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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:13:56 -0400
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Companion Dispute Proposal to WLS Service

>
> > used, since the WLS is just a 'place in line'
>
> ...a place in line with definite economic value.

...the only place in line.

>
> If you don't believe that TM owners are going to be rattled by finding (a)
> they don't have the domain name they want, but it will soon expire, and
(b)
> someone else is holding the 'place in line' for it, then you are
> underestimating the tenacity of these people.

But is it realistic to assume that there will actually a market for these
spots? I can understand the secondary market for names, but WLS subs too?
<scratch, scratch> I suppose weirder things have happened - it should at
least warrant a look by those affected.

- -rwr

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 11:11:05 -0700
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] CIRA Board Elections

Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
> 
> If we're discussing the CIRA elections here, I want
> to put in a good word for Michael Geist. ...

I'll enthusiastically second that.

Among the most useful people in DNS matters are the
techies with a social conscience and lawyers with a
technical clue. Both are in exceedingly short supply,
and we desparately need them. There are many reasons
for this, but perhaps the most important is that they
can effectvely counter the manifold idiocies of
other techies and lawyers.

Geist is a law professor with a good understanding
of technical issues.

He does a newsletter on Internet law:
http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~geist/frameset.html

His homepage:
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 09:07:13 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Companion Dispute Proposal to WLS Service

This thread was marvellous.  It illustrated some of our biggest
communication
problems.
It should be archived and provided as a starter for anyone interested in
the GA.

But on the WLS.  It would appear that there is an impasse.  The bulk of
the well
reasoned participants appear to be against the concept.  Mr. Gomes has
done a
valiant job defending this proposed princess but alas she is unfit.
OTOH it is going to go through.
Perhaps it is time for our leaders in this area to begin to look for
some
concessions for
to give political cover to Verisign when they implement WLS.  To do this
we would
need to designate a leader from the GA, for this purpose.

Eric

Jonathan Weinberg wrote:

>          Lighten up, everyone.  Marc was joking.  *John* was joking when he
> started this thread.
>
> Jon Weinberg
> [email-masked]
>
> At 10:50 AM 6/7/2002 -0700, Sandy Harris wrote:
> >Marc Schneiders wrote:
> >
> > > > In most countries, you are innocent unless proven guilty. What you
> > propose
> > > > is to decide that somebody is guilty even before committing the action.
> > >
> > > Terrorism, piracy, above all the latter, need to be tackled _before_ the
> > > vile acts are committed. We cannot allow any chances, that a trademark
> > > actually gets hurt.
> >
> >I hope you were joking or being sarcastic in writing that. If not,
> >methinks you're insane.
> >
> >A murderer or child molester is treated as innocent until proven guilty
> >in
> >many countries, and has some right to due process almost anywhere. You
> >appear to be claiming that "piracy" against trademark right is so
> >heinous
> >a crime that it demands special measures, more severe than those against
> >murder or child molestation. This is utterly ludicrous.
> >
> >You might make that case for terrorism. It is at least arguable that,
> >against such enemies, even democratic nations should go outside their
> >normal legal principles and resort to arrest without habeas corpus, or
> >even to assasination. I'm unconvinced, but there are certainly some
> >strong arguments for that position.
> >
> >But "terrorism, piracy, above all the latter ...". Even without "above
> >all", this would be lunacy. With it, it is utterly unbeleivable.
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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:06:32 -0700
From: Ellen Rony <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Companion Dispute Proposal to WLS Service

Yebbut, the notion of WLS-squatting and a WLSDRP is humorous because it
mirrors the companion idiocy that already exists.  Did y'all miss that?

Domain name registration has been transformed from a facilitating protocol
into an archetypal fight between good vs. evil.  Trademarks good,
cybersquatters evil.  Non-trademark owners are potential evil-doers until
they prove otherwise, if challenged.

The simplicity of RFC 1591 FCFS has been replaced by multi-level marketing
writ large.   One may now pay for a pre-emptive opportunity to register a
name, bid or pay for the opportunity to be in a queue to have a random
chance at registering a name, pay to defend a challenge to a sunrise
registration, pay to defend the actual domain registration which is forever
vulnerable to a UDRP challenge, and now pay to be placed first on a list to
get a name if it ever expires.

So many ways these days to fold a domain name registration and stick it
where the sun don't shine.

- -Ellen

At 11:13 AM -0400 6/7/02, Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
>         Lighten up, everyone.  Marc was joking.  *John* was joking when he
>started this thread.
>
>Jon Weinberg
>[email-masked]
>
>
>
>At 10:50 AM 6/7/2002 -0700, Sandy Harris wrote:
>>Marc Schneiders wrote:
>>
>> > > In most countries, you are innocent unless proven guilty. What you
>> propose
>> > > is to decide that somebody is guilty even before committing the action.
>> >
>> > Terrorism, piracy, above all the latter, need to be tackled _before_ the
>> > vile acts are committed. We cannot allow any chances, that a trademark
>> > actually gets hurt.
>>
>>I hope you were joking or being sarcastic in writing that. If not,
>>methinks you're insane.
>>
>>A murderer or child molester is treated as innocent until proven guilty
>>in
>>many countries, and has some right to due process almost anywhere. You
>>appear to be claiming that "piracy" against trademark right is so
>>heinous
>>a crime that it demands special measures, more severe than those against
>>murder or child molestation. This is utterly ludicrous.
>>
>>You might make that case for terrorism. It is at least arguable that,
>>against such enemies, even democratic nations should go outside their
>>normal legal principles and resort to arrest without habeas corpus, or
>>even to assasination. I'm unconvinced, but there are certainly some
>>strong arguments for that position.
>>
>>But "terrorism, piracy, above all the latter ...". Even without "above
>>all", this would be lunacy. With it, it is utterly unbeleivable.
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 09:35:28 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] CIRA Board Elections

I hope that anyone seriously interested in the issues (rightfully)
discussed here is a watcher of CIRA.
I hope that they watch and recognize the beauty of the model.  The
elections, using the ccTLD to promote the country, helping to provide
accessibility and increasing rather than tearing at reliability.
Some folks here gave their word and by golly they appear to be keeping
it rather than worrying about keeping their position.

Sincerely,
Eric

Sandy Harris wrote:

> Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
> >
> > If we're discussing the CIRA elections here, I want
> > to put in a good word for Michael Geist. ...
>
> I'll enthusiastically second that.
>
> Among the most useful people in DNS matters are the
> techies with a social conscience and lawyers with a
> technical clue. Both are in exceedingly short supply,
> and we desparately need them. There are many reasons
> for this, but perhaps the most important is that they
> can effectvely counter the manifold idiocies of
> other techies and lawyers.
>
> Geist is a law professor with a good understanding
> of technical issues.
>
> He does a newsletter on Internet law:
> http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~geist/frameset.html
>
> His homepage:
> http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~geist/frameset.html
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:54:15 -0400
From: Dan Steinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Companion Dispute Proposal to WLS Service

Ross,
if you were the one with devonpotatochips.com, and someone had
deveosoftware.com and someone else had devonthegeolicalage.com....
and someoen else came to all three of you and whispered 'psst....you
guys all missed the boat with devon.com. who's gonna pay me for first
place in line if it ever becomes available???'

Now tell me why you think there would not be a secondary mkt for this?

"Ross Wm. Rader" wrote:
> 
> >
> > > used, since the WLS is just a 'place in line'
> >
> > ...a place in line with definite economic value.
> 
> ...the only place in line.
> 
> >
> > If you don't believe that TM owners are going to be rattled by finding (a)
> > they don't have the domain name they want, but it will soon expire, and
> (b)
> > someone else is holding the 'place in line' for it, then you are
> > underestimating the tenacity of these people.
> 
> But is it realistic to assume that there will actually a market for these
> spots? I can understand the secondary market for names, but WLS subs too?
> <scratch, scratch> I suppose weirder things have happened - it should at
> least warrant a look by those affected.
> 
> -rwr
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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:45:49 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] .ZA administrator says may be forced to shut the ccTLD down

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020607/wr_nm/tech_internet_safrica_dc_1

The government is seeking to nationalize the .ZA registry, over the
objections of the administrator, who is saying that he may be forced
to shut the ccTLD down if the law is passed.

Someone tell me who the idiots were who made the governments believe
they had any rights at all to manage the ccTLD namespaces themselves.

This action by the South African government is even more stupid than
the actions of the Australian government who did the same thing in the
last year.

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:01:18 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Confirmation of Panel Lists for Senate Hearing

Pretty easy to get on your own
Alan B. Davidson Staff Counsel <[email-masked]>

Friday, June 07, 2002, 5:06:33 PM, Richard Henderson wrote:

> HelpThis is the list of people called to sit on two panels and be questioned at the ICANN Senate Hearing called for 12th June:

> Panel 1:
> NTIA Dir: Nancy Victory
> General Accounting Office: Peter Guerrero
> ICANN Pres: Stuart Lynn

> Panel 2:
> ICANN Boardmember: Karl Auerbach
> Verisign: Roger Cochetti
> Centre for Democracy & Technology: Alan Davidson
> SnapNames: Cameron Powell
        
> Alan, what is your e-mail address so I can correspond with you?

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 21:21:50 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FYI: EU Council thinking about ICANN

Alex and all assembly members,

  Yes, Chris Wilkinson I believe posted this in a preliminary
report about two weeks ago on another forum and was carried
by some internet press...  It is however clear that the EU is
quite unhappy with the direction ICANN has been going and
is heading...

Alexander Svensson wrote:

> [This is a note from the Presidency of the Council of the EU
> -- the body of the member states -- to Coreper, the Committee
> of Permanent Representatives, sort of ambassadors to the EU.
> The document is from 3 June 2002 and it's preparing the
> Telecom Council meeting on 17/18 June 2002. It confirms the
> rumour that there has been an undocumented GAC meeting in
> Canberra and gives some insight into the current EU member
> states' thinking about ICANN. Some interesting excerpts
> follow. /// Alexander]
>
> http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/02/st09/09526en2.pdf
> ------------------
> [...]
> 1. The ICANN Mission
>    ICANN should have a clearly defined, limited and stable mission,
>    giving priority to technical functions that are essential for
>    the coordination and stability of the Internet. Certain existing
>    activities could be reduced to improve that focus. Relevant legal
>    and contractual work should be reduced to what is essential.
>
>     The ICANN mission should be stabilized: the agreed definition
>     should be adopted and revised by the Board by a 2/3 majority,
>     after a GAC opinion.
>
>   Bottom-up participation and consensus building should continue to be
>   guiding principles of ICANN's working methods. [...]
>
>   In many cases, ICANN’s mission impinges on public policy issues. In
>   these cases GAC must play a stronger role in the decision making process.
>
> 2. The Public-Private Partnership
>    There is a need for clarification of this open public-private
>    partnership ICANN must be, in which governments should have a greater
>    involvement, particularly in matters of public policy.
>
>    Government involvement in the ICANN processes should be through an
>    enhanced relationship between ICANN and GAC rather than through
>    direct governmental participation in ICANN's Board and Budget.
>    [...]
>
> 3. ICANN structure, membership and financing
>    The private sector participants concerned are responsible for reaching
>    mutually acceptable agreements regarding the structure of ICANN, its
>    membership and financing and its decisionmaking processes. Due
>    consideration should be given to the adequate protection of the
>    public interest by strengthening the standing of GAC Advice.
>
>    Such agreements, however, must give full weight to internationalisation,
>    transparency and fairness and to maintaining the principle of geographic
>    diversity and representation throughout the organisation.
>
>    Governments should [...] satisfy themselves that the interests of other
>    appropriate international stakeholders are adequately recognised in the
>    final structure.
>
>    Governments should not contribute directly to ICANN's budget.
>
> 4. Treatment of public policy issues
>    Where ICANN's activities are likely to involve public policy implications,
>    ICANN must consult the GAC. The scope of relevant public policies should be
>    agreed in advance between GAC and ICANN[1 -- Public policy issues may
>    include, for example, competition, DNS Security, ccTLD policy,
>    IPR, languages and geographical terms, abusive registrations, data protection
>    and privacy, telecommunications numbering.] The ICANN Board should only
>    be able to ignore or reverse GAC advice in such areas by a super [2/3]
>    majority. In all cases, ICANN should inform GAC on how its advice has been
>    taken into account. The legal implications of this approach need to be
>    considered further.
>
> 5. The Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>    Governments agree that the GAC is the principal forum for the international
>    discussion of public policy issues related to the ICANN mission and the Domain
>    Name System. In this respect, Governments attach great importance to strengthening
>    the role of GAC and ensuring its independence from ICANN.
>
>    In order to effectively fulfil this role vis-à-vis ICANN, GAC needs to work
>    more effectively and be better integrated into the policy formulation process.
>    This will require the necessary organisation and secretariat and in due course a
>    more appropriate legal structure. Governments should provide the necessary
>    resources to this effect. In anticipation that other administrations
>    will also make available such resources, the European Commission is also
>    encouraged to allocate appropriate resources for this purpose. Responsibility
>    for the GAC secretariat could thus be shared between several GAC participants.
>    This secretariat would provide services to GAC both for policy making and logistics.
>
>    GAC may seek the assistance of other qualified international entities for specific
>    tasks or projects.
>
> 6. Reserve Powers
>    Governments will of course retain reserve powers of last resort in the event of
>    ICANN failing to fulfil its essential tasks and for the public oversight of the
>    maintenance of the authoritative Root Zone File. This responsibility would be
>    exercised through the GAC or another appropriately constituted entity.
>
> 7. Control of the Root Zone File
>    Governments, in co-operation with the stakeholders concerned, need to work
>    towards internationalising the oversight role currently exercised by the United
>    States government. Implementing the agreed reforms should be phased in the
>    interests of stability. Governments, including the EU, will wish to re-visit the
>    outcome of the current ICANN reform in the foreseeable future. Monitoring the
>    results of the reform and ICANN´s performance should be part of GAC´s remit.
> [...]
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Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:31:54 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] .ZA administrator says may be forced to shut the ccTLD down

At 06:45 p.m. 7/06/2002 -0700, William X Walsh wrote:

>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020607/wr_nm/tech_internet_safrica_dc_1
>
>The government is seeking to nationalize the .ZA registry, over the
>objections of the administrator, who is saying that he may be forced
>to shut the ccTLD down if the law is passed.
>
>Someone tell me who the idiots were who made the governments believe
>they had any rights at all to manage the ccTLD namespaces themselves.

Governments, whether democratically elected or not, typically take any 
rights for their public as they see fit.
They do this by making laws that are supposed to be scrutinized by a 
democratic parliamentary process.
In a democracy, the majority rules.

That is how, ultimately, the voters are responsible for the deeds of their 
governments.

Do you have an issue with the Parliament of South Africa or with democracy?

>This action by the South African government is even more stupid than
>the actions of the Australian government who did the same thing in the
>last year.

That depends entirely on your viewpoint.
Governments can get very uncomfortable with absence of  control.

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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:49:01 +0900
From: "YJ Park" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] .ZA administrator says may be forced to shut the ccTLD down

> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020607/wr_nm/tech_internet_safrica_dc_1
> 
> The government is seeking to nationalize the .ZA registry, over the
> objections of the administrator, who is saying that he may be forced
> to shut the ccTLD down if the law is passed.
> 
> Someone tell me who the idiots were who made the governments believe
> they had any rights at all to manage the ccTLD namespaces themselves.

USG.
 
> This action by the South African government is even more stupid than
> the actions of the Australian government who did the same thing in the
> last year.

USG delegated the organization to manage .US with understanding
that they have rights to oversee it.

Australian government did the same thing with .AU.

Here comes S. Africa with .ZA.

And more governments are ready to take "stupid action" according to
your language referring to USG.

It is very difficult for the other governments to understand only USG
is the one who can manage the DNS with authority.

Thank you,
YJ
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 21:56:50 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Companion Dispute Proposal to WLS Service

Ellen and all assembly members,

Ellen Rony wrote:

> Yebbut, the notion of WLS-squatting and a WLSDRP is humorous because it
> mirrors the companion idiocy that already exists.  Did y'all miss that?

 No I didn't miss that in John's original post of this thread, as you may
have read...

>
>
> Domain name registration has been transformed from a facilitating protocol
> into an archetypal fight between good vs. evil.  Trademarks good,
> cybersquatters evil.  Non-trademark owners are potential evil-doers until
> they prove otherwise, if challenged.
>
> The simplicity of RFC 1591 FCFS has been replaced by multi-level marketing
> writ large.   One may now pay for a pre-emptive opportunity to register a
> name, bid or pay for the opportunity to be in a queue to have a random
> chance at registering a name, pay to defend a challenge to a sunrise
> registration, pay to defend the actual domain registration which is forever
> vulnerable to a UDRP challenge, and now pay to be placed first on a list to
> get a name if it ever expires.
>
> So many ways these days to fold a domain name registration and stick it
> where the sun don't shine.
>
> -Ellen
>
> At 11:13 AM -0400 6/7/02, Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
> >         Lighten up, everyone.  Marc was joking.  *John* was joking when he
> >started this thread.
> >
> >Jon Weinberg
> >[email-masked]
> >
> >
> >
> >At 10:50 AM 6/7/2002 -0700, Sandy Harris wrote:
> >>Marc Schneiders wrote:
> >>
> >> > > In most countries, you are innocent unless proven guilty. What you
> >> propose
> >> > > is to decide that somebody is guilty even before committing the action.
> >> >
> >> > Terrorism, piracy, above all the latter, need to be tackled _before_ the
> >> > vile acts are committed. We cannot allow any chances, that a trademark
> >> > actually gets hurt.
> >>
> >>I hope you were joking or being sarcastic in writing that. If not,
> >>methinks you're insane.
> >>
> >>A murderer or child molester is treated as innocent until proven guilty
> >>in
> >>many countries, and has some right to due process almost anywhere. You
> >>appear to be claiming that "piracy" against trademark right is so
> >>heinous
> >>a crime that it demands special measures, more severe than those against
> >>murder or child molestation. This is utterly ludicrous.
> >>
> >>You might make that case for terrorism. It is at least arguable that,
> >>against such enemies, even democratic nations should go outside their
> >>normal legal principles and resort to arrest without habeas corpus, or
> >>even to assasination. I'm unconvinced, but there are certainly some
> >>strong arguments for that position.
> >>
> >>But "terrorism, piracy, above all the latter ...". Even without "above
> >>all", this would be lunacy. With it, it is utterly unbeleivable.
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 22:01:33 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] CIRA Board Elections

Sandy, Jonathan and all assembly members,

  I also second Jonathan's statements.  Michael Giest has supported
INEGroup's precepts in CIRA which should come a no surprise
and we have a significant number of native Canadian members.
I am also sure that the present election currently underway will
again reflect our members  participation...

Sandy Harris wrote:

> Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
> >
> > If we're discussing the CIRA elections here, I want
> > to put in a good word for Michael Geist. ...
>
> I'll enthusiastically second that.
>
> Among the most useful people in DNS matters are the
> techies with a social conscience and lawyers with a
> technical clue. Both are in exceedingly short supply,
> and we desparately need them. There are many reasons
> for this, but perhaps the most important is that they
> can effectvely counter the manifold idiocies of
> other techies and lawyers.
>
> Geist is a law professor with a good understanding
> of technical issues.
>
> He does a newsletter on Internet law:
> http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~geist/frameset.html
>
> His homepage:
> http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~geist/frameset.html
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 21:05:51 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] .ZA administrator says may be forced to shut the ccTLD down

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Dear YJ,

Don't even sink to WXWs silly level. Why are they called "Country" Codes.

I know that people love to saintify Postel, but in fact he gave some of the ccTLDs to the wrong
folk.
They were designed and will always remain to be Country Codes and by and through that a Country
Resource.

We all have a moral mandate to use ccTLDs to the benefit of the people within the geographic
location of that ccTLD.  The fact some countries are corrupt in their government does not change
the design.  Bill Herron helped design those ccTLDs and I would not disrespect him by allowing a
wrongness in application.  Yes we both have suffered from the effects that the first internet was
designed to monitor, the same that gave us both radiation poisoning.  Rings of ships and then
ground rings with a need of inter connectivity around test atomic explosions gave rise to the
genius of the internet.  The move from a ship to a CC was an act of the US Naval military.  DARPA
and ARPA and even the NSA and their precursors had a hand in the benevolent giving and assignment
of ccTLDs.

Those of us that have been deeply effected and physically damaged by the tests that gave rise to
this phenomenon are insulted greatly by flippant comments by some who do not know the gravamen of
the experiments that lead to their livelihood.  And it is true most of us are Americans.  While
the Internet may indeed be a by-product and the nuclear proliferation a direct result, many of us
view the by-product as a just sacrifice.

Please use all diligence to contribute to your ccTLD and act in accordance with your national
integrity and International Standards.

Sincerely,
Eric

YJ Park wrote:

> > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020607/wr_nm/tech_internet_safrica_dc_1
> >
> > The government is seeking to nationalize the .ZA registry, over the
> > objections of the administrator, who is saying that he may be forced
> > to shut the ccTLD down if the law is passed.
> >
> > Someone tell me who the idiots were who made the governments believe
> > they had any rights at all to manage the ccTLD namespaces themselves.
>
> USG.
>
> > This action by the South African government is even more stupid than
> > the actions of the Australian government who did the same thing in the
> > last year.
>
> USG delegated the organization to manage .US with understanding
> that they have rights to oversee it.
>
> Australian government did the same thing with .AU.
>
> Here comes S. Africa with .ZA.
>
> And more governments are ready to take "stupid action" according to
> your language referring to USG.
>
> It is very difficult for the other governments to understand only USG
> is the one who can manage the DNS with authority.
>
> Thank you,
> YJ
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Dear YJ,
<p>Don't even sink to WXWs silly level. Why are they called "Country" Codes.
<p>I know that people love to saintify Postel, but in fact he gave some
of the ccTLDs to the wrong folk.
<br>They were designed and will always remain to be Country Codes and by
and through that a Country Resource.
<p>We all have a moral mandate to use ccTLDs to the benefit of the people
within the geographic location of that ccTLD.&nbsp; The fact some countries
are corrupt in their government does not change the design.&nbsp; Bill
Herron helped design those ccTLDs and I would not disrespect him by allowing
a wrongness in application.&nbsp; Yes we both have suffered from the effects
that the first internet was designed to monitor, the same that gave us
both radiation poisoning.&nbsp; Rings of ships and then ground rings with
a need of inter connectivity around test atomic explosions gave rise to
the genius of the internet.&nbsp; The move from a ship to a CC was an act
of the US Naval military.&nbsp; DARPA and ARPA and even the NSA and their
precursors had a hand in the benevolent giving and assignment of ccTLDs.
<p>Those of us that have been deeply effected and physically damaged by
the tests that gave rise to this phenomenon are insulted greatly by flippant
comments by some who do not know the gravamen of the experiments that lead
to their livelihood.&nbsp; And it is true most of us are Americans.&nbsp;
While the Internet may indeed be a by-product and the nuclear proliferation
a direct result, many of us view the by-product as a just sacrifice.
<p>Please use all diligence to contribute to your ccTLD and act in accordance
with your national integrity and International Standards.
<p>Sincerely,
<br>Eric
<p>YJ Park wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020607/wr_nm/tech_internet_safrica_dc_1">http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/nm/20020607/wr_nm/tech_internet_safrica_dc_1</a>
<br>>
<br>> The government is seeking to nationalize the .ZA registry, over the
<br>> objections of the administrator, who is saying that he may be forced
<br>> to shut the ccTLD down if the law is passed.
<br>>
<br>> Someone tell me who the idiots were who made the governments believe
<br>> they had any rights at all to manage the ccTLD namespaces themselves.
<p>USG.
<p>> This action by the South African government is even more stupid than
<br>> the actions of the Australian government who did the same thing in
the
<br>> last year.
<p>USG delegated the organization to manage .US with understanding
<br>that they have rights to oversee it.
<p>Australian government did the same thing with .AU.
<p>Here comes S. Africa with .ZA.
<p>And more governments are ready to take "stupid action" according to
<br>your language referring to USG.
<p>It is very difficult for the other governments to understand only USG
<br>is the one who can manage the DNS with authority.
<p>Thank you,
<br>YJ
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