje original-----
De: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]En nombre de Andy
Gardner
Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 07:10 PM
Para: [email-masked]
Asunto: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re:
NewZealand.biz]

At 5:51 PM -0500 10/10/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
>On the other hand, it is funny that you should mention the interest of
>Mexico on what a Norwegian does through a Brazilian registry, because the
>last time I checked, a Norwegian holds TEQUILA.COM, and uses it for a
mobile
>phone website. As you know, TEQUILA is not only our foremost national
>liquor, but it is also an apellation controlle, which may not be used for
>anything else but for the identification of the aforesaid beverage.

So anyone who lives in Tequila, Jalisco, is not allowed to say where
they're from, unless they hav a drink in their hand at the time?

Are cartographers allowed to mark Tequila, Jalisco on maps?

You sound like you want to progress TM law to the stage where people get
jailed for uttering a TM'ed term.

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:17:33 -0500
From: "Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

WANNA BET!? I DID READ IT, several times over, by the way, so don't "ditto"
me!

"   ORG - This domain is intended as the miscellaneous TLD for
         organizations that didn't fit anywhere else.  Some non-
         government organizations may fit here.

   INT - This domain is for organizations established by international
         treaties, or international databases."

Here's the URL: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1591.txt, as well as
http://rfc.sunsite.dk/rfc/rfc1591.html

Atentamente, Regards
Rodrigo Orenday Serratos

- -----Mensaje original-----
De: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:[email-masked]]
Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Octubre de 2002 10:09 AM
Para: [email-masked]; 'Andy Gardner'; 'Dan Steinberg'
CC: 'Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'; 'Leah Gallegos';
[email-masked]
Asunto: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

> You might care to read RFC-1591 and ICP-1.

Ditto. Neither document makes this statement.

                       -rwr

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From: "Rodrigo Orenday Serrato" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Andy Gardner'" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
"'Dan Steinberg'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'" <[email-masked]>;
"'Leah Gallegos'" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:45 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

> You might care to read RFC-1591 and ICP-1.
>
> Atentamente, Regards
> Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
>
>
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Andy Gardner [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 07:05 PM
> Para: [email-masked]; 'Dan Steinberg'
> CC: 'Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'; 'Leah Gallegos';
> [email-masked]
> Asunto: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
>
>
> At 6:53 PM -0500 10/10/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
> >and that the .ORG domain name is only for
> >non-profit organizations
>
> Where did you get this from?
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:19:52 -0500
From: "Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz]

It's not illegal to play it here; actually it was used in the campaign of
Jose Cuervo Tequila last year's summer.

Atentamente, Regards
Rodrigo Orenday Serratos

- -----Mensaje original-----
De: John Berryhill [mailto:[email-masked]]
Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 09:24 PM
Para: [email-masked]
CC: [email-masked]
Asunto: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re:
NewZealand.biz]

>As you know, TEQUILA is not only our foremost national
> liquor, but it is also an apellation controlle, which may not be used for
> anything else but for the identification of the aforesaid beverage.

No, it is the title of a song, composed and recorded in 1959 by saxophonist
Chuck Rio.

Is it illegal to play it on Mexican radio? Or does the song have another
title there?

("Mexican Radio" also being a good song)

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:19:31 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

At 9:45 AM -0500 10/11/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
>You might care to read RFC-1591 and ICP-1.
>

ICP-1?

Don't make me laugh.

That's just worthless bullshit from ICANN.

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:24:48 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz]

At 10:09 AM -0500 10/11/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
>You are making it sound extreme.

No, YOU made it sound extreme:

"As you know, TEQUILA is not only our foremost national
liquor, but it is also an apellation controlle, which may not be used for
anything else but for the identification of the aforesaid beverage."

>
>TM law does not preclude people from speaking, and I certainly wouldn't want
>it to (there would be no room for marketing and advertising then).
>
>What you can't use tequila for is any other product not made with or from
>tequila. Your query was worse than a question in freshman class in law
>school.

Don't start that shit with me. I'm not a lawyer, I'm an Internet citizen,
and I get riled when people like you come in here and start trying to force
your TM law in places it doesn't belong.

>Atentamente, Regards
>Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]En nombre de Andy
>Gardner
>Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 07:10 PM
>Para: [email-masked]
>Asunto: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re:
>NewZealand.biz]
>
>
>At 5:51 PM -0500 10/10/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
>>On the other hand, it is funny that you should mention the interest of
>>Mexico on what a Norwegian does through a Brazilian registry, because the
>>last time I checked, a Norwegian holds TEQUILA.COM, and uses it for a
>mobile
>>phone website. As you know, TEQUILA is not only our foremost national
>>liquor, but it is also an apellation controlle, which may not be used for
>>anything else but for the identification of the aforesaid beverage.
>
>So anyone who lives in Tequila, Jalisco, is not allowed to say where
>they're from, unless they hav a drink in their hand at the time?
>
>Are cartographers allowed to mark Tequila, Jalisco on maps?
>
>You sound like you want to progress TM law to the stage where people get
>jailed for uttering a TM'ed term.
>
>--
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:04:55 -0400
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz]

>
> "As you know, TEQUILA is not only our foremost national
> liquor, but it is also an apellation controlle, which may not be used for
> anything else but for the identification of the aforesaid beverage."

Forgive my limited understanding re: AOCs, but aren't they applied only to
ensure that specific products from a particular region can bear the
designation? What I mean is, there is no international statute that prevents
a Swiss businessperson from naming his new airline "Champagne Air" or a New
York designer from peddling "Tequila Boots" or... in other words, isn't it
the case that an AOC (or an INN to open another can of worms) has very
little to do with trademarks and even less to do with domain names?

                       -rwr

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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Gardner" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re:
NewZealand.biz]

> At 10:09 AM -0500 10/11/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
> >You are making it sound extreme.
>
> No, YOU made it sound extreme:
>
> "As you know, TEQUILA is not only our foremost national
> liquor, but it is also an apellation controlle, which may not be used for
> anything else but for the identification of the aforesaid beverage."
>
>
>
> >
> >TM law does not preclude people from speaking, and I certainly wouldn't
want
> >it to (there would be no room for marketing and advertising then).
> >
> >What you can't use tequila for is any other product not made with or from
> >tequila. Your query was worse than a question in freshman class in law
> >school.
>
> Don't start that shit with me. I'm not a lawyer, I'm an Internet citizen,
> and I get riled when people like you come in here and start trying to
force
> your TM law in places it doesn't belong.
>
> >Atentamente, Regards
> >Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
> >
> >-----Mensaje original-----
> >De: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]En nombre de Andy
> >Gardner
> >Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 07:10 PM
> >Para: [email-masked]
> >Asunto: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re:
> >NewZealand.biz]
> >
> >
> >At 5:51 PM -0500 10/10/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
> >>On the other hand, it is funny that you should mention the interest of
> >>Mexico on what a Norwegian does through a Brazilian registry, because
the
> >>last time I checked, a Norwegian holds TEQUILA.COM, and uses it for a
> >mobile
> >>phone website. As you know, TEQUILA is not only our foremost national
> >>liquor, but it is also an apellation controlle, which may not be used
for
> >>anything else but for the identification of the aforesaid beverage.
> >
> >So anyone who lives in Tequila, Jalisco, is not allowed to say where
> >they're from, unless they hav a drink in their hand at the time?
> >
> >Are cartographers allowed to mark Tequila, Jalisco on maps?
> >
> >You sound like you want to progress TM law to the stage where people get
> >jailed for uttering a TM'ed term.
> >
> >--
> >Andrew P. Gardner
> >barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
> >We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
> >Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:20:35 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Generics [Was RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz]

At 11:10 AM -0500 10/11/02, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:
>News for you, pal, the law belongs everywhere, whether laymen care for it or
>not.

And you're a real stickler for it.

I'm gonna really enjoy watching the tanks rolling into Iraq. Little
Rodrigito will at the border trying to stop them because they haven't got
Iraqi registration plates and aren't paying the border tax as they roll by.

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:57:15 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Just in case

Hey I am getting some mails that look like they are heading to something
like I do not exist.
Ouch!
I swear I am a Lay Eucharistic Minister, a member of the Order of St.
Lukes, member of  Cursillo and have a Prison Ministry Cross from Kiros
around my neck.
I swear I have degrees from NAU in Philosophy and Business and a
Doctorate from California Western School of Law.  I promise I now live
part time in California and part time in Saigon, I attended school and
lived in both Puebla Mexico and Paris France.  Pierre Salinger was
really my mentor and I worked with teams for pre-NAFTA negotiations.
That really is my picture in whats new on www.it.com.vn  I really caught
that four inch fish and threw it back.
I have drank  beers with such notables as Joop, Danny, Karl, Vanny and
YJ and argued with Ester face to face.
Oh yea Elizabeth P. called me an american chauvinist in French, I think
she thought I did not understand French and that I was trying to pick up
on her.
So please do not suggest I am a fraud.
Sincerely,
Eric

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