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GA-DIGEST            Tuesday, July 9 2002            Volume 01 : Number 1321

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:27:47 -0400
From: James Love <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ALOC elections

Denise, when will the ALOC elect its chair or other officers, or adopt 
proceedures for decision making?

Jamie

Denise Michel ALSC wrote:
> Jamie,
> 
> The "at-large.org effort" is led by the At-Large Organizing Committee (ALOC)
> whose members are selected by At-Large organizations, such as
> Icannatlarge.com with which you are involved.  Each organization can, if
> they choose, hold elections for their representatives on the ALOC.  The ALOC
> has made several decisions since it was created a month and a half ago and
> they are reflected on the website (www.at-large.org).
> 
> Denise Michel
> [email-masked]
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Love" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Kent Crispin" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: "Kristy McKee" <[email-masked]>; "Thomas Roessler"
> <[email-masked]>; "Karl Auerbach" <[email-masked]>; "Denise
> Michel ALSC" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; "jefsey"
> <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] At-Large
> 
> 
> 
>>Kent, what are the benefits one gets from joining the Esther/Denise
>>at-large.org effort?  Can they elect their own leaders or make *any*
>>decisions?    Jamie
>>
>>
>>Kent Crispin wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 11:42:41AM -0500, Kristy McKee wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thomas, Jefsey, the reference to you and yours is a direct reference to
>>>>ICANN, I apologize to those who use English as a second (or third or
>>>>fourth) language as they may, like Thomas and Jefsey, not understand
>>>
> this.
> 
>>>>Please allow me to restate more clearly:
>>>>
>>>>I'm wondering, Denise,
>>>>
>>>>WHY:  NONE OF THE AT-LARGE PARTICIPANTS HAVE EVER BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT
>>>>ANYTHING SINCE THE FIRST ELECTION.
>>>
>>>
>>>They were notified.  A mass mailing to all participants in the at-large
>>>election was sent, notifying them of the work of the atlarge study, and
>>>inviting them to participate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>WHY:  YOU AND YOURS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE LACK OF FREE TIME MOST
>>>>PARTICIPANTS DEAL WITH BY CONTINUING TO CHANGE THE RULES, INVITATIONS,
>>>
> AND
> 
>>>>BY NOT INCLUDING EVERYONE WHO WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO BE INCLUDED.
>>>
>>>
>>>Huh?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> 
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:35:40 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

Joe Sims,

I hope there is a bit of slander Karl can use against you in his court case 
in your last posting.

You are, well, the world knows what you are Joe Sims, and for sure, you are 
not happy.

Sorry you have such a miserable life; but you seem to have earned it.

~k

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:48:59 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga] At-Large

Thomas,

Why don't you give us a report about what YOUR representative has done for you?

Karl is our representative, not yours, and he is doing an AWESOME job for us.

~k

At 08:28 PM 7/7/2002 +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>On 2002-07-03 22:05:50 -0700, Karl Auerbach wrote:
>
>>What got the "debate" to this sad point was people who kept creeping 
>>backwards as the anti-democracy interests of ICANN kept pushing forwards.
>
>... and the last bastion of democracy within ICANN, heroic director
>Karl Auerbach, doesn't even show up at the Bucharest meeting, and
>also can't be bothered to stay up late at night to call in.  I'm very 
>impressed.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:11:39 -0500
From: Don Brown <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

Let's not forget that the USG "gave" the controls to ICANN, but with
the proviso that it complied with certain obligations, such as the
MoU.

Has it complied?  I submit that ICANN's actions speak for themselves.

The adoption of the blueprint at Bucharest is even more clear and
convincing evidence of ICANN's intent to fully circumscribe the
ability of the Internet Community to be heard and to be effectively
represented within the ICANN structure.

ICANN has evolved into a dictatorship form of governance, with only window
dressing and lip service given to consensus and the voice, wishes and
representation of the Internet Community at large.

Personally, I find it preferable for the DoC to relieve ICANN. ICANN
is snake bit.

Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 7:49:25 AM, James Love <[email-masked]> wrote:
JL> Andy Mueller-Maguhn wrote:
>> Also, I do not think, that anybody can use "the government as a tool"
>> because governments have their own interests next to the sometimes
>> existing tiny little bit of reputation some of them might have, through 
>> claiming to work on behalf of the citizens (which is of course different
>> for the different governments of the different countries and their
>> different understandings and procedures to do so). 
>> 
>> The meeting in Bucharest already took place under specific and more
>> or less extreme statements as well from governmental representatives
>> as from people involed with the ITU. If you look at the current international
>> situation outside ICANN, it is hard to guess in what kind  of issues
>> a strong governmental involvemend would bring us in what we can
>> see now as the "ICANN policy area" and what might it might end up to be.
>> 
>> Exactly this is at least my reason for voting in favour of the 
>> blueprint as at least a less-worse solution then strong governmental
>> involvement would be.

JL>      Andy, at what point does ICANN become a "government" for the Internet?

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:16:41 -0500
From: Don Brown <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

Isn't this thread akin to debating the merits of Iraq's warfare with
Saddam Hussein's brother?  Why bother?

Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 8:02:06 AM, James Love <[email-masked]> wrote:
JL>     Joe, is it now cool to be "anti-democratic" at ICANN?  And if so, does 
JL> it make sense to have so much power centralized in a single organization?

JL>    Jamie

JL> Joe Sims wrote:
>> Karl is part of the old ICANN -- an organization that was as much a 
>> magnet for every person with grandiose ideas about global democracy as 
>> it was a serious working body.  That old ICANN is gone -- and is being 
>> replaced with an organization that still adheres to the core values of 
>> openness and transparency, of broad public input and participation, and 
>> of making policy by consensus whenever possible, but does so with the 
>> knowledge that it still has to all work.  For people like Karl, the new 
>> ICANN may not have quite the magnetic attraction of the old, but that is 
>> not a bad thing.  It should help get the decisions that must be made 
>> done in a timely and effective way.  And that will be a good thing.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:22:36 -0400
From: Allan Liska <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Is worldcom cranking up the PR machine?  CNBC article:"The wise OLD man of the Internet"

Hello Don,

Tuesday, July 09, 2002, 8:42:48 AM, you wrote:

DB> According to his CV, he is an officer of WorldCom.
DB> (Long list of cc's was snipped in responding)

DB> Employment History

DB> November 1999 - Present 

DB> WorldCom Corporation
DB> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
DB> Ashburn, VA 20147

DB> Senior Vice President for Internet Architecture and Technology
DB> Responsible for design and development of advanced networking and Internet systems 

Sorry, Senior Vice President != Officer.  There are very specific
guidelines as to what positions constitute an officer of a
corporation and SVP is not one of them.

DB> WorldCom Foundation (January 1999 - Present)

WorldCom Foundation != WorldCom.  The WorldCom Foundation is a charity
organization, it is not the same thing as the WorldCom Board of
Directors.  You can read about the WorldCom Foundation here:

http://marcopolo.worldcom.com/

Again, there is no evidence that Vint knew anything about the
accounting practices at WorldCom and, given the size of WorldCom,
there is no reasonable expectation that he could have known.

Given the way the congresscritters are out for blood over this, I
imagine if it was remotely possible that he was involved he would have
been subpoenad yesterday along with the company's officers.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:03:01 +0200
From: "Jeanette Hofmann" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

On 9 Jul 2002 at 13:19, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:32:42 +0200, you wrote:
> 
> >Exactly this is at least my reason for voting in favour of the 
> >blueprint as at least a less-worse solution then strong governmental
> >involvement would be.
> 
> I share your opinions, 

I don't. 

and I think this - and the difference between your
> views and Karl's ones - is a clear example of the major choice we have in
> front of us now.

What major choice? Does a rejection of the blueprint proposal imply 
necessarily a leaving of ICANN? Or does it imply a support for a stronger 
involvement of governments?

Other constituencies or supporting organizations have been quite critical with 
regard to the blueprint paper. Take the RIRs as example. Do they support the 
gist of the blueprint proposal? Certainly not. Does that mean they want to the 
US or any other government to replace ICANN? Definitely not. 

The existence of worse alternatives seems not good enough as a reason to 
accept and support the ideas of the blueprint paper. 

jeanette

 The GA has split on this issue, icannatlarge.com has split
> on this issue, and we don't have an agreed answer for now.
> 
> Personally, I think that leaving ICANN now (or stopping to cooperate in any
> form with the Reform process) would be a huge risk. I prefer to be inside
> the organization, work to get as much as possible from it, even if it's not
> enough, while trying to gain support for our cause outside of it. But I
> think it is very unlikely that a direct intervention of the US Goverment
> could help our cause and restore the At Large as it was. Possibly, it would
> simply start the First Internet World War with the rest of the world's
> governments.
> 
> I think that everyone of us should think carefully at this question and
> choose a position. For what regards icannatlarge.com, it is very likely that
> the upcoming elections will determine which way the organization will go -
> or perhaps, the fact that the organization is unable to agree on which way
> to go and so to proceed. (Sad but true.) 
> 
> However, I think that a compromise is possible, if at least we start to
> understand and to respect each other. Personally, I was a little
> disappointed when being called a traitor by some people, only because I
> bothered to fly to Bucharest on my own money and speak with the Reform
> Committee. So I think that we should at least agree on the fact that those
> who try to get the most from the Reform process, even if it implies
> supporting compromises that are not satisfying, are not doing so with bad
> intent.
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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:53:18 -0700
From: Gary Osbourne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Is worldcom cranking up the PR machine?  CNBC article:"The wise OLD man of the Internet"

At 10:22 AM 09/07/02 -0400, Allan Liska wrote:

>Sorry, Senior Vice President != Officer.  There are very specific
>guidelines as to what positions constitute an officer of a
>corporation and SVP is not one of them.

Who is an Officer of ICANN?
http://www.cavebear.com/icann-board/diary/june-13-2002.htm

Why are they looking more and more like WorldCom, Enron, et al?
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/business/07DIRE.html?todaysheadlines

Unfortunately ICANN isn't under even the belatedly
watchful eye of regulators like the US SEC, so we
may never know what's been did and what's been hid. -g

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:13:43 -0500
From: Don Brown <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Is worldcom cranking up the PR machine?  CNBC article:"The wise OLD man of the Internet"

Fist, a VP is an officer of a corporation. Even an Assistant VP is a
corporate officer.  However, a VP is not always an executive
officer; the latter being those listed on the firm's 10K, etc. I have
held VP and President positions, all of which were officer positions,
but some of which were not executive officer positions. This
experience includes that with a NYSE traded Fortune 500 firm, not any
different, in the corporate scope of things, than WorldCom.

Second, I didn't say anything about him being on the BoD, did I.

Third, I didn't say that he was guilty of anything or had personal
knowledge of anything, did I.

Finally, Cerf's CV speaks for itself, which is why I posted it.

Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 9:22:36 AM, Allan Liska <[email-masked]> wrote:
AL> Hello Don,

AL> Tuesday, July 09, 2002, 8:42:48 AM, you wrote:

DB>> According to his CV, he is an officer of WorldCom.
DB>> (Long list of cc's was snipped in responding)

DB>> Employment History

DB>> November 1999 - Present 

DB>> WorldCom Corporation
DB>> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
DB>> Ashburn, VA 20147

DB>> Senior Vice President for Internet Architecture and Technology
DB>> Responsible for design and development of advanced networking and Internet systems 

AL> Sorry, Senior Vice President != Officer.  There are very specific
AL> guidelines as to what positions constitute an officer of a
AL> corporation and SVP is not one of them.

DB>> WorldCom Foundation (January 1999 - Present)

AL> WorldCom Foundation != WorldCom.  The WorldCom Foundation is a charity
AL> organization, it is not the same thing as the WorldCom Board of
AL> Directors.  You can read about the WorldCom Foundation here:

AL> http://marcopolo.worldcom.com/

AL> Again, there is no evidence that Vint knew anything about the
AL> accounting practices at WorldCom and, given the size of WorldCom,
AL> there is no reasonable expectation that he could have known.

AL> Given the way the congresscritters are out for blood over this, I
AL> imagine if it was remotely possible that he was involved he would have
AL> been subpoenad yesterday along with the company's officers.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:18:24 -0700
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 09:02:06AM -0400, James Love wrote:
>     Joe, is it now cool to be "anti-democratic" at ICANN?  And if so, does 
> it make sense to have so much power centralized in a single organization?

I'm sorry, Jamie, but that is simply nonsense.  The "power" ICANN has is
absolutely miniscule.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:23:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Andy Mueller-Maguhn wrote:

> I do not assume that Mr. Sims is "smoking some weird shit" because as a
> matter of fact, human beeings inhaling marihuana are normaly much more
> peaceful as what at least my impression from this posting is. If this would
> have to do with the abuse of drugs, I would guess some other substance
> associated with creating paranoia to be (ab)used here [1].

would not surprise me if there's alot of snorting going on at ICANN.  That
activity would explain Joe Simms actions perfectly.

regards
joe

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:40:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ray Fassett" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest 

Tuesday, July 09, 2002, 2:32:42 AM, Andy Mueller-Maguhn wrote:

"....US citizens and US governments is obviously not the
same."

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

People fail to realize that the basis of this document is what will drive
all aspects of Internet governence. People that support US centric goals
are actually trying to allow the ICANN entity to succeed.   US citizens are
the US government and this will be true as it pertains to Internet
governence....it is the proven model that works (not some ideological dream
or "experiment"). In the end, it's global users will dictate its global
governence, with or without ICANN.  It's the only thing today that we know
for sure.  Hiding behind "geo-political issues swirling around ICANN"
(compromising the US centric White Paper) will only cause the "route
around" from the global community, the very thing US centric beliefs hope
to avoid - but not to mistake as mandatory.

Ray

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:25:48 -0500
From: Eric Weisberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

> Andy Mueller-Maguhn wrote:

>
> > Exactly this is at least my reason for voting in favour of the
> > blueprint as at least a less-worse solution then strong governmental
> > involvement would be.

Is there a point where governments are better able to represent the interests of citizens than
private, non-membership organizations?

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:23:43 -0400
From: Ken Stubbs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

sure... my municipal water district does a great job for me... fresh pure
water
now if i could only get more reliable phone service.

ken stubbs
p.s. the local mosquito abatement program is also a "rousing success"...
(more kudos to our local govenrment!!)

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Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's latest

>
>
>
>
> > Andy Mueller-Maguhn wrote:
>
> >
> > > Exactly this is at least my reason for voting in favour of the
> > > blueprint as at least a less-worse solution then strong governmental
> > > involvement would be.
>
> Is there a point where governments are better able to represent the
interests of citizens than
> private, non-membership organizations?
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:41:57 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] At-Large

Denise and all stakeholders or interested parties,

  This to me anyway sounds/reads allot like the ALOC is the REAL
At-Large, and ICANNATLARGE.COM or other similar efforts/orgs
are mearly/simply just adjuncts/chapters of/to the ALOC.  I am fairly
sure that this is not what the stakeholders/users support of otherwise
have in mind for an AT-Large membership structure to represent
their interests/stake...

Denise Michel ALSC wrote:

> Jamie,
>
> The "at-large.org effort" is led by the At-Large Organizing Committee (ALOC)
> whose members are selected by At-Large organizations, such as
> Icannatlarge.com with which you are involved.  Each organization can, if
> they choose, hold elections for their representatives on the ALOC.  The ALOC
> has made several decisions since it was created a month and a half ago and
> they are reflected on the website (www.at-large.org).
>
> Denise Michel
> [email-masked]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Love" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Kent Crispin" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: "Kristy McKee" <[email-masked]>; "Thomas Roessler"
> <[email-masked]>; "Karl Auerbach" <[email-masked]>; "Denise
> Michel ALSC" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; "jefsey"
> <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] At-Large
>
> > Kent, what are the benefits one gets from joining the Esther/Denise
> > at-large.org effort?  Can they elect their own leaders or make *any*
> > decisions?    Jamie
> >
> >
> > Kent Crispin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 11:42:41AM -0500, Kristy McKee wrote:
> > >
> > >>Thomas, Jefsey, the reference to you and yours is a direct reference to
> > >>ICANN, I apologize to those who use English as a second (or third or
> > >>fourth) language as they may, like Thomas and Jefsey, not understand
> this.
> > >>
> > >>Please allow me to restate more clearly:
> > >>
> > >>I'm wondering, Denise,
> > >>
> > >>WHY:  NONE OF THE AT-LARGE PARTICIPANTS HAVE EVER BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT
> > >>ANYTHING SINCE THE FIRST ELECTION.
> > >
> > >
> > > They were notified.  A mass mailing to all participants in the at-large
> > > election was sent, notifying them of the work of the atlarge study, and
> > > inviting them to participate.
> > >
> > >
> > >>WHY:  YOU AND YOURS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE LACK OF FREE TIME MOST
> > >>PARTICIPANTS DEAL WITH BY CONTINUING TO CHANGE THE RULES, INVITATIONS,
> AND
> > >>BY NOT INCLUDING EVERYONE WHO WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO BE INCLUDED.
> > >
> > >
> > > Huh?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:58:40 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Is worldcom cranking up the PR machine?  CNBC article:"The wise OLD man of the Internet"

Don and all assembly members,

  Allan obviously does not do his homework and therefore
does not know what he is talking about in this instance
Thank you for beating me to the punch here Don in posting
this history on Vint.  In any event, all one has to do is
pull the 10k and 10q from the SEC and the recent legal
fraud filings to get the appropriate information for themselves.

So the FUD is from Allan!

Don Brown wrote:

> According to his CV, he is an officer of WorldCom.
> (Long list of cc's was snipped in responding)
>
> VITA
> Vinton Gray Cerf
> 1-8-2002
>
> Educational History
>
> Van Nuys High School, Van Nuys, CA
> Graduated: Feb 1961
>
> B.S. Math, Computer Science, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 1965
> M.S. Computer Science, University of California, Los Angeles, CA 1970
> Ph.D. Computer Science, University of California, Los Angeles, CA 1972
>
> Employment History
>
> November 1999 - Present
>
> WorldCom Corporation
> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
> Ashburn, VA 20147
>
> Senior Vice President for Internet Architecture and Technology
> Responsible for design and development of advanced networking and Internet systems
>
> September 1998 - Nov 1999
>
> MCI WorldCom Corporation
> 2100 Reston Parkway, 6th Floor
> Reston, VA 20191
>
> Senior Vice President for Internet Architecture and Technology
> Responsible for design and development of advanced Internet systems
>
> January 1996 - September 1998
>
> MCI Communications Corporation
> 2100 Reston Parkway, 6th Floor
> Reston, VA 20191
>
> Senior Vice President for Internet Architecture and Engineering.
> Responsible for design and engineering of MCI Internet system and services.
>
> February 1994 - December 1995
>
> MCI Telecommunications Corporation
> 2100 Reston Parkway, 6th Floor
> Reston, VA 20191
>
> Senior Vice President for Data Architecture.
> Responsible for architectural design of MCI Data and Information Services
>
> October 1982 - May 1986
>
> MCI Digital and Information Services Company
> 2000 M Street, NW
> Washington, DC 20036
>
> Vice President of Engineering
> Responsible for the design and implementation of MCI Mail.
>
> Member of the Board of Directors:
>
> 2BNatural Inc. (April 2000 - Present)
> AfriQ*Access, Inc (Oct 2000 - Present)
> AVANEX (December 1999 - Present)
> B2B Video Networks (April 2000 - Present)
> CoSine Corporation (April 2000 - Present)
> Endowment for Excellence in Education (1999 - Present)
> Folger Shakespeare Library (September 2000 - Present)
> FTP Software (1994 - 1998) - acquired
> Gallaudet University (January 1997- Present)
> Hynomics, Inc. (September 1998 - Present)
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Sept 1999 - Present) (chairman Nov. 2000 - present)
> Internet Policy Institute (November 1999 - 2001) - out of business
> Internet Society (January 1992 - June 2001)
> Interprophet (1998 - September 2000) - out of business
> WorldCom Foundation (January 1999 - Present)
> Nuance (December 1999 - Present)
>
> Full text at:
> http://www1.worldcom.com/global/resources/cerfs_up/personal_perspective/cerfprofile.xml
>
> Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 6:08:49 AM, Allan Liska <[email-masked]> wrote:
> AL> Hello Jeff,
>
> AL> Tuesday, July 09, 2002, 12:30:19 AM, you wrote:
>
> JW>>   Seems that on the same day that SOME of Worldcom's
> JW>> execs and Ex-Execs are grilled in congress and further
> JW>> charges being considered by the SEC, that Worldcom's
> JW>> BOD member Vint Cerf is being held out as a shining star.
>
> AL> As has already been mentioned on this list (by me) Vint Cerf is not
> AL> only NOT on the WorldCom board of Directors, he is not an officer of
> AL> the company (there is no "O" in his title).  Please do not continue to
> AL> spread FUD without proof.
>
> AL> allan
>
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