Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1358
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GA-DIGEST           Tuesday, August 6 2002           Volume 01 : Number 1358

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:22:08 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

Monday, August 05, 2002, 11:12:08 AM, Gary Osbourne wrote:
> Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
> Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm
> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=a&mapdata=i8rr6UmMevOWYQS5T
> %2f7w9XJwfQLjuDnKO8qRCWArhD7DApDOxIMQcwX%2fNZAsafl7RuNybLS51jtuWSlOHLt
> GjEWmnimxXgLbWJGWc6Ju4KaHkfVdWm5UtCLI%2bQhZK7zU9R%2b8SEsWzV%2bfebExpAX
> T3CkWS2Tv%2bc8ApW%2bXSManTwDj7ygxpGxZXrFdrcrmPQyt6P9avifn21dMOVRmsyZ9w
> Z0C9iO2T0thh%2f8JcJJyEg8s46rDeIuQ0V753qW9SThHcWlAh2S24a2AYK7%2fI4bQY96
> 2uRJjH%2bhTFgvXPeZLTUxoX%2fr5VSKNrwzTmOED5u2dCGZb8t7dIjNh4mXmWYmwcMvmI
> 58XgfvOVDI7Xgm9%2bWnBWHOzTWsDVQ%3d%3d

FYI, a LOT of people will have a hard time with this URL.

If you want to use it, I created a redirector:

http://www.wxweb.com/jw-address.phtml  You can link to it, and it will
redirect them to the proper URL.

Or you can do it yourself on another site, it just uses the php
function:

<?php
header("Location: http://blah/blah");
?>

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:45:25 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

At 11:12 AM -0700 8/5/02, Gary Osbourne wrote:
>Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
>Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm
>http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=a&mapdata=i8rr6UmMevOWYQS5T
>%2f7w9XJwfQLjuDnKO8qRCWArhD7DApDOxIMQcwX%2fNZAsafl7RuNybLS51jtuWSlOHLt
>GjEWmnimxXgLbWJGWc6Ju4KaHkfVdWm5UtCLI%2bQhZK7zU9R%2b8SEsWzV%2bfebExpAX
>T3CkWS2Tv%2bc8ApW%2bXSManTwDj7ygxpGxZXrFdrcrmPQyt6P9avifn21dMOVRmsyZ9w
>Z0C9iO2T0thh%2f8JcJJyEg8s46rDeIuQ0V753qW9SThHcWlAh2S24a2AYK7%2fI4bQY96
>2uRJjH%2bhTFgvXPeZLTUxoX%2fr5VSKNrwzTmOED5u2dCGZb8t7dIjNh4mXmWYmwcMvmI
>58XgfvOVDI7Xgm9%2bWnBWHOzTWsDVQ%3d%3d

Oh dear! INEG's ICBM Silo HQ is a secret, no more.

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:40:29 -0400
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

"Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm"

Its actually more than a dirt farm now - there has been a lot of development
in that area and Sabre is building a massive complex at the end of East
Grapevine. Jeff's office is however still just a dirt lot...

See http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk1.jpg (Grapevine from the highway) ,
http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk2.jpg (the entrance to the new development that
the INEG office/datacenter/fiction is located) and
http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk3.jpg (the actual location of the INEG
office/datacenter/fiction) for a mini-tour.

Thanks,

- -rwr

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Osbourne" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

> At 05:26 AM 05/08/02 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> >Gary Osbourne wrote:
> > > Oh really? Please point to where it was published before.
> >
> >   Well the archives for this ML have a huge amount of
> >references for instance. Start around '99 and go forward in
> >time from there.. Also the NCDNHC Archives
> >have substantial number of posts and other references
> >as well.
>
> Jeff, if you can't provide even minimal pointers to your
> claims, as you recently failed to do for Danny Younger on
> the RAA, then even if people otherwise had reason to
> believe you, they wouldn't believe you.
>
> The VeriSign/CENTR/.ac document, which is central to the
> article, has only recently been published, how could it
> appear in any archives in 1999? It is not mostly old info
> as you alleged in the body and title of your response.
> You are being misleading, and one can only assume that
> that is intentional as it happens so often.
>
> >   Yes I know. But Ted is credited with the article.
>
> http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=889&mode=nested&order=1
>
> No he isn't, I am as fnord, and have been since it was
> published. Ted is listed as the ICANNWatch editor who
> published it, and has been since it was published. Here
> you are repeating a false assertion I have already
> corrected you on once, you are again being misleading,
> so it must be intentional. See FAQ at bottom for various
> other examples of Jeff Williams being misleading. I
> didn't write the FAQ, but I think I'll help maintain
> and publish it.
>
> To answer WXW's GA list question, while certainly most
> here well know that Jeff Williams is a net.kook and
> being intentionally misleading is his stock in trade,
> on the ICANNAtLarge list he crossposted to (and perhaps
> at other crosspost destinations, what happened to the
> GA crosspost rule?) there are a number of folks (many
> new to the process) who are not at least initially
> aware of the facts regarding Jeff Williams. So I think
> it should be pointed out from time to time. If Jeff
> Williams continues to respond to my posts, and then
> crossposts them to all and sundry, I suppose I will
> continue to respond to some of his. I am sending this
> separately to various of his crossposts. -g
>
> ----
> Jeff Williams FAQ:
>
> Why is there no web site for an organization with 124,000 people?
> Because it doesn't exist.
>
> The first phone number he lists in his sig file, 972-244-3801,
> is "out of order".
>
> Grapevine, TX Chamber of Commerce has no record of INEG Group
> (The original author of this FAQ telephoned them).
> http://www.grapevinechamber.org/members.cfm?charpass=I
>
> Jeff Williams FAQs from other lists.
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc03/msg00615.html
> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08015.html
>
> Jeff Williams claiming to be a lawyer
> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html
>
> Non-existence of INEG
> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/02722.html
>
> Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
> Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm
> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=a&mapdata=i8rr6UmMevOWYQS5T
> %2f7w9XJwfQLjuDnKO8qRCWArhD7DApDOxIMQcwX%2fNZAsafl7RuNybLS51jtuWSlOHLt
> GjEWmnimxXgLbWJGWc6Ju4KaHkfVdWm5UtCLI%2bQhZK7zU9R%2b8SEsWzV%2bfebExpAX
> T3CkWS2Tv%2bc8ApW%2bXSManTwDj7ygxpGxZXrFdrcrmPQyt6P9avifn21dMOVRmsyZ9w
> Z0C9iO2T0thh%2f8JcJJyEg8s46rDeIuQ0V753qW9SThHcWlAh2S24a2AYK7%2fI4bQY96
> 2uRJjH%2bhTFgvXPeZLTUxoX%2fr5VSKNrwzTmOED5u2dCGZb8t7dIjNh4mXmWYmwcMvmI
> 58XgfvOVDI7Xgm9%2bWnBWHOzTWsDVQ%3d%3d
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:48:44 -0400
From: "John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Snapnames patent applications published

> This is a clear example of how our Patent system needs to be
> completely revamped.  This is a patent that should never have been
> issued.

These are published applications, not issued patents.  Certainly, you should
keep your prior art references handy.

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:29:31 -0500
From: "Hugh Blair" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Ross Wm. Rader

> Jeff's office is however still just a dirt lot...
> 
> See http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk1.jpg (Grapevine from the highway) ,
> http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk2.jpg (the entrance to the new 
> development that
> the INEG office/datacenter/fiction is located) and
> http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk3.jpg (the actual location of the INEG
> office/datacenter/fiction) for a mini-tour.

Or are all the $billion$ stored in an underground chamber? That's it.
He's fooled us all. INEG in Grapevine is underground! Using a TOP 
secret phone number and system. What with all his CIA contacts,
surely they've set up living quarters for all those 124k members.

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:18:34 +1000
From: "Dassa" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: and if we addressed the problem at its real root? (was Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform)

|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] 
|> On Behalf Of todd glassey
|> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:37 AM
|> To: Vittorio Bertola; Sandy Harris; J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
|> Cc: [email-masked]; vint cerf
|> Subject: [ga] Re: and if we addressed the problem at its 
|> real root? (was Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform)
|> 
<SNIP> 
|> However - A simple solution based on  NAT and Search 
|> Engines, which did not exist when DNS was formulated or 
|> evolved, is easily fielded. And if they ( the Search Engines 
|> and NAT) had existed at the time that DNS was setup, then 
|> its my opinion that  DNS would look much different. instead 
|> of like the stand-alone embedded address resolution system 
|> it is today.
<SNIP>

Todd

You might like to study NAT and the problems that exist with it's use
before you go touting it off as part of any solution involving DNS.  NAT
breaks a lot of DNS related communications at the application level.

Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:50:14 -0700
From: "todd glassey" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: and if we addressed the problem at its real root? (was Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform)

Dassa
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dassa" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: and if we addressed the problem at its real root? (was
Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform)

> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> |> On Behalf Of todd glassey
> |> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:37 AM
> |> To: Vittorio Bertola; Sandy Harris; J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> |> Cc: [email-masked]; vint cerf
> |> Subject: [ga] Re: and if we addressed the problem at its
> |> real root? (was Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform)
> |>
> <SNIP>
> |> However - A simple solution based on  NAT and Search
> |> Engines, which did not exist when DNS was formulated or
> |> evolved, is easily fielded. And if they ( the Search Engines
> |> and NAT) had existed at the time that DNS was setup, then
> |> its my opinion that  DNS would look much different. instead
> |> of like the stand-alone embedded address resolution system
> |> it is today.
> <SNIP>
>
> Todd
>
> You might like to study NAT and the problems that exist with it's use
> before you go touting it off as part of any solution involving DNS.

I have a better one. I have a set of gateways up, and running in my lab
with a couple of WAN-channel simulators on it; The system ha several
load generating systems ad it emulates essentially a tunnel-forwarded
infrastructure at an OC3 throughput without any real issue. In fact after
some more work I will be filing this with the IETF as a practical
endorsement of the Internet-II architetcure.

The issues come into managing NAT gateways and the pain involved, not in
whether the tunnel headers can be effectively rewritten and tracked and that
is identical to the way DNS was managed 10 years ago. Just give it a year or
two and tools for managing the NAT topology and translations will also be
there.

> NAT
> breaks a lot of DNS related communications at the application level.

...but since this is because those technologies were never built to use a
NAT client, embedding a NAT infrastructure that looks just like a DNS
calling model to the Client cures most of these breakages, and for those
that it doesn't, they are easily rewritten... and hence - this also becomes
no problem. Personally my take is that the developers will rebuild them with
a NAT gateway infrastructure too!

Don't let simple issues stop you from the bigger achievement. There is
nothing technical that cannot be accomplished - its all a matter of the cost
of ownership and after some period of evolution, the NAT model will work
just fine... Whether you personally buy in or not.

Take care -
Todd

>
> Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.
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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:52:40 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] comments please

Eric and all assembly members,

  None of the below.  Rather it is a lack of trust, ethics and integrity

in the DNSO GA via the ICANN BoD and staff...

[email-masked] wrote:

> Figure it for posterity's sake.
> Would you far wiser pundits please comment on the following;
>
> Why has the GA just plain shrivelled up?
>
> The Blueprint?
>
> TR's management?
>
> The focus on the AL movement?
>
> No issues?
>
> Lack of efficacy?
>
> Or just plain end of interest?
> Of course a bit of all the above may well be the answer.
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [email-masked]
Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:03:08 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Snapnames patent applications published

WXW and all assembly members,

  I agree that the USPTO and the patent process needs revamping.
However that said, you or any of your 10 others can always challenge
the patent filing of Snapnames in court or through the USPTO.  I am
sure such will get the attention such a filing deserves...
All the information you need to do so can be located
here: http://www.uspto.gov/main/contacts.htm

William X Walsh wrote:

> I have prior art.  Development of a system that does everything
> identified in the Patent dating back to early 1999.  As a matter of
> fact, the Userfriendly.com domain name (Which I sold earlier this
> year) was registered using that software.  This software was
> distributed to third parties, who in turn used and made enhancements
> of the software, which were then further distributed.
>
> If anyone becomes aware of any legal cases involving this Patent, I am
> sure that myself and the at least 10 others who used and developed
> this software would make ourselves available if needed.
>
> This is a clear example of how our Patent system needs to be
> completely revamped.  This is a patent that should never have been
> issued.
>
> Monday, August 05, 2002, 9:01:54 AM, John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D. wrote:
>
> > The long-touted Snapnames patent applications are now available online at
> > uspto.gov.
>
> > United States Patent Application 20020091827
> > Kind Code  A1
> > King, Raymond ;   et al.  July 11, 2002
>
> > Domain name acquisition and management system and method
>
> > Inventors: King, Raymond; (Portland, OR) ; Wiener, Ron; (Portland, OR) ;
> > Bayles, Len Albert; (Salt Lake City, UT)
>
> > Serial No.:  016497
> > Series Code:  10
> > Filed:  November 1, 2001
>
> > This application is a continuation of and claims priority from U.S.
> > Provisional Patent Application No. 60/245,102, filed Nov. 1, 2000, and U.S.
> > Provisional Patent Application No. 60/248,341, filed Nov. 13, 2000.
>
> > 1. A method for effectuating a succeeding registration of a domain name for
> > an interested entity following the expiration of a prior registration of the
> > domain name, the method comprising the steps of: receiving from an interested
> > entity a request identifying a domain name having a registered status; and
> > automatically: determining an expiration date for the status; defining a time
> > period for checking the status based on the expiration date; periodically
> > checking the status at a predefined frequency within the time period; and
> > when the status indicates that the domain name is registrable, requesting
> > registration of the domain name for the interested entity.
>
> > ---------------------
>
> > United States Patent Application 20020091703
> > Kind Code  A1
> > Bayles, Len Albert  July 11, 2002
>
> > Registry-integrated internet domain name acquisition system
>
> > Serial No.:  016498
> > Series Code:  10
> > Filed:  November 1, 2001
>
> > 1. A domain name registry system comprising: a registry database containing a
> > current registration record for a domain name, the current registration
> > record having an expiration date; a registry management system, having access
> > to the registry database, to delete the current registration record after the
> > expiration date, to issue a public delete notification, and to add a new
> > registration record for a first requesting registrar; an acquisition database
> > containing an acquisition request from a specific registrar to acquire the
> > domain name as soon as practicable following the expiration date and
> > preceding the public delete notification; and an acquisition engine to
> > receive from the registry management system a pending delete notification,
> > the pending delete notification preceding the public delete notification, to
> > access the acquisition request from the acquisition database, and to request
> > the registry management system to add the new registration for the specific
> > registrar.
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:37:27 -0500
From: Don Brown <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

Gee and to think I was upset that you didn't invite me to dinner when
you came to Dallas :-)

Monday, August 5, 2002, 3:40:29 PM, Ross Wm. Rader <[email-masked]> wrote:
RWR> "Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
RWR> Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm"

RWR> Its actually more than a dirt farm now - there has been a lot of development
RWR> in that area and Sabre is building a massive complex at the end of East
RWR> Grapevine. Jeff's office is however still just a dirt lot...

RWR> See http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk1.jpg (Grapevine from the highway) ,
RWR> http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk2.jpg (the entrance to the new development that
RWR> the INEG office/datacenter/fiction is located) and
RWR> http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk3.jpg (the actual location of the INEG
RWR> office/datacenter/fiction) for a mini-tour.

RWR> Thanks,

RWR> -rwr

RWR> ----- Original Message -----
RWR> From: "Gary Osbourne" <[email-masked]>
RWR> To: <[email-masked]>
RWR> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:12 PM
RWR> Subject: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

>> At 05:26 AM 05/08/02 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
>>
>> >Gary Osbourne wrote:
>> > > Oh really? Please point to where it was published before.
>> >
>> >   Well the archives for this ML have a huge amount of
>> >references for instance. Start around '99 and go forward in
>> >time from there.. Also the NCDNHC Archives
>> >have substantial number of posts and other references
>> >as well.
>>
>> Jeff, if you can't provide even minimal pointers to your
>> claims, as you recently failed to do for Danny Younger on
>> the RAA, then even if people otherwise had reason to
>> believe you, they wouldn't believe you.
>>
>> The VeriSign/CENTR/.ac document, which is central to the
>> article, has only recently been published, how could it
>> appear in any archives in 1999? It is not mostly old info
>> as you alleged in the body and title of your response.
>> You are being misleading, and one can only assume that
>> that is intentional as it happens so often.
>>
>> >   Yes I know. But Ted is credited with the article.
>>
>> http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=889&mode=nested&order=1
>>
>> No he isn't, I am as fnord, and have been since it was
>> published. Ted is listed as the ICANNWatch editor who
>> published it, and has been since it was published. Here
>> you are repeating a false assertion I have already
>> corrected you on once, you are again being misleading,
>> so it must be intentional. See FAQ at bottom for various
>> other examples of Jeff Williams being misleading. I
>> didn't write the FAQ, but I think I'll help maintain
>> and publish it.
>>
>> To answer WXW's GA list question, while certainly most
>> here well know that Jeff Williams is a net.kook and
>> being intentionally misleading is his stock in trade,
>> on the ICANNAtLarge list he crossposted to (and perhaps
>> at other crosspost destinations, what happened to the
>> GA crosspost rule?) there are a number of folks (many
>> new to the process) who are not at least initially
>> aware of the facts regarding Jeff Williams. So I think
>> it should be pointed out from time to time. If Jeff
>> Williams continues to respond to my posts, and then
>> crossposts them to all and sundry, I suppose I will
>> continue to respond to some of his. I am sending this
>> separately to various of his crossposts. -g
>>
>> ----
>> Jeff Williams FAQ:
>>
>> Why is there no web site for an organization with 124,000 people?
>> Because it doesn't exist.
>>
>> The first phone number he lists in his sig file, 972-244-3801,
>> is "out of order".
>>
>> Grapevine, TX Chamber of Commerce has no record of INEG Group
>> (The original author of this FAQ telephoned them).
>> http://www.grapevinechamber.org/members.cfm?charpass=I
>>
>> Jeff Williams FAQs from other lists.
>> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc03/msg00615.html
>> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08015.html
>>
>> Jeff Williams claiming to be a lawyer
>> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html
>>
>> Non-existence of INEG
>> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/02722.html
>>
>> Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
>> Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm
>> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=a&mapdata=i8rr6UmMevOWYQS5T
>> %2f7w9XJwfQLjuDnKO8qRCWArhD7DApDOxIMQcwX%2fNZAsafl7RuNybLS51jtuWSlOHLt
>> GjEWmnimxXgLbWJGWc6Ju4KaHkfVdWm5UtCLI%2bQhZK7zU9R%2b8SEsWzV%2bfebExpAX
>> T3CkWS2Tv%2bc8ApW%2bXSManTwDj7ygxpGxZXrFdrcrmPQyt6P9avifn21dMOVRmsyZ9w
>> Z0C9iO2T0thh%2f8JcJJyEg8s46rDeIuQ0V753qW9SThHcWlAh2S24a2AYK7%2fI4bQY96
>> 2uRJjH%2bhTFgvXPeZLTUxoX%2fr5VSKNrwzTmOED5u2dCGZb8t7dIjNh4mXmWYmwcMvmI
>> 58XgfvOVDI7Xgm9%2bWnBWHOzTWsDVQ%3d%3d
>>
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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:20:07 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

Don and all assembly members,

  ROFLMAO!  How true!  This guy doesn't seem to know that
5 East Kirkwood Blvd is a well known Dallas Address as on the
West side was the old IBM complex...  But what the heck,
some people just beg to show their ignorance for god knows
what reason...  Go figure..

Don Brown wrote:

> Gee and to think I was upset that you didn't invite me to dinner when
> you came to Dallas :-)
>
> Monday, August 5, 2002, 3:40:29 PM, Ross Wm. Rader <[email-masked]> wrote:
> RWR> "Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
> RWR> Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm"
>
> RWR> Its actually more than a dirt farm now - there has been a lot of development
> RWR> in that area and Sabre is building a massive complex at the end of East
> RWR> Grapevine. Jeff's office is however still just a dirt lot...
>
> RWR> See http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk1.jpg (Grapevine from the highway) ,
> RWR> http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk2.jpg (the entrance to the new development that
> RWR> the INEG office/datacenter/fiction is located) and
> RWR> http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk3.jpg (the actual location of the INEG
> RWR> office/datacenter/fiction) for a mini-tour.
>
> RWR> Thanks,
>
> RWR> -rwr
>
> RWR> ----- Original Message -----
> RWR> From: "Gary Osbourne" <[email-masked]>
> RWR> To: <[email-masked]>
> RWR> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:12 PM
> RWR> Subject: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...
>
> >> At 05:26 AM 05/08/02 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >>
> >> >Gary Osbourne wrote:
> >> > > Oh really? Please point to where it was published before.
> >> >
> >> >   Well the archives for this ML have a huge amount of
> >> >references for instance. Start around '99 and go forward in
> >> >time from there.. Also the NCDNHC Archives
> >> >have substantial number of posts and other references
> >> >as well.
> >>
> >> Jeff, if you can't provide even minimal pointers to your
> >> claims, as you recently failed to do for Danny Younger on
> >> the RAA, then even if people otherwise had reason to
> >> believe you, they wouldn't believe you.
> >>
> >> The VeriSign/CENTR/.ac document, which is central to the
> >> article, has only recently been published, how could it
> >> appear in any archives in 1999? It is not mostly old info
> >> as you alleged in the body and title of your response.
> >> You are being misleading, and one can only assume that
> >> that is intentional as it happens so often.
> >>
> >> >   Yes I know. But Ted is credited with the article.
> >>
> >> http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=889&mode=nested&order=1
> >>
> >> No he isn't, I am as fnord, and have been since it was
> >> published. Ted is listed as the ICANNWatch editor who
> >> published it, and has been since it was published. Here
> >> you are repeating a false assertion I have already
> >> corrected you on once, you are again being misleading,
> >> so it must be intentional. See FAQ at bottom for various
> >> other examples of Jeff Williams being misleading. I
> >> didn't write the FAQ, but I think I'll help maintain
> >> and publish it.
> >>
> >> To answer WXW's GA list question, while certainly most
> >> here well know that Jeff Williams is a net.kook and
> >> being intentionally misleading is his stock in trade,
> >> on the ICANNAtLarge list he crossposted to (and perhaps
> >> at other crosspost destinations, what happened to the
> >> GA crosspost rule?) there are a number of folks (many
> >> new to the process) who are not at least initially
> >> aware of the facts regarding Jeff Williams. So I think
> >> it should be pointed out from time to time. If Jeff
> >> Williams continues to respond to my posts, and then
> >> crossposts them to all and sundry, I suppose I will
> >> continue to respond to some of his. I am sending this
> >> separately to various of his crossposts. -g
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Jeff Williams FAQ:
> >>
> >> Why is there no web site for an organization with 124,000 people?
> >> Because it doesn't exist.
> >>
> >> The first phone number he lists in his sig file, 972-244-3801,
> >> is "out of order".
> >>
> >> Grapevine, TX Chamber of Commerce has no record of INEG Group
> >> (The original author of this FAQ telephoned them).
> >> http://www.grapevinechamber.org/members.cfm?charpass=I
> >>
> >> Jeff Williams FAQs from other lists.
> >> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc03/msg00615.html
> >> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08015.html
> >>
> >> Jeff Williams claiming to be a lawyer
> >> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html
> >>
> >> Non-existence of INEG
> >> http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/02722.html
> >>
> >> Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
> >> Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm
> >> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=a&mapdata=i8rr6UmMevOWYQS5T
> >> %2f7w9XJwfQLjuDnKO8qRCWArhD7DApDOxIMQcwX%2fNZAsafl7RuNybLS51jtuWSlOHLt
> >> GjEWmnimxXgLbWJGWc6Ju4KaHkfVdWm5UtCLI%2bQhZK7zU9R%2b8SEsWzV%2bfebExpAX
> >> T3CkWS2Tv%2bc8ApW%2bXSManTwDj7ygxpGxZXrFdrcrmPQyt6P9avifn21dMOVRmsyZ9w
> >> Z0C9iO2T0thh%2f8JcJJyEg8s46rDeIuQ0V753qW9SThHcWlAh2S24a2AYK7%2fI4bQY96
> >> 2uRJjH%2bhTFgvXPeZLTUxoX%2fr5VSKNrwzTmOED5u2dCGZb8t7dIjNh4mXmWYmwcMvmI
> >> 58XgfvOVDI7Xgm9%2bWnBWHOzTWsDVQ%3d%3d
> >>
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Regards,
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:05:10 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...

Ross,
I don't see any photo of Jeff standing in a dirt farm, neither a road sign
stating "East Kirkwood Blvd.", nor a house numbered 5. These photos prove
nothing beyond the fact that several prominent members of the GA and DNSO
Constituencies are taking pleasure in invading a person's privacy and
ridiculing a person's character, which are not endearing qualities in any
person. Remind me not to trust any of you.

For all his lack of integrity, Jeff's character flaws pale into
insignificance when measured against ICANN Staff, who have been lying
through their teeth consistently for years while they take the public to the
cleaners, so let's face it, Jeff's one vote in the At Large or GA would
never result in the kind of damage that history will hold Mike Roberts,
Esther Dyson and Stuart Lynn responsible for, and neither, I imagine, has he
ever been in a position to squander the pensions of thousands of employees
like several other Corporate executives I could mention.

So in the overall scheme of things, this is all rather silly.

Regards,
Joanna

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Ross Wm.
> Rader
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:40 PM
> To: [email-masked]; Gary Osbourne
> Subject: Re: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...
>
>
> "Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
> Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm"
>
> Its actually more than a dirt farm now - there has been a lot of
> development
> in that area and Sabre is building a massive complex at the end of East
> Grapevine. Jeff's office is however still just a dirt lot...
>
> See http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk1.jpg (Grapevine from the highway) ,
> http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk2.jpg (the entrance to the new development that
> the INEG office/datacenter/fiction is located) and
> http://www.byte.org/jw/jwk3.jpg (the actual location of the INEG
> office/datacenter/fiction) for a mini-tour.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -rwr
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Osbourne" <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:12 PM
> Subject: Jeff Williams FAQ was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] HMS...
>
>
> > At 05:26 AM 05/08/02 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > >Gary Osbourne wrote:
> > > > Oh really? Please point to where it was published before.
> > >
> > >   Well the archives for this ML have a huge amount of
> > >references for instance. Start around '99 and go forward in
> > >time from there.. Also the NCDNHC Archives
> > >have substantial number of posts and other references
> > >as well.
> >
> > Jeff, if you can't provide even minimal pointers to your
> > claims, as you recently failed to do for Danny Younger on
> > the RAA, then even if people otherwise had reason to
> > believe you, they wouldn't believe you.
> >
> > The VeriSign/CENTR/.ac document, which is central to the
> > article, has only recently been published, how could it
> > appear in any archives in 1999? It is not mostly old info
> > as you alleged in the body and title of your response.
> > You are being misleading, and one can only assume that
> > that is intentional as it happens so often.
> >
> > >   Yes I know. But Ted is credited with the article.
> >
> > http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=889&mode=nested&order=1
> >
> > No he isn't, I am as fnord, and have been since it was
> > published. Ted is listed as the ICANNWatch editor who
> > published it, and has been since it was published. Here
> > you are repeating a false assertion I have already
> > corrected you on once, you are again being misleading,
> > so it must be intentional. See FAQ at bottom for various
> > other examples of Jeff Williams being misleading. I
> > didn't write the FAQ, but I think I'll help maintain
> > and publish it.
> >
> > To answer WXW's GA list question, while certainly most
> > here well know that Jeff Williams is a net.kook and
> > being intentionally misleading is his stock in trade,
> > on the ICANNAtLarge list he crossposted to (and perhaps
> > at other crosspost destinations, what happened to the
> > GA crosspost rule?) there are a number of folks (many
> > new to the process) who are not at least initially
> > aware of the facts regarding Jeff Williams. So I think
> > it should be pointed out from time to time. If Jeff
> > Williams continues to respond to my posts, and then
> > crossposts them to all and sundry, I suppose I will
> > continue to respond to some of his. I am sending this
> > separately to various of his crossposts. -g
> >
> > ----
> > Jeff Williams FAQ:
> >
> > Why is there no web site for an organization with 124,000 people?
> > Because it doesn't exist.
> >
> > The first phone number he lists in his sig file, 972-244-3801,
> > is "out of order".
> >
> > Grapevine, TX Chamber of Commerce has no record of INEG Group
> > (The original author of this FAQ telephoned them).
> > http://www.grapevinechamber.org/members.cfm?charpass=I
> >
> > Jeff Williams FAQs from other lists.
> > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc03/msg00615.html
> > http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08015.html
> >
> > Jeff Williams claiming to be a lawyer
> > http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html
> >
> > Non-existence of INEG
> > http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/02722.html
> >
> > Using MapQuest: Notice there are no buildings at the address 5 E.
> > Kirkwood, Grapevine,TX (look at aerial view) - just a dirt farm
> > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=a&mapdata=i8rr6UmMevOWYQS5T
> > %2f7w9XJwfQLjuDnKO8qRCWArhD7DApDOxIMQcwX%2fNZAsafl7RuNybLS51jtuWSlOHLt
> > GjEWmnimxXgLbWJGWc6Ju4KaHkfVdWm5UtCLI%2bQhZK7zU9R%2b8SEsWzV%2bfebExpAX
> > T3CkWS2Tv%2bc8ApW%2bXSManTwDj7ygxpGxZXrFdrcrmPQyt6P9avifn21dMOVRmsyZ9w
> > Z0C9iO2T0thh%2f8JcJJyEg8s46rDeIuQ0V753qW9SThHcWlAh2S24a2AYK7%2fI4bQY96
> > 2uRJjH%2bhTFgvXPeZLTUxoX%2fr5VSKNrwzTmOED5u2dCGZb8t7dIjNh4mXmWYmwcMvmI
> > 58XgfvOVDI7Xgm9%2bWnBWHOzTWsDVQ%3d%3d
> >
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