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GA-DIGEST          Tuesday, August 20 2002          Volume 01 : Number 1383

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:04:30 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings: Sims, Dierker, Field, Fleming 

At 07:23 p.m. 18/08/2002 -0400, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
>Dear Mr. Henderson,
>
>While I much appreciate the sentiments that I'm sure motivate your request
>quoted below, I appeal to you to withdraw it.

I support this appeal.
The uncontrolled outburst from ICANN's architect that we have all been 
privileged to witness can only enhance Michael's  good name.

The masks are dropping and this is for the benefit of  all.
I will never forget how Esther and Joe Sims oversaw the meeting in 
Singapore, where "consensus" over the formation of this DNSO and its 
constituency structure was forged.

Joe, unlike Esther, does not complain about his lack of popularity. He 
shows a single face and that helps.

It makes Joe a rival for Karl, who is equally popular for the same reason, 
except in different circles.

For the longest time we have wanted dialog with ICANN.
Now we have it, in its purest form.  Why rob ourselves of it?

- --Joop

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:57:22 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings: Sims, Dierker, Field, Fleming

Joop and all assembly members,

Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 07:23 p.m. 18/08/2002 -0400, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Henderson,
> >
> >While I much appreciate the sentiments that I'm sure motivate your request
> >quoted below, I appeal to you to withdraw it.
>
> I support this appeal.
> The uncontrolled outburst from ICANN's architect that we have all been
> privileged to witness can only enhance Michael's  good name.

  Uncontrolled outbursts of the nature that Joe Sims and Jonathan Cohen
have displays of late enhance no ones good name.  In fact, they only
denigrate all to a degree and simply display the darker side of their well
known motives.

>
>
> The masks are dropping and this is for the benefit of  all.

  The masks as you put it dropped quite sometime ago now...
So I am wondering where or how you are just now coming to
understand this prevalent yet somewhat hidden attitude from
ICANN "Officials"...

>
> I will never forget how Esther and Joe Sims oversaw the meeting in
> Singapore, where "consensus" over the formation of this DNSO and its
> constituency structure was forged.

  Good!  Don't ever forget it...

>
>
> Joe, unlike Esther, does not complain about his lack of popularity. He
> shows a single face and that helps.

  Joe has many faces and many guises as he has displayed in the not too
distant past on this very forum.

>
>
> It makes Joe a rival for Karl, who is equally popular for the same reason,
> except in different circles.

  Karl is far more popular than Joe Sims.  So again Joop, I am
a bit puzzled by your remark here.

>
>
> For the longest time we have wanted dialog with ICANN.
> Now we have it, in its purest form.  Why rob ourselves of it?

  Dialog is a good thing.  But what we are seeing from ICANN now
is not dialog but a written form of disdain.  Hence such communications
are less than useful...

>
>
> --Joop
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:37:11 +0200
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [fwd] RE: [ga] ICANN reimburse $75,000 to GAC for GAC secretariat (from: [email-masked])

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From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:28:12 +0200
Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN reimburse $75,000 to GAC for GAC secretariat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2002 4:33
> To: [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]; Don Evans; cathy Handley; Clyde Ensslin; atlarge
> discuss list
> Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN reimburse $75,000 to GAC for GAC secretariat
> 
> 
> Richard and all assembly members, stakeholders or other 
> interested parties,
> 
>   Thank you Richard for passing this bit of info along.  Much 
> appreciated!
> 
>   However after reading it several times I came to have a few 
> questions..
> 
> 2.) Will or has, sense March, the ITU's offer to fund either of these
>      positions/fuctions?  If not, why not?  If so, what was, if any
>      the decision?

The ITU did not offer to fund any functions.  The ITU offered to provide, as
an in-kind contribution, support for a portion of the secretariat services,
in particular basic support for meetings (note-taking, document handling,
etc.).

Best,
Richard

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:37:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [fwd] RE: [ga] ICANN reimburse $75,000 to GAC for GAC secretariat (from: [email-masked])

On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Thomas Roessler wrote:

> ----- Forwarded message from [email-masked] -----
>
> The ITU did not offer to fund any functions.  The ITU offered to provide, as
> an in-kind contribution, support for a portion of the secretariat services,
> in particular basic support for meetings (note-taking, document handling,
> etc.).

Sounds a bit like funding to me.  Except I'm not sure what an "in-kind
contribution" is - could you define that.

thanks
joe baptista

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:41:01 +0200
From: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [fwd] RE: [ga] ICANN reimburse $75,000 to GAC for GAC secreta riat (from: [email-masked])

My understanding of the term "in-kind" is when you provide good or services
that somebody needs, rather than cash so that they can buy the goods or
services.

For example, a manufacturer of PCs could provide a PC to a school as an
"in-kind" contribution.

So it is a form of funding, but by providing needed goods or services
instead of cash.

Best,
Richard

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Baptista [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2002 17:38
> To: Thomas Roessler
> Cc: General Assembly of the DNSO; [email-masked];
> [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [fwd] RE: [ga] ICANN reimburse $75,000 to GAC for GAC
> secretariat (from: [email-masked])
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Thomas Roessler wrote:
> 
> > ----- Forwarded message from [email-masked] -----
> >
> > The ITU did not offer to fund any functions.  The ITU 
> offered to provide, as
> > an in-kind contribution, support for a portion of the 
> secretariat services,
> > in particular basic support for meetings (note-taking, 
> document handling,
> > etc.).
> 
> Sounds a bit like funding to me.  Except I'm not sure what an "in-kind
> contribution" is - could you define that.
> 
> thanks
> joe baptista
> 
> 
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:02:17 -0400
From: Rob Courtney <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] CDT Letter on the ICANN MOU

Greetings all,

This afternoon, CDT transmitted the following letter to Asst. Sec. 
Nancy Victory and Robin Layton at the Department of Commerce. The 
letter urges Commerce to commit to adding new provisions to the ICANN 
MOU, including provisions to create meaningful limits on ICANN's 
authorities, establish accountability mechanisms, and provide 
representation. The letter also urges that the MOU's duration be 
short, not to exceed one year, and that ICANN submit bi-annual public 
reports on its progress to Commerce and the GAC.

The complete letter is reprinted below, and available at 
http://www.cdt.org/dns/icann/020819comments.shtml

Best,

Rob

* * *

August 19, 2002

Nancy J. Victory
Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information
United States Department of Commerce
1401 Constitution Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20230

Robin Layton
Associate Administrator, Office of International Affairs
National Telecommunications and Information Administration
1401 Constitution Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20230

Dear Ms. Victory and Ms. Layton:

We write to express our continuing concern with the present 
restructuring of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and 
Numbers (ICANN). We urge you to insert a limited set of new 
requirements into any renewal of ICANN's Memorandum of Understanding 
with the Department of Commerce calling for increased accountability 
and meaningful checks on ICANN's powers.

Through its Evolution and Reform Committee, ICANN has begun work to 
address questions about the scope of its mission and the need for 
broader participation and greater accountability. Although the reform 
package approved in Bucharest improves on previous drafts, it lacks 
adequate provisions to protect the public's interest in ICANN's 
activities and establish meaningful constraints on the ICANN Board's 
future authority. With the Department's MOU with ICANN set to expire 
on September 30, the present opportunity for leadership should not be 
missed.

The new MOU should continue the objectives present in the White 
Paper. The promotion of competition and stability are key tasks for 
ICANN, but they are equal in importance to providing representation 
and securing a functional, private, bottom-up decision process - 
obligations that ICANN has yet to fulfill. Reasonable amendments to 
the MOU will provide ICANN with incentive to undertake real and 
necessary change. Such reform will promote greater faith and 
involvement in ICANN by the Internet community, and will ultimately 
fulfill the institutional vision of the White Paper. In particular, 
changes to the MOU should require ICANN to:

    * Implement accountability mechanisms that acknowledge the 
public impact of ICANN's activities. In particular, ICANN should not 
abandon the notion of an Independent Review Panel, capable of 
scrutinizing Board and staff actions for compliance with critical 
documents such as the ICANN Bylaws. Adoption of fair administrative 
procedures and reporting would expand on ICANN's progress in 
promoting transparency. And the commitment of Board and staff to 
codes of conduct would provide extra insurance against inappropriate 
actions by ICANN at some time in the future. Such actions would 
greatly enhance the public's faith in ICANN and encourage their 
productive participation.
     * Establish concrete limits on ICANN's authority. This should 
include an explicit enumeration of ICANN's powers and a strong 
prohibition of any activities that would deny individuals and 
organizations basic due process. It should be bolstered by an 
effective system of checks and balances that will ensure the 
effectiveness of the limits over time, including an understanding 
that powers not granted are prohibited unless demonstrably supported 
by the Internet community. Such limits would re-emphasize ICANN's 
endorsement of bottom-up policy-setting and further enable public 
participation.
     * Effectively represent the public voice - particularly the 
interests of users and consumers - at ICANN's board level and 
throughout the ICANN structure. ICANN's current reform plan makes 
some progress on this issue, but difficult questions about the 
specifics of public representation - particularly regarding the 
inclusion of end-users in the ICANN policy process - need answering 
before the White Paper requirement of representation can be 
satisfied. The first MOU with ICANN included language to this effect; 
that language's reinsertion and potential expansion would establish 
the importance of this task.
     * Regular reporting of progress. ICANN should be required to 
publicly offer biannual reports on its activities and its progress on 
these critical new requirements. Such reports could be addressed to 
both the Department and the Government Advisory Council.

The incorporation of these responsibilities into the MOU will 
provide a much-needed measure of oversight to ICANN and will permit 
ICANN to focus its energies on those questions most crucial both to 
its own long-term legitimacy and the future of the global Internet 
community. Finally, in order to ensure that the Department has a full 
flexibility in its oversight, we urge that the MOU be renewed for a 
term of no longer than one year.

CDT continues to believe in the promise of the White Paper to 
establish private-sector management of these critical global 
resources. We look forward to continued work with you to make that 
promise a reality.

Sincerely,

Alan Davidson
Associate Director

Rob Courtney
Policy Analyst
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:19:07 -0500
From: "Jeff Field" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Joe Sims (was RE: [ga] Re: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings: Sims, Dierker, Field, Fleming)

Even though, as mentioned in my recent posting, I personally think Joe Sims is an arrogant (fill-in-the-blank) and that ICANN's acknowledged overall failure thus far can be firmly planted at his feet (because ICANN and the Board's collective arrogant "personality" stems from Joe's heavy involvement with the formation of ICANN and ongoing policymaking and policy decisions), I also believe him to be highly intelligent.

It's with that view in mind that I am somewhat at a loss for his recent obvious self-destructive behavior.  With anyone of lesser intelligence, I would pass it off as, "well, that was a stupid thing to do/say".  With Joe, however, I am forced to think of ulterior motives and, whether his actions stem from some intentional plan or his subconscious.  In any case, I guess time will tell.

In the meantime, because I want ICANN to succeed and feel so strongly that Joe Sims (and Jones Day) must have no association with ICANN before real reformation takes place (a view seemingly shared by others), all my efforts regarding ICANN will be directed towards that goal from this point forward.

Anyone who shares this view is invited to contact me directly (contact info is below) with ideas, suggestions, etc. on ways to accomplish this goal and, knowing that just accomplishing that goal is not enough, also welcome are suggestions, ideas, etc. regarding who/what firm might replace Joe/Jones Day.

Best regards,

Jeff

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Joe Sims
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:22 PM
> To: List monitor and GA chair.
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: [ga] Re: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings: 
> Sims, Dierker, Field, Fleming
> 
> 
> And you don't view Froomkin's attack on Jon Cohen as a personal 
> attack?  Please, bar me from posting on this list so I am not 
> tempted to further waste my time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Sims
> Jones Day Reavis & Pogue
> 51 Louisiana Avenue NW
> Washington, D.C. 20001
> Direct Phone:  1.202.879.3863
> Direct Fax:  1.202.626.1747
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----"List monitor and GA chair." <[email-masked]> 
> wrote: -----
> 
> To: Joe Sims <[email-masked]>, Eric Dierker 
> <[email-masked]>, Jeff Field <[email-masked]>, Jim Fleming 
> <[email-masked]>
> From: "List monitor and GA chair." <[email-masked]>
> Date: 08/18/2002 09:00AM
> cc: [email-masked], GA List Monitoring <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings: Sims, 
> Dierker, Field, Fleming
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> during the last two days, the list climate has deteriorated 
> dramatically. This is a reminder to all participants that this is a 
> forum with rules:
> 
> The following rules apply to content of messages on the GA list:
> - The messages must be relevant to the business of the GA
> - The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
> - Not indulging in personal attacks, insults or slander
> - Not using offensive language
> 
> - If the GA Chair or a list monitor asks for a limit to the number 
> of posts per person per day, this must be respected
> 
> - The size of messages should be kept reasonable (there should be a 
> VERY good reason to send a message of more than 10 Kbytes).
> 
> (from http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html)
> 
> We hope that we can quickly return to a GA list where all 
> participants respect this set of rules and stop all personal attacks 
> and insults *IMMEDIATELY*. Those people who keep disrespecting these 
> rules -- a minimum of decorum -- will be put under moderation, as a 
> mild form of what's suggested in the blueprint for reform.
> 
> This warning is directed in particular at the following people:
> 
> -- JOE SIMS for personal attacks ("hoping to rescue an otherwise 
> unimpressive career by finding a niche where you can be 
> perceived as the expert";"Junk like the stuff you post";
> "the real sneers here from serious people are reserved for 
> folks like you")
> 
> -- ERIC DIERKER for personal attacks ("self aggrandizing jackass") 
> and offensive language ("shitty advice")
> 
> -- JEFF FIELD for offensive personal attacks ("arrogant asshole")
> 
> -- JIM FLEMING for breaking the posting limit (Jim Fleming has
> recently received warnings for off-topic postings; this is
> the last warning)
> 
> Please don't reply to this message. Thank you!
> 
> Alexander Svensson Thomas Roessler
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:24:38 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Joe Sims (was RE: [ga] Re: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final  Warnings: Sims, Dierker, Field, Fleming)

Accord is reached with me.
e

Jeff Field wrote:

> Even though, as mentioned in my recent posting, I personally think Joe Sims is an arrogant (fill-in-the-blank) and that ICANN's acknowledged overall failure thus far can be firmly planted at his feet (because ICANN and the Board's collective arrogant "personality" stems from Joe's heavy involvement with the formation of ICANN and ongoing policymaking and policy decisions), I also believe him to be highly intelligent.
>
> It's with that view in mind that I am somewhat at a loss for his recent obvious self-destructive behavior.  With anyone of lesser intelligence, I would pass it off as, "well, that was a stupid thing to do/say".  With Joe, however, I am forced to think of ulterior motives and, whether his actions stem from some intentional plan or his subconscious.  In any case, I guess time will tell.
>
> In the meantime, because I want ICANN to succeed and feel so strongly that Joe Sims (and Jones Day) must have no association with ICANN before real reformation takes place (a view seemingly shared by others), all my efforts regarding ICANN will be directed towards that goal from this point forward.
>
> Anyone who shares this view is invited to contact me directly (contact info is below) with ideas, suggestions, etc. on ways to accomplish this goal and, knowing that just accomplishing that goal is not enough, also welcome are suggestions, ideas, etc. regarding who/what firm might replace Joe/Jones Day.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeff
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Joe Sims
> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:22 PM
> > To: List monitor and GA chair.
> > Cc: [email-masked]
> > Subject: [ga] Re: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings:
> > Sims, Dierker, Field, Fleming
> >
> >
> > And you don't view Froomkin's attack on Jon Cohen as a personal
> > attack?  Please, bar me from posting on this list so I am not
> > tempted to further waste my time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Sims
> > Jones Day Reavis & Pogue
> > 51 Louisiana Avenue NW
> > Washington, D.C. 20001
> > Direct Phone:  1.202.879.3863
> > Direct Fax:  1.202.626.1747
> > Mobile Phone:  1.703.629.3963
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----"List monitor and GA chair." <[email-masked]>
> > wrote: -----
> >
> > To: Joe Sims <[email-masked]>, Eric Dierker
> > <[email-masked]>, Jeff Field <[email-masked]>, Jim Fleming
> > <[email-masked]>
> > From: "List monitor and GA chair." <[email-masked]>
> > Date: 08/18/2002 09:00AM
> > cc: [email-masked], GA List Monitoring <[email-masked]>
> > Subject: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings: Sims,
> > Dierker, Field, Fleming
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > during the last two days, the list climate has deteriorated
> > dramatically. This is a reminder to all participants that this is a
> > forum with rules:
> >
> > The following rules apply to content of messages on the GA list:
> > - The messages must be relevant to the business of the GA
> > - The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
> > - Not indulging in personal attacks, insults or slander
> > - Not using offensive language
> >
> > - If the GA Chair or a list monitor asks for a limit to the number
> > of posts per person per day, this must be respected
> >
> > - The size of messages should be kept reasonable (there should be a
> > VERY good reason to send a message of more than 10 Kbytes).
> >
> > (from http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html)
> >
> > We hope that we can quickly return to a GA list where all
> > participants respect this set of rules and stop all personal attacks
> > and insults *IMMEDIATELY*. Those people who keep disrespecting these
> > rules -- a minimum of decorum -- will be put under moderation, as a
> > mild form of what's suggested in the blueprint for reform.
> >
> > This warning is directed in particular at the following people:
> >
> > -- JOE SIMS for personal attacks ("hoping to rescue an otherwise
> > unimpressive career by finding a niche where you can be
> > perceived as the expert";"Junk like the stuff you post";
> > "the real sneers here from serious people are reserved for
> > folks like you")
> >
> > -- ERIC DIERKER for personal attacks ("self aggrandizing jackass")
> > and offensive language ("shitty advice")
> >
> > -- JEFF FIELD for offensive personal attacks ("arrogant asshole")
> >
> > -- JIM FLEMING for breaking the posting limit (Jim Fleming has
> > recently received warnings for off-topic postings; this is
> > the last warning)
> >
> > Please don't reply to this message. Thank you!
> >
> > Alexander Svensson Thomas Roessler
> > (List Monitor) (Chair)
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:53:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Joe Sims (was RE: [ga] Re: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings: Sims, Dierker, Field, Fleming)

On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Jeff Field wrote:

> It's with that view in mind that I am somewhat at a loss for his recent
>obvious self-destructive behavior.  With anyone of lesser intelligence, I
>would pass it off as, "well, that was a stupid thing to do/say".  With
>Joe, however, I am forced to think of ulterior motives and, whether his
>actions stem from some intentional plan or his subconscious.  In any
>case, I guess time will tell.

maybe it's just heavy drinking.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:36:25 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Where are all the reports?

If I remember correctly, the final input from Becky Burr was scheduled for 16 
August, as was the final input of the names policy-development group.  The 
preliminary ICANN staff report on the dot org divestiture was due August 19, 
as was the ICANN staff report on ALAC.  Last minute editing?
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:35:31 -0700
From: Bret Fausett <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Where are all the reports?

[email-masked] wrote:
> Last minute editing?

Yes, at least as far as the names policy group is concerned. We'll have our
final piece submitted later this week.

     -- Bret

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:47:33 -0500
From: Don Brown <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] WLS Action by BoD

The resolution of the BoD in Bucharest indicated prompt action on WLS
after the TF/NC report/recommendation was delivered to it. The final
report/recommendation was delivered to the BoD on 7/29.

That's about 3 weeks ago.  Is it too soon to expect action from the
BoD on this issue?

Thanks,

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:47:26 -0500
From: Don Brown <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Joe Sims (was RE: [ga] Re: [Monitor & Chair] Reminder and Final Warnings: Sims, Dierker, Field, Fleming)

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I know several lawyers (IANAL - no JD, either), and I've never seen
any of them get directly involved, like this, in the client's affairs.
That may have to do with piercing the client-attorney privilege or the
attorney becoming a fact witness or it could be one of those lawyer's
ethical things - I'll let the real lawyers make that call.

It does appear to me to be strange behavior for a lawyer, however.

As for drinking, lawyer conventions break records at convention
hotels.  How do I know?  I go to them and help, myself. :-)

Thanks,

Monday, August 19, 2002, 5:53:18 PM, Joe Baptista <[email-masked]> wrote:

JB> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Jeff Field wrote:

>> It's with that view in mind that I am somewhat at a loss for his recent
>>obvious self-destructive behavior.  With anyone of lesser intelligence, I
>>would pass it off as, "well, that was a stupid thing to do/say".  With
>>Joe, however, I am forced to think of ulterior motives and, whether his
>>actions stem from some intentional plan or his subconscious.  In any
>>case, I guess time will tell.

JB> maybe it's just heavy drinking.

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:12:40 -0400
From: "L. Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [fwd] RE: [ga] ICANN reimburse $75,000 to GAC for GAC secretariat (from: [email-masked])

On 19 Aug 2002, at 11:37, Joe Baptista wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Thomas Roessler wrote:
> 
> > ----- Forwarded message from [email-masked] -----
> >
> > The ITU did not offer to fund any functions.  The ITU offered to provide,
> > as an in-kind contribution, support for a portion of the secretariat
> > services, in particular basic support for meetings (note-taking, document
> > handling, etc.).
> 
> Sounds a bit like funding to me.  Except I'm not sure what an "in-kind
> contribution" is - could you define that.

In-kind would be trading one service for another to equal the cost of 
either.  It's still funding, but in value for value rather than exchange of 
dollars.  e.g. I fix your car and you fix my computer.

Leah

> 
> thanks
> joe baptista
> 
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