Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1461
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GA-DIGEST         Wednesday, October 9 2002         Volume 01 : Number 1461

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:07:35 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Volunteers: Deletes Task Force.

Thomas and all assembly members,

  Now Thomas, we should do this ON LIST!  >;)
I volunteer!

Thomas Roessler wrote:

> We need a volunteer for the Names Council's Deletes Task Force.
>
> If you're interested, please contact me off-list before Friday.  You
> should have some prior knowledge of the process which is currently
> used to release expired domain names and the issues created by this
> process (alternatively, you should be willing and capable to learn
> the details within relatively short time).  Finally, you should be
> prepared to invest a considerable amount of time into this task
> force's work.
>
> Candidates should, ideally, not just replicate some constituency's
> position.
>
> If there are multiple candidates, I hope that we can quickly agree
> upon one representative to the Task Force, with the other candidates
> possibly serving on some kind of a "GA drafting group" for the
> topic which would assist the representative.
>
> Note that there won't be a vote on the GA representative to this
> task force due to the short time frame.
> --
> Thomas Roessler                        http://log.does-not-exist.INFO/
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Bruce Tonkin <[email-masked]> -----
>
> From: Bruce Tonkin <[email-masked]>
> To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:51:30 +1000
> Subject: [council] Representative for Deletes Task force
>
> Hello All,
>
> Would each constituency please identify a representative to
> participate in the Deletes Task Force.
>
> I would like to post an initial membership of the task force and
> draft terms of reference by 15 October 2002 (14 days prior to the
> next meeting of the names council on 29 October 2002).
>
> If your constituency requires a longer period of time to appoint a
> representative, please provide the name of an individual that can
> serve in the interim.
>
> Regards,
> Bruce Tonkin
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:24:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kirikos <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

Hello,

- --- "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <[email-masked]>
wrote:
> 5. WIPO's continuing attempts to fabricate international law, or even
> to
> bootstrap some new kind of soft law, do not deserve our respect. 
> They
> are, rather, something to criticize.

Agreed. I note to those who seek adventure that NewZealandSucks.biz is
unregistered at this time! How long that will last, I cannot say... ;)

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
http://www.kirikos.com/

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:55:53 -0400
From: "John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

> I strongly disagree; the naming of States is a matter of public interest,
> which supersedes private interests in the DNS.

That's great.  You are welcome to that opinion.  However, the rules of the
policy under which the decision was made require the complainant to have a
trademark - i.e. a private commercial interest.

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karl Auerbach <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:

> I strongly disagree; the naming of States is a matter of public interest,
> which supersedes private interests in the DNS.

I'm not willing to agree to that.

Countries have ccTLDs to do with as they please.  That should be the
beginning and ending of their sovereign-related powers over names in DNS.

Some countries may have sold their ccTLD name to a private concern.  For
example, the United States has done this.  If a country made a bad 
bargain, that's their concern, not ours.

Nations are, of course, free to exercise their national powers over DNS
related acts of people and entities that occur within their jurisdictions.

As for "public interest" - I tend to prefer that "the public" say what is
in their interest and what is not.  Considering that ICANN is banishing
the public from ICANN's decision processes, I would say that ICANN is not
in a position to make any credible statement about what is or what is not
in the public interest.

> ccTLDs help individuals refer their websites...

The Internet is not the world wide web.  The internet is a much larger
entity in which the web is but one service out of many.  In addition,
please do not confuse URL's with domain names, the two systems are quite
different.

If one wishes to try to defend DNS as being some sort of global uniform 
name space, I suggest that one apply the following tests:

  - Location invarience: Do names have the same meaning no matter where 
uttered?

  - Client invarience: Do names have the same meaning no matter who utters
them.

  - Temporal invarience: Does the meaning of a name, once a meaning is
attached, remain unchanged with the passage of time?

If the answer to any of these questions is "no", then the naming system is 
neither global nor uniform.

Content management systems have knocked out the first two kinds of 
invarience for DNS and DNS itself has never tried to meet the third kind.

> ... but they are no DNS substitute for the name of a country

With internationalized DNS, one has to ask whether the ASCII forms are 
"the" name of a country.

		--karl--

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:01:48 +0100
From: "Abel Wisman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

Slowly but surely WIPO and the IP constituency seem to gain ground on
making law, an exercise untill non to long ago solely done by
governments.

If you do not like a domain name in a TLD, you invoke a UDRP procedure,
and unless the defendant is brilliant, get it.

If you do not like a website you threaten the owner, or his/her ISP and
it will be taken down, often without any decent proof of authority or
valid reason.

It seems that we have to work with different laws on the internet from
real life or to put it less "unreal" on the internet the "brick and
mortar" laws do not exist.

Institutions, new or old take the law and bend it in any shape they
want, countries aiming to make the law on the internet "their" law and
thus preventing a "healthy" internet.

Everybody has become so engrossed in the fight for power that we do not
seem to see that we are stopping progress in a bad way.

The impossiblity of comparing the internet to a brick and mortar world
makes all institutions with some power in the brick and mortar world
fght like mad to gain even more advantage on the internet and where
tuition should be the keyword, powerstruggle has replaced it and stops
the growth of the internet.

The government of no country has the right to decide for every netizen
in the world, or are we to see a war of the worlds on the internet when
a Junta tries to gain control via a DoC of their own calling upon rules
laid out by f.i. WIPO

I do not claim to hold the answer to put a stop to this, but am aware
that making others, outside the GA, aware of this is becoming more and
more a prioroty.

The proposals for "new" Bylaws are making our room for maneuvering (if
they are accepted) smaller and smaller and reduce a large part of the
internet to the playing-ground of a few large companies and
institutions.

I do however still believe that working on those proposals and other
task-forces as well as discussing in this GA as the democratic way
forward and the ultimate solution to a runaway train that the process
seems to be.

Kind regards

Abel Wisman

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From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf
Of Karl Auerbach
Sent: 08 October 2002 23:37
To: Rodrigo Orenday Serrato
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Rodrigo  Orenday Serrato wrote:

> I strongly disagree; the naming of States is a matter of public 
> interest, which supersedes private interests in the DNS.

I'm not willing to agree to that.

Countries have ccTLDs to do with as they please.  That should be the
beginning and ending of their sovereign-related powers over names in
DNS.

Some countries may have sold their ccTLD name to a private concern.  For
example, the United States has done this.  If a country made a bad 
bargain, that's their concern, not ours.

Nations are, of course, free to exercise their national powers over DNS
related acts of people and entities that occur within their
jurisdictions.

As for "public interest" - I tend to prefer that "the public" say what
is in their interest and what is not.  Considering that ICANN is
banishing the public from ICANN's decision processes, I would say that
ICANN is not in a position to make any credible statement about what is
or what is not in the public interest.

> ccTLDs help individuals refer their websites...

The Internet is not the world wide web.  The internet is a much larger
entity in which the web is but one service out of many.  In addition,
please do not confuse URL's with domain names, the two systems are quite
different.

If one wishes to try to defend DNS as being some sort of global uniform 
name space, I suggest that one apply the following tests:

  - Location invarience: Do names have the same meaning no matter where 
uttered?

  - Client invarience: Do names have the same meaning no matter who
utters them.

  - Temporal invarience: Does the meaning of a name, once a meaning is
attached, remain unchanged with the passage of time?

If the answer to any of these questions is "no", then the naming system
is 
neither global nor uniform.

Content management systems have knocked out the first two kinds of 
invarience for DNS and DNS itself has never tried to meet the third
kind.

> ... but they are no DNS substitute for the name of a country

With internationalized DNS, one has to ask whether the ASCII forms are 
"the" name of a country.

		--karl--

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:35:23 +0200
From: ADD-CT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] .ct

(excuse my english)

> There are in the world many regions who have some degree of autonomy 
> from
> national governments, or that were independent in the past.

sure

> What is in your
> view the necessary condition for an entity to have an ISO geographical 
> code?

what matters is not my opinion, but opinion of ISO. We know the 
conditions of the ISO 3166 standard. We don't want to change that.

Our point of view, and also of many members of ISOC-CAT, is that ICANN 
should not take desicions based on the ISO lists. We think that ICANN 
should be independent of the interests of entities not directly related 
with the net.

> What would you think, for example, of an application for a new ccTLD 
> by the Basques?

or the kurds, or the palestinians, or the lakotas. Why not? Where is 
the problem? Would this to be a critical problem for the DNS?

> Or by each of the fifty states of the United States?

Why not?  Have you an answer?

> Or by the independist parties of Scotland, Quebec or Northern Italy?

1) We are not a party. We are a nation with many parties
2) Only the 15% of the catalans are independentist

You are mixing different concepts. Cizitens of Quebec, Scotland, Italy, 
Basque Country or Catalonia has differents arguments and MANY 
differents ways to get their objectives.

As I said in my first message, our way is a democratic parliament 
representing 6 milion of european citizens. Five years ago, our 
parliament voted with unanimity a resolution to get the .ct domain, 
from comunists to liberalists.

> Should they be approved too? Should there be approval from the 
> national government or not?

Well, this is a problem that must resolve the citizens of those zones, 
not me.

But... can you answer those questions?:
Why US minor islands (.um), Ascension  Island (.ac), Guernsey (.gg), 
Isle of Man (.im) and Jersey (.je) and others has a ccTLD and are not 
ISO3166 standards?
What about Taiwan, Palestina, Macau, Timor...?
Why ISO says United Kingdom = .gb, and the ICANN says United Kingdom = 
.uk?
Why a zone without representation in the UNO like the Antartica (.aq) 
has a ISO3166 standard?
Why needs a ccTLD an unhabited region like Bouvet Island (.bv) or Heard 
Island (.hm)?

  Thanks,

Ricard Vaqué
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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:55:43 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Hot Zone

I just got off the phone with a woman, our employee, whose husband is in
the "hot Zone" of war.
Life is not so easy.  My Fiancé' mailed me a request for money for some
children in my Delta.
Life is not so fun.  My friend in Watts just told me that temperatures
are rising and hell is closing in.
Life is not so cool.

Perhaps by venting these feelings and by using MY INTERNET we can
diffuse
some problems.  We are the top of the crop we must find solutions
through resolutions.  Money is on its' way, a colonel has been contacted
and a minister or five are active in Watts.  What power this Internet?

If you think you are dealing with businessmen you are wrong you are
dealing with us zealots and we will hound you to the depths of hell.
You people that mess with my ability to work such matters will reap what
yee sew.

Eric
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:23:47 -0400
From: Allan Liska <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Hot Zone

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Hello Eric,

Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 9:55:43 PM, you wrote:

ehtc> If you think you are dealing with businessmen you are wrong you are
ehtc> dealing with us zealots and we will hound you to the depths of hell.
ehtc> You people that mess with my ability to work such matters will reap what
ehtc> yee sew.

Melodrama much?

allan
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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:35:39 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] .ct

Ricard and all assembly members,

  Thank you RIcard for chiming it, although you are very late in doing so
as ICANN is seeking to shut this forum and the DNSO GA down.
(More below your comments, Ricard)

ADD-CT wrote:

> (excuse my english)
>
> > There are in the world many regions who have some degree of autonomy
> > from
> > national governments, or that were independent in the past.
>
> sure
>
> > What is in your
> > view the necessary condition for an entity to have an ISO geographical
> > code?
>
> what matters is not my opinion, but opinion of ISO. We know the
> conditions of the ISO 3166 standard. We don't want to change that.

  Good point here.  But the ICANN BoD and especially the ICANN
staff do want to change or control ISO 3166

>
>
> Our point of view, and also of many members of ISOC-CAT, is that ICANN
> should not take desicions based on the ISO lists. We think that ICANN
> should be independent of the interests of entities not directly related
> with the net.

  Well this is never going to happen...

>
>
> > What would you think, for example, of an application for a new ccTLD
> > by the Basques?
>
> or the kurds, or the palestinians, or the lakotas. Why not? Where is
> the problem? Would this to be a critical problem for the DNS?

  Also a good point here.  Why not indeed...

>
>
> > Or by each of the fifty states of the United States?
>
> Why not?  Have you an answer?

  My state, the great state of Texas is doing just this...

>
>
> > Or by the independist parties of Scotland, Quebec or Northern Italy?
>
> 1) We are not a party. We are a nation with many parties
> 2) Only the 15% of the catalans are independentist
>
> You are mixing different concepts. Cizitens of Quebec, Scotland, Italy,
> Basque Country or Catalonia has differents arguments and MANY
> differents ways to get their objectives.

  Also a good point here.  In case you didn't know ICANN rejected
Scotland a TLD of it's own.

>
>
> As I said in my first message, our way is a democratic parliament
> representing 6 milion of european citizens. Five years ago, our
> parliament voted with unanimity a resolution to get the .ct domain,
> from comunists to liberalists.
>
> > Should they be approved too? Should there be approval from the
> > national government or not?
>
> Well, this is a problem that must resolve the citizens of those zones,
> not me.
>
> But... can you answer those questions?:
> Why US minor islands (.um), Ascension  Island (.ac), Guernsey (.gg),
> Isle of Man (.im) and Jersey (.je) and others has a ccTLD and are not
> ISO3166 standards?
> What about Taiwan, Palestina, Macau, Timor...?
> Why ISO says United Kingdom = .gb, and the ICANN says United Kingdom =
> .uk?
> Why a zone without representation in the UNO like the Antartica (.aq)
> has a ISO3166 standard?
> Why needs a ccTLD an unhabited region like Bouvet Island (.bv) or Heard
> Island (.hm)?

  These were all Jon Postals doling out's to his buddies long ago now.
He kinda left a mess there I must admit.

>
>
>   Thanks,
>
> Ricard Vaqué
> -------------------------------------------
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> http://www.domini-ct.org
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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:55:44 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Hot Zone

You do not get it Allen you are screwing with the possibility of making lives
better.
To you it is all money, to me it is all people.
Your ilk is sick and breeds illness of greed.  Good for you.  You will reap what
you sew.
You have never held a laptop and worked with a translator through a Doctor in
Oregon and cured a disease in the outskirts of Mexico City DF along the road of
the dump and watched the child see again.
Your attitude is all that is wrong with the world.
but go ahead and make your money, I hope you are very rich.
Eric

Allan Liska wrote:

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>
> Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 9:55:43 PM, you wrote:
>
> ehtc> If you think you are dealing with businessmen you are wrong you are
> ehtc> dealing with us zealots and we will hound you to the depths of hell.
> ehtc> You people that mess with my ability to work such matters will reap what
> ehtc> yee sew.
>
> Melodrama much?
>
> allan
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:19:29 -0400
From: Allan Liska <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Hot Zone

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Hello Eric,

Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 10:55:44 PM, you wrote:

ehtc> You do not get it Allen you are screwing with the possibility of making lives
ehtc> better.
ehtc> To you it is all money, to me it is all people.
ehtc> Your ilk is sick and breeds illness of greed.  Good for you.  You will reap what
ehtc> you sew.
ehtc> You have never held a laptop and worked with a translator through a Doctor in
ehtc> Oregon and cured a disease in the outskirts of Mexico City DF along the road of
ehtc> the dump and watched the child see again.
ehtc> Your attitude is all that is wrong with the world.
ehtc> but go ahead and make your money, I hope you are very rich.
ehtc> Eric

If I may indulge the moderators one more time, to comment on a
completely off topic post.  I am not screwing with the ability of
anyone to do anything -- and I sincerely doubt anyone else on this
list is either.  I am simply commenting that you are being
melodramatic.

As far as my motivations, just because I am not donning a red cape and
flying around the world to stop earthquakes and send Bizarro back to
his own planet does not mean that I am driven by greed -- in fact you
have no idea what my motivations are, because I have never mentioned
them.  I am part of this forum because I own several domains, and it
is in my interest to ensure that ICANN runs in a manner that I think
is appropriate.  I can accomplish this without charging windmills, and
without snarling like a rabid dog every time someone from ICANN speaks.

If I may offer you a little piece of advice, and paraphrase the
Beetles at the same time:

"But if you go carrying pictures of Baptista and Williams You ain't
gonna make it with anyone anyhow"

Finally, use a spell checker -- the phrase is "Reap what you sow".
You keep telling me I am going to harvest what I knit, and that does
not make sense.

allan
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:27:19 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Hot Zone

> If I may indulge the moderators one more time, to comment on a
> completely off topic post.  I am not screwing with the ability of
> anyone to do anything -- and I sincerely doubt anyone else on this
> list is either.

Unfortunately, that's precisely what quite a few people on this list have
been doing here for years. A recent example might be the Moderators trying
to shut down a discussion about IPv6.

> If I may offer you a little piece of advice, and paraphrase the
> Beetles at the same time:

It's Beatles actually...:-)

Regards,
Joanna

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:21:13 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] GA & the Steady State Future

Dear Alejandro and members of the Board,

Our entire consensus process is predicated on the understanding that an 
effort must be made to consult with those whom are to be affected by ICANN's 
decisions -- yet at no time has the ERC ever consulted with the General 
Assembly membership prior to rendering its decision to terminate ICANN's only 
open Public Discussion Forum for domain name issues.  I would appreciate the 
opportunity to hear your views on this matter.   Please advise if you are 
amenable to such a discussion on this forum.

Best regards,
Danny Younger
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:33:01 -0700
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Subject: [ga] [Fwd: [Anuncios] LACNIC III]

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I believe this is a very good thing.

Bienvenidos para hermanos y hermanas en LACNIC, buenos suerte!
(remember my Spanish is Tijaunan and I have no spell check, sorry)

We seem to have some competition going on in registrars.
ISPs and ASPs are competing.
Telecommunications are trying but are a little huge oriented.

Competition helps build efficiency.

Besides LACNIC is cool for its' regional basis and Spanish speaking base
(ok Portuguese also, but this is akin to Australian and Louisiana, Oui?)
{yes and my French is Cajun}

Sometimes we must look for the good and celebrate it.

Sincerely,
Eric

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:41:31 -0300

LACNIC anuncia que solamente a los efectos de la asistencia al LACNIC III a
realizarse en Ciudad de México los días 11 y 12 de noviembre, todas las
organizaciones latinoamericanas miembros de ARIN serán considerados miembros
de LACNIC. Por consiguiente, estarán exonerados del pago para asistir a este
evento.

LACNIC III
Comité de Organización

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:58:43 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz

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> If you do not like a domain name in a TLD, you invoke a UDRP procedure,
> and unless the defendant is brilliant, get it.
>

Then I was brilliant in the SEX.SHOP case ;-)

http://sex.shop.steinle.biz
http://www.steinle.law.pro

Simon

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