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GA-DIGEST         Saturday, September 2 2000         Volume 01 : Number 137

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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:18:52 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

At 22:09 01/09/00, you wrote:
>Roberto,
>
>> >"An Alternative Root is a DNS root zone containing both ICANN
>> >administered Top Level Domains and additional non-ICANN
>> >administered Top Level Domains."
>> >
>> >Dave has the concept right. But, in order for the DNS root not
>> >to fragment, the ICANN root has to act as the baseline as that
>> >is the lowest common denominator. You mileage may vary with
>> >time.
>>
>>How would you call a root that does not use the ICANN root as baseline?
>
>I'd call it a "Private Root" since it does not reflect the publicly 
>viewable internet name space (anything less than the ICANN baseline is a 
>private name space). It would not be an "Alternative Root" (alt.root) to 
>the "IANA/ICANN root" in the publicaly-viewable sense.

This is true: so the word private is better employed here.
I will then come back to "global root" - in spite of the
conceptual disagreement with Harald - for a root which
includes a global vision of the internet : the additional
TLDs and the public root as a default. This g-root could
be located on the user machine abd built from a TLD
shopping list.

>>(BTW, I assume that you cannot make sure that an alternate root does not
>>  point to different name servers for the TLDs that are also in ICANN's
>>root)
>
>While it's possible, what incentive is there at the end user level to use 
>a zone missing any TLDs?

Many reasons, globally covered by freedom of receiving.

>Maybe an organization can set it's DNS servers up to boycott a ccTLD 
>(think about protesting .ZA during Apartheid), but it's localized to those 
>organizations end users, and can easily be circumvented by anyone 
>knowledgeable.

I prefer a government to forbide the access to ennemy hosts than to forbide 
internet access.

>Thinking about it some more, there's an inherent trust given to all DNS 
>server operators by the end users served. There's nothing stopping the 
>glue records for any domain name or TLD from being changed on any server 
>anywhere on the planet. You can do this at any level - it is not 
>restricted to root servers.

Exactly as when you buy an Alitalia ticket from Rome to NY, you trust them 
to land in NY and you do not feel you should better buy a Delta ticket. But 
you may prefer to fly Alitalia for many reasons.

The same you may prefer use the ".com" public version of someone else than 
NSI.
Example: [family].com: all the adult sites have been removed.
Example: [nobanner].com: all the banner hosts have been replaced by a 
flower banner generator or the company's banner host.
Jefsey

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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:42:27 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] AMAZON

Jamie, Louise, and other UDRP afficionados...

This is an interesting tip: I just read in GreatDomains letter
that AMAZON has resgitered more than1000 DNs with
AMAZON in it this year and they keep going. It shows
these guies have the proper way of doing it: they register first.

Using this serious, professionnal example it could be
construed that if a TM owner does not protect his TM as
a domain name in registering it or initiating an UDRP the
same month as he registers his TM it means he does not
really care about internet.

The same rasoning should apply to old standing TMs; if
they did not tried to register or to protect it after several
years, it means they do not care.

A new TM could obviously not challenge a existing DNs
since it is easy to everyone everywhere to check if a DN
exists. We could propose a Whois program where searches
could be made with entries as *barcelona* to find every
occurence of the word (there is a service like that for
.com .net .org .ws, but I cannot find it back).

This would create a defacto worldwide TM internet class.
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:56:48 -0700
From: "Bret A. Fausett" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Re: Hackers Hijacking ICANN Elections?

> Donnerhacke, Mueller-Maguhn et al are not campaigning at all
> within the English/Spanish/Portuguese/French... speaking
> communities, only to Germans.

German is not a new form of encryption. Imagine how the rest of the world
feels when they go to an ICANN meeting or look at the ICANN web site.

      -- Bret

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:25:06 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Re: Hackers Hijacking ICANN Elections?

Hello Bret,

Friday, September 01, 2000, 3:56:48 PM, you wrote:

>> Donnerhacke, Mueller-Maguhn et al are not campaigning at all
>> within the English/Spanish/Portuguese/French... speaking
>> communities, only to Germans.

> German is not a new form of encryption. Imagine how the rest of the world
> feels when they go to an ICANN meeting or look at the ICANN web site.

Würden Sie das website auf Deutsch zu sein bevorzugen?

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:44:04 -0700
From: "Bret A. Fausett" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Re: Hackers Hijacking ICANN Elections?

> > German is not a new form of encryption. Imagine how the rest of the
world
> > feels when they go to an ICANN meeting or look at the ICANN web site.
>
> Würden Sie das website auf Deutsch zu sein bevorzugen?

No, I'm personally served well by the web site being in English, but I
understand that my preference is not universal.

       -- Bret

p.s. I didn't mean my prior post to be an attack on ICANN's choice of
language; it was just a comment that I saw nothing unfair about German
candidates speaking German to German voters, even if they chose to do so
exclusively.

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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:12:31 -0700
From: "Michael F. McNulty" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] AMAZON

Terrible logic.
The only reason Amazon would register hundreds and hundreds of domains
that it does not need or use,
is to avoid the legal expenses of shutting down the leeches that prey on
other companies' names.
Why should any company have to squander these resources just to avoid
pirates?
Michael McNulty

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Jamie, Louise, and other UDRP afficionados...
>
> This is an interesting tip: I just read in GreatDomains letter
> that AMAZON has resgitered more than1000 DNs with
> AMAZON in it this year and they keep going. It shows
> these guies have the proper way of doing it: they register first.
>
> Using this serious, professionnal example it could be
> construed that if a TM owner does not protect his TM as
> a domain name in registering it or initiating an UDRP the
> same month as he registers his TM it means he does not
> really care about internet.
>
> The same rasoning should apply to old standing TMs; if
> they did not tried to register or to protect it after several
> years, it means they do not care.
>
> A new TM could obviously not challenge a existing DNs
> since it is easy to everyone everywhere to check if a DN
> exists. We could propose a Whois program where searches
> could be made with entries as *barcelona* to find every
> occurence of the word (there is a service like that for
> .com .net .org .ws, but I cannot find it back).
>
> This would create a defacto worldwide TM internet class.
> Jefsey
>
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:27:12 -0400
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] AMAZON

> Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> 
> > Jamie, Louise, and other UDRP afficionados...
> >
> > This is an interesting tip: I just read in GreatDomains letter
> > that AMAZON has resgitered more than1000 DNs with
> > AMAZON in it this year and they keep going. It shows
> > these guies have the proper way of doing it: they register first.

I'm completeley boggled here. I find it extremely difficult to believe
you're serious.

If Amazon are registering hundreds of domains, then either their
business practices or the domain system are seriously flawed. Perhaps
both? 

and "Michael F. McNulty" replied:
> 
> Terrible logic.
> The only reason Amazon would register hundreds and hundreds of domains
> that it does not need or use,
> is to avoid the legal expenses of shutting down the leeches that prey on
> other companies' names.
> Why should any company have to squander these resources just to avoid
> pirates?

I'd say the interesting question was, if they've registered amazon.org
and amazon.net, do we have any procedure whereby a group of muscular
women (an ORGanisation of Amazons) or a Brazilian ISP (a NET in the
Amazon) can take those away? Could the UDRP do that?

I suspect it is far too late for this view, but it seems to me freeing
up namespace Amazon might be monopolizing with such registrations is a
legitimate thing for ICANN to be doing. This would benefit the net.

It is far less clear that protecting trademarks does anything for the
net. In fact, I consider it an open question whether the mechanisms
put in place will do damage.

As for amazon-cds.com and amazon-paperbacks.com, I do not see a large
problem.
	They can register them if they like.
	If someone beats them to it, they may have legal redress under
	  trademark laws.
	Those are appropriate things for the dispute resolution mechanism
	 to deal with.

In any case, once they've got amazon.com, they automatically have any
subdomains they care to create. cds.amazon.com, paperbacks.amazon.com,
... whatever they like. So there's absolutely no problem of restricted
resources in that namespace.
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:28:04 -0700
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] AMAZON

On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 10:27:12PM -0400, Sandy Harris wrote:
> I'd say the interesting question was, if they've registered amazon.org
> and amazon.net, do we have any procedure whereby a group of muscular
> women (an ORGanisation of Amazons)

amazon.org already is an organization of amazons.  amazon.net is a 
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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 16:25:46 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

At 12:01 1/09/00 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote:
>Alf Hansen wrote:
>
>> I would say that even if the systems using this alternate root are using
>> internet technology, they are not part of The Internet. They do not follow
>> the rules they have to follow to be part of the global Internet family,
>> which is based on cooperation.
>
>What about some of the "intellectual property" interests? There's actually
>someone on the names counsel from MPAA, an organisation that sues webmasters
>over their links and molests teenagers about code they have posted.
>
>These people are far more foreign to the net than anyone playing about
>with alternate roots.
>--
Here I agree with Sandy.
These people are a threat to Internet stability the way they talk about
"taking down Domains".   Their mentality of that of litigation lawyers:
make a claim as absurd  as you can get away with, if it is resisted, tough
luck, if the respondent has no funds to fight, you win. 
Of these people you can truly say that they are not "part of the global
Internet family, which is based on cooperation."

- --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--  
the Cyberspace Association and 
the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
http://www.idno.org  

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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 01:21:09 -0500
From: Peter Veeck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] AMAZON

What happened with The Amazon Bookstore in Minneapolis, MN.

Is Amazon.com going to populate the 1000 sites?  If not isn't this
cybersquating?

Peter Veeck

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Jamie, Louise, and other UDRP afficionados...
>
> This is an interesting tip: I just read in GreatDomains letter
> that AMAZON has resgitered more than1000 DNs with
> AMAZON in it this year and they keep going. It shows
> these guies have the proper way of doing it: they register first.
>
> Using this serious, professionnal example it could be
> construed that if a TM owner does not protect his TM as
> a domain name in registering it or initiating an UDRP the
> same month as he registers his TM it means he does not
> really care about internet.
>
> The same rasoning should apply to old standing TMs; if
> they did not tried to register or to protect it after several
> years, it means they do not care.
>
> A new TM could obviously not challenge a existing DNs
> since it is easy to everyone everywhere to check if a DN
> exists. We could propose a Whois program where searches
> could be made with entries as *barcelona* to find every
> occurence of the word (there is a service like that for
> .com .net .org .ws, but I cannot find it back).
>
> This would create a defacto worldwide TM internet class.
> Jefsey
>
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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 11:50:58 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] New TM rules for our intended TLDs

Dames and Gentlemen,

we had a meeting yesterday at one of the three comities
for new TLDs I am involved with. The current outcome is as follows:

- -  the Internet routing rules must be simple, clear, understandable
    by everyone and out of any "legalities"

- -  UDRP could be used with two provisions:

    - domain names should be defined in it, question: is it possible
      as erroneous legal definition may already exist?
    - rules should be added/managed to avoid conflicts, as follows.

Rules :

- -  registering a DN is starting a business as long as the DN
    goes to an error page (to avoid delays to other users).

- -  no UDRP can be filed against a dormant DN, as this may be
    pure legal intelligence, to obtain information on competition
    projects or any other form of anticomptitive action.

- -  the opening of the new TLD will be published. For 3 months
    we will register DN requests from TM/company name/private
    name owners. Final registration will be granted to unique
    demanders. Others will have to participate to a common
    UDRP round to decide the winner.

- -  every domain name registration will be confirmed only one
    month after request (operations may start immediately) and
    a new registration list published. This will allow new TM
    owners having registered a TM less than 30 days before
    the DN request to file an UDRP.

The aim is to create a de facto group of worldwide TLD
classes for Industrial Property and to use the revised UDRP as
an interim tool for the initial period of this concept, and
occasionally for other conflicts. We are ready to give ICC,
WIPO, NSI, etc..  accreditations if they accept these particular
rules for the TLDs we intend to manage in a collaborative
way with the registrants.

I want also to note that the three comities I am involved with
will imply nameserver software modifications. To - in total or
in part - support innovative concepts making most of the
"traditional" (?) Domain Name definition partial or obsolete,
in a fully transparent way to the DNS system and in
accordance with ICANN requirements.

We would thank you for your comments and suggestions. The
file to be submitted to the ICANN (or released to the press) is
under preparation.
Jefsey

At 08:21 02/09/00, you wrote:
>What happened with The Amazon Bookstore in Minneapolis, MN.
>Is Amazon.com going to populate the 1000 sites?  If not isn't this
>cybersquating?
>Peter Veeck

It is pure business protection. At least legal cost.
Could you give me the US legal definition of cybersquatting
(I do not know where I can find the law on line)? Thx.

>Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> > Jamie, Louise, and other UDRP afficionados...
> >
> > This is an interesting tip: I just read in GreatDomains letter
> > that AMAZON has resgitered more than1000 DNs with
> > AMAZON in it this year and they keep going. It shows
> > these guies have the proper way of doing it: they register first.
> >
> > Using this serious, professionnal example it could be
> > construed that if a TM owner does not protect his TM as
> > a domain name in registering it or initiating an UDRP the
> > same month as he registers his TM it means he does not
> > really care about internet.
> >
> > The same rasoning should apply to old standing TMs; if
> > they did not tried to register or to protect it after several
> > years, it means they do not care.
> >
> > A new TM could obviously not challenge a existing DNs
> > since it is easy to everyone everywhere to check if a DN
> > exists. We could propose a Whois program where searches
> > could be made with entries as *barcelona* to find every
> > occurence of the word (there is a service like that for
> > .com .net .org .ws, but I cannot find it back).
> >
> > This would create a defacto worldwide TM internet class.
> > Jefsey
> >
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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 11:32:06 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] AMAZON

Dames and Gentlemen,

we had a meeting yesterday at one of the three comities
for new TLDs I am involved with. The current outcome is as follows:

- -  the internet routing rules must be simple, clear, understandable
    by everyone.

- -  UDRP could be used with two provisions:
    - domain names should be defined in it, question: is it possible
      as erroneous legal definition may already exist
    - rules should be added/managed to avoid conflicts, as follows.

Rules :

- -  registering a DN is starting a business.

- -  no UDRP can be filed against a dormant DN, as this may be
    pure legal intelligence, to obtain information on competition.

- -  the opening of the new TLD will be published. For 3 months
    we will register DN requests from TM/company name/private
    name owners. Final registration will be granted to unique
    demanders. Others will have to participate to a common
    UDRP to decide the winner.

- -  every domain name registration will be confirmed one month
    after request and a current registration request list published.
    Only TM owners having registered their TM less than 30 days
    before the DN request will be entitled to file an UDRP.

We would thank you for your comments and suggestions. The
file to be submitted to the ICANN (or released to the press) is
under preparation.
Jefsey

At 08:21 02/09/00, you wrote:
>What happened with The Amazon Bookstore in Minneapolis, MN.
>Is Amazon.com going to populate the 1000 sites?  If not isn't this
>cybersquating?
>Peter Veeck

It is pure business protection. At least legal cost.
Could you give me the US legal definition of cybersquatting
(I do not know where I can find the law on line)? Thx.

>Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> > Jamie, Louise, and other UDRP afficionados...
> >
> > This is an interesting tip: I just read in GreatDomains letter
> > that AMAZON has resgitered more than1000 DNs with
> > AMAZON in it this year and they keep going. It shows
> > these guies have the proper way of doing it: they register first.
> >
> > Using this serious, professionnal example it could be
> > construed that if a TM owner does not protect his TM as
> > a domain name in registering it or initiating an UDRP the
> > same month as he registers his TM it means he does not
> > really care about internet.
> >
> > The same rasoning should apply to old standing TMs; if
> > they did not tried to register or to protect it after several
> > years, it means they do not care.
> >
> > A new TM could obviously not challenge a existing DNs
> > since it is easy to everyone everywhere to check if a DN
> > exists. We could propose a Whois program where searches
> > could be made with entries as *barcelona* to find every
> > occurence of the word (there is a service like that for
> > .com .net .org .ws, but I cannot find it back).
> >
> > This would create a defacto worldwide TM internet class.
> > Jefsey
> >
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:11:34 +0200
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:      Re: Hackers Hijacking ICANN Elections?

Louise, 
many thanks for your kind replay.

> > I can't believe this. Do you really think that germans 
communicate in
> > german only?

> No, of course not - sorry I cut off the part of the previous mail that
> referred to Donnerhacke etc and the Chaos Computer Club in the follow up
> mail:

> all the links that he provides are to pages in German, and the search
> engine ones I have found also. 

A simple, non-nationalistic explanation for this would be that many 
european candidates were not well prepared for the sudden 
international attention they've got. However, all of the candidates 
are more or less able to express themselves in english.  

> > [email-masked] is a mailing list for european candidates and
> > voters.
> > Its archive can be found here: http://angua.rince.de/icann-europe/
> 
> Excellent, thanks for telling me about it. How many people know about it? Is
> http://angua.rince.de a reasonably well-known site among people interested
> in ICANN issues?

The owner of the list has asked  all european candidates to 
subscribe. At least two of the officially nominated candidates are 
among the subscribers; Schueller from German Telekom as a 
lurker, Alf Hansen from Scandinavia as an active participant. 
Last week some 130 people had subscribed to the list. 

This list is the first attempt to initiate a transnational discussion 
among the european at large members. We are still at an early 
stage, however, I'd expect the list to grow in the near future. 

And a final remark about our allegedly german campaigning. Most 
of the european candidates havn't done any active campaigning so 
far. It's the german press that approaches us and asks for 
interviews or background information. 
As some of you may know, the european public sphere is still very 
fragmented. While the german press has covered the election quite 
extensively, the major papers in GB, France, Italy, Austria, 
Switzerland, Spain, the Netherlands and so on have preferred to 
ignore the matter. 
Thus, the german focus should be regarded as an effect rather
than an intention on the candidates'  side. 
I don't feel comfortable with this situation - not least because it 
does injustice to non-german candidates. Any practical 
suggestions as to how this imbalance could be changed are 
welcome and may be directed to [email-masked] 

jeanette 
> >
> > Hopefully, this of any help for further background investigations.
> >
> > jeanette
> >
> >
> >
> >  This geographical constituency
> > > thing is really artificial. Here we vote in the dark or don't vote at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > Louise
> > >
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:12:33 +0100
From: "Louise Ferguson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Fw: [ga] Re:      Re: Hackers Hijacking ICANN Elections?

Jeanette wrote:
> > A simple, non-nationalistic explanation for this would be that many
> > european candidates were not well prepared for the sudden
> > international attention they've got.
>
> Absolutely true.
>
> However, all of the candidates
> > are more or less able to express themselves in english.
>
> Agreed, many can, and some of the continental European ones very well. My
> preoccupation was with people like Donnerhacke, who
> a) have an almost incomprehensible ICANN page
> b) seems to have posted little in English - what he has posted on ICB
Tollfree
> (ibctollfree.com) in response to Judith Oppenheimer's survey questions
makes
> him VERY unattactive to me, but he talks about his 'customers', so my
> question is "does he have some kind of business agenda" ie some kind of
> constituency he is addressing that I don't know about, or "was that just a
> language error and am I not reading him right"?
> c) are high on the nominations
> and d) then, in his case, we find out he is a member of CCC, from the
press
> (I assume people in Germany knew about this already - but Lutz Donnerhacke
> doesn't mention it anywhere on his material in English). For me, this is
> misrepresentation. If people are voting in Germany with that info, and we
> don't have that info and don't know what CCC is, then we are comparatively
> in the dark. Then I try and find out about the CCC, and of course the
> info is in German. I hope you understand my position.
>
> I don't want to appear nationalistic or linguaphobic (if there is such a
> word ;-))
> I speak several languages, am a qualified translator and in my immediate
> family we are four different nationalities. My point is the difficulty
> created by the language barrier in Europe means that people in for example
> Spain or the UK have a lot more problems getting a complete picture of
these
> candidates, and these candidates are the ones that are probably going to
be
> nominated. It's much easier for me to find out what Karl Auerbach really
thinks
> than what Lutz Donnerhacke really thinks. But I can't vote for Auerbach.
>
> > The owner of the list has asked  all european candidates to
> > subscribe. At least two of the officially nominated candidates are
> > among the subscribers; Schueller from German Telekom as a
> > lurker, Alf Hansen from Scandinavia as an active participant.
> > Last week some 130 people had subscribed to the list.
> >
> > This list is the first attempt to initiate a transnational discussion
> > among the european at large members. We are still at an early
> > stage, however, I'd expect the list to grow in the near future.
>
> If only ICANN had given a real forum for the different zones, then so many
> more people would know. ICANN is like a black hole. No-one I know here
knows
> anything about the list on the German server, and it is already 2
September.
> >
> > And a final remark about our allegedly german campaigning. Most
> > of the european candidates havn't done any active campaigning so
> > far. It's the german press that approaches us and asks for
> > interviews or background information.
> > As some of you may know, the european public sphere is still very
> > fragmented. While the german press has covered the election quite
> > extensively, the major papers in GB, France, Italy, Austria,
> > Switzerland, Spain, the Netherlands and so on have preferred to
> > ignore the matter.
>
> This is also a chicken-and-egg problem. If the main candidates are German,
> the Spanish or UK press won't cover it, because they (the press) are quite
> nationalistic. There have been articles in the Guardian here, but not
many.
> In Spain the journalists don't know what ICANN is or what WIPO is or what
> NSI is (I read one story in the Spanish press last week that said WIPO had
> ruled against (?!) Network Resolution (!?) - the person obviously didn't
know
> what they were writing about).
>
> > Thus, the german focus should be regarded as an effect rather
> > than an intention on the candidates'  side.
>
> True.
>
> > I don't feel comfortable with this situation - not least because it
> > does injustice to non-german candidates. Any practical
> > suggestions as to how this imbalance could be changed are
> > welcome and may be directed to [email-masked]
>
> Well, I think the fact that so many Germans registered with At Large was
> bound to mean that it was German candidates who would receive the support.
> Europe is still many nations.
Perhaps some kind of cross-national 'ticket' system like the US
presidentials ;-)
>
> Louise>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:35:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick H Wesson <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [icann-candidates] New TM rules for our intended TLDs

Jefsey,

ok what committees are you talking about? Are these 3 entities that are
submitting proposals fronm new gTLDs? If so I'll just wait till the
proposals are publishedand review them then.

- -rick

On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Jefsey Morfin wrote:

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> Dames and Gentlemen,
> 
> we had a meeting yesterday at one of the three comities
> for new TLDs I am involved with. The current outcome is as follows:
> 
> -  the Internet routing rules must be simple, clear, understandable
>     by everyone and out of any "legalities"
> 
> -  UDRP could be used with two provisions:
> 
>     - domain names should be defined in it, question: is it possible
>       as erroneous legal definition may already exist?
>     - rules should be added/managed to avoid conflicts, as follows.
> 
> Rules :
> 
> -  registering a DN is starting a business as long as the DN
>     goes to an error page (to avoid delays to other users).
> 
> -  no UDRP can be filed against a dormant DN, as this may be
>     pure legal intelligence, to obtain information on competition
>     projects or any other form of anticomptitive action.
> 
> -  the opening of the new TLD will be published. For 3 months
>     we will register DN requests from TM/company name/private
>     name owners. Final registration will be granted to unique
>     demanders. Others will have to participate to a common
>     UDRP round to decide the winner.
> 
> -  every domain name registration will be confirmed only one
>     month after request (operations may start immediately) and
>     a new registration list published. This will allow new TM
>     owners having registered a TM less than 30 days before
>     the DN request to file an UDRP.
> 
> The aim is to create a de facto group of worldwide TLD
> classes for Industrial Property and to use the revised UDRP as
> an interim tool for the initial period of this concept, and
> occasionally for other conflicts. We are ready to give ICC,
> WIPO, NSI, etc..  accreditations if they accept these particular
> rules for the TLDs we intend to manage in a collaborative
> way with the registrants.
> 
> I want also to note that the three comities I am involved with
> will imply nameserver software modifications. To - in total or
> in part - support innovative concepts making most of the
> "traditional" (?) Domain Name definition partial or obsolete,
> in a fully transparent way to the DNS system and in
> accordance with ICANN requirements.
> 
> We would thank you for your comments and suggestions. The
> file to be submitted to the ICANN (or released to the press) is
> under preparation.
> Jefsey
> 
> At 08:21 02/09/00, you wrote:
> >What happened with The Amazon Bookstore in Minneapolis, MN.
> >Is Amazon.com going to populate the 1000 sites?  If not isn't this
> >cybersquating?
> >Peter Veeck
> 
> It is pure business protection. At least legal cost.
> Could you give me the US legal definition of cybersquatting
> (I do not know where I can find the law on line)? Thx.
> 
> >Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> > > Jamie, Louise, and other UDRP afficionados...
> > >
> > > This is an interesting tip: I just read in GreatDomains letter
> > > that AMAZON has resgitered more than1000 DNs with
> > > AMAZON in it this year and they keep going. It shows
> > > these guies have the proper way of doing it: they register first.
> > >
> > > Using this serious, professionnal example it could be
> > > construed that if a TM owner does not protect his TM as
> > > a domain name in registering it or initiating an UDRP the
> > > same month as he registers his TM it means he does not
> > > really care about internet.
> > >
> > > The same rasoning should apply to old standing TMs; if
> > > they did not tried to register or to protect it after several
> > > years, it means they do not care.
> > >
> > > A new TM could obviously not challenge a existing DNs
> > > since it is easy to everyone everywhere to check if a DN
> > > exists. We could propose a Whois program where searches
> > > could be made with entries as *barcelona* to find every
> > > occurence of the word (there is a service like that for
> > > .com .net .org .ws, but I cannot find it back).
> > >
> > > This would create a defacto worldwide TM internet class.
> > > Jefsey
> > >
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