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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:01:00 -0700
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] About endorsements status

I found it interesting to check out the endorsements page.
There are a few candidates who are quite heavily endorsed in Europe:

Lutz Donnerhacke (318) - ISP, alternative gTLD operator, PGP author
Jeanette Hoffman (333) - political scientist
Andy Mueller-Maguhn (939) - student, Chaos Computer Club member

I don't know anything about *why* these candidates appear to be in the lead 
to enter the election, but I guess the situation is similar in other regions.

Jeanette Hoffman I've met, the others are blank to me.
Anyone else know these people?

                 Harald
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:21:47 -0700
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

while the At Large is going on, we also have our own selection: Of a board 
member from the DNSO.

The candidate list, as of my latest viewing:

           Jonathan Cohen (NorthA), 1 supporters
           Peter de Blanc (NorthA), 3 supporters
           Jill Keogh (NorthA), 0 supporters
           James P. Love (NorthA), 4 supporters
           Ronald N. Weikers (NorthA), 10 supporters

Our only formal input into this process is by endorsing candidates.
Does anyone want to give their opinion on the candidates, to help those of 
us who do not think they know who to endorse yet?

My personal take:

           Jonathan Cohen - incumbent. Also co-chaired WGs A and B.
		I guess we all have an opinion on his track record.
           Peter de Blanc - no personal knowledge
           Jill Keogh - the only one to ask for support on this list
           James P. Love - union/consumer advocate, active email sender
           Ronald N. Weikers - no personal knowledge

Other views?

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:39:22 -0700
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] List rules

The recent messages from two of our members reminded me that we need to get 
a formal vote according to the approved voting rules on the list rules.

I would like the GA to consider adopting the current rules, with the 
following changes:

- - There are 3 list monitors, not one. Any two of them can take action.
- - The list monitors are elected by the GA electorate using Instant Runoff 
Voting.
- - Wording change: replace "sergeant-at-arms" with "list monitor" throughout
- - Change "The content of messages on the GA list" to "The content of messages
   sent to the GA list". This eliminates an ambiguity when out-of-bonds
   messages are sent to the GA list, but only appear on GA-full because of
   crossposting or other reasons for rejection.

I think that's the only changes I want to make based on experience.
Your mileage may vary.

(I would still appreciate it if someone could come up with candidate text 
for describing IRV in implementable detail... but I think we know what we 
mean by it by now, enough to figure out whether that's what we want)

Thoughts?

                  Harald

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:18:30 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

Hello Harald,

Monday, August 21, 2000, 11:21:47 PM, you wrote:

> while the At Large is going on, we also have our own selection: Of a board 
> member from the DNSO.

> The candidate list, as of my latest viewing:

>            Jonathan Cohen (NorthA), 1 supporters
>            Peter de Blanc (NorthA), 3 supporters
>            Jill Keogh (NorthA), 0 supporters
>            James P. Love (NorthA), 4 supporters
>            Ronald N. Weikers (NorthA), 10 supporters

> Our only formal input into this process is by endorsing candidates.
> Does anyone want to give their opinion on the candidates, to help those of 
> us who do not think they know who to endorse yet?

Why endorse anyone?  The NC will pick the one candidate best suited to
protect the special interests who dominate the DNSO NC.

Seems like a futile effort to me.

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:29:21 -0700
From: Dave Crocker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

At 11:21 PM 8/21/00 -0700, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>My personal take:
>           Jonathan Cohen - incumbent. Also co-chaired WGs A and B.
>                 I guess we all have an opinion on his track record.
>           Peter de Blanc - no personal knowledge
>           Jill Keogh - the only one to ask for support on this list
>           James P. Love - union/consumer advocate, active email sender
>           Ronald N. Weikers - no personal knowledge
>Other views?

In trying to judge among the candidates, perhaps it will help to put 
questions specific to them.

I've noted that far too many participants have broad, negative agendas, 
focusing on various, vague, general fears, rather than on specific 
constructive goals or even constructive approaches to making 
improvements.  There also seems to be an unfortunate lack of understanding 
of DNS technical details or even of ICANN's limited scope.

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 04:27:46 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

Harald and all remaining assembly members,

Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

> while the At Large is going on, we also have our own selection: Of a board
> member from the DNSO.
>
> The candidate list, as of my latest viewing:
>
>            Jonathan Cohen (NorthA), 1 supporters
>            Peter de Blanc (NorthA), 3 supporters
>            Jill Keogh (NorthA), 0 supporters
>            James P. Love (NorthA), 4 supporters
>            Ronald N. Weikers (NorthA), 10 supporters
>
> Our only formal input into this process is by endorsing candidates.
> Does anyone want to give their opinion on the candidates, to help those of
> us who do not think they know who to endorse yet?

 James Love is our {INEGroup's] preferred candidate of this group...

>
>
> My personal take:
>
>            Jonathan Cohen - incumbent. Also co-chaired WGs A and B.
>                 I guess we all have an opinion on his track record.
>            Peter de Blanc - no personal knowledge
>            Jill Keogh - the only one to ask for support on this list
>            James P. Love - union/consumer advocate, active email sender
>            Ronald N. Weikers - no personal knowledge
>
> Other views?

  Well you ask for it so you are going to get it!

  Jonathan Cohen is a suspected Pedophile and as such is a poor candidate
as well as having a poor track record in the WG's A and B.

  Peter de Blanc is a pretty good fellow over all.  BUt his grasp of
the issues in some areas is lacking.  But of course that is not unusual.  >;)

  Jill Keogh has a good knowledge of the issues.  But her participation
thus far has been very limited.

 Ronald N. Weikers _ also I have little personal knowledge of either..

 James P. Love - Excellent grasp of the issues, good advocate, independent
thinker, innovative.  Best of this bunch!

>
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:14:16 -0700
From: Simon Higgs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] List rules

At 12:39 AM 8/22/00 -0700, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

That looks vaguely familiar... ;-)

<start list rules>
Each mailing list will have exactly three people whose role is to maintain 
civility, order and generally keep the discussion on topic. For any action 
to be taken, all three must agree. These "guardians" act like moderators, 
but the lists are distinctly not moderated in the usual and formal sense of 
the word as it applied to mailing lists. The term moderator will be used 
here but please understand what is trying to be achieved is somewhere 
between the rigid constraints of a moderated mailing list and an complete 
anarchy that sometimes happens with unmoderated mailing lists.

1. The mailing list will be a place where all discourse is civil and 
polite. No personal attacks or slander, no negative sarcastic or facetious 
remarks. No name-calling. We're not a completely humorless bunch here, but 
simple etiquette is expected. Emily Post defines etiquette this way: "If 
what you say or do makes somebody uncomfortable, that is a breach of 
etiquette".

2. The final arbiter of the definition of "civil and polite" will be the 
list moderators. The list moderators are [guardian 1 <[email-masked]>], 
[guardian 3 <[email-masked]>] and [guardian 3 <[email-masked]>].

3. Complaints may be sent to any of the addresses above, either by the 
person offended or by any other member of the list. They should not be sent 
to the list as well.

4. Upon receipt of such a complaint, the offender will be invited to submit 
to the group, and to the person offended, an on-line apology which has been 
accepted by the latter.

5. Beginning with the third warning, the moderators shall have the 
authority to remove the offenders ability to post to the mailing list.

6. The mailing list will be otherwise open and unfiltered by the mail 
distribution server.

7. All discussion about the moderator's performance is explicitly 
permitted, but must take place in messages that deal ONLY with the 
moderator's performance, and not with any of the other topics of discussion 
on the mailing list.
</end list rules>

>The recent messages from two of our members reminded me that we need to 
>get a formal vote according to the approved voting rules on the list rules.
>
>I would like the GA to consider adopting the current rules, with the 
>following changes:
>
>- There are 3 list monitors, not one. Any two of them can take action.
>- The list monitors are elected by the GA electorate using Instant Runoff 
>Voting.
>- Wording change: replace "sergeant-at-arms" with "list monitor" throughout
>- Change "The content of messages on the GA list" to "The content of messages
>   sent to the GA list". This eliminates an ambiguity when out-of-bonds
>   messages are sent to the GA list, but only appear on GA-full because of
>   crossposting or other reasons for rejection.
>
>I think that's the only changes I want to make based on experience.
>Your mileage may vary.
>
>(I would still appreciate it if someone could come up with candidate text 
>for describing IRV in implementable detail... but I think we know what we 
>mean by it by now, enough to figure out whether that's what we want)
>
>Thoughts?
>
>                  Harald
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 04:36:19 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] List rules

Harald and all remaining assembly members,

  The list rules for the DNSO GA list here are not currently legitimate
as you well know.  Any proposed list rules should be decided by the
DNSO list participants by majority vote.

  The changes to the illegitimate list rules are not expectable.

  Selective Censorship should be strictly forbidden.

  I will have a list of proposed list rules for this list later today...

  The current illegitimate rules are also not expectable.

Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

> The recent messages from two of our members reminded me that we need to get
> a formal vote according to the approved voting rules on the list rules.
>
> I would like the GA to consider adopting the current rules, with the
> following changes:
>
> - There are 3 list monitors, not one. Any two of them can take action.
> - The list monitors are elected by the GA electorate using Instant Runoff
> Voting.
> - Wording change: replace "sergeant-at-arms" with "list monitor" throughout
> - Change "The content of messages on the GA list" to "The content of messages
>    sent to the GA list". This eliminates an ambiguity when out-of-bonds
>    messages are sent to the GA list, but only appear on GA-full because of
>    crossposting or other reasons for rejection.
>
> I think that's the only changes I want to make based on experience.
> Your mileage may vary.
>
> (I would still appreciate it if someone could come up with candidate text
> for describing IRV in implementable detail... but I think we know what we
> mean by it by now, enough to figure out whether that's what we want)
>
> Thoughts?
>
>                   Harald
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:22:24 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

Hello Harald,

Tuesday, August 22, 2000, 1:34:02 AM, you wrote:

> At 01:18 22/08/2000 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>>Why endorse anyone?  The NC will pick the one candidate best suited to
>>protect the special interests who dominate the DNSO NC.

> because if we don't speak, we cannot complain that our voice is ignored.
> Frankly, if the number of endorsements is (for instance) one for Keogh and 
> 100 for DeBlanc, the NC may actually think twice before choosing Keogh, if 
> that was their initial inclination.

> If it's 11 to 9, I don't think they will consider it significant input.

You would be correct, if the NC had shown any tendency to care about
keeping up the appearance of propriety.

Since when has the NC or its members ever cared about the appearance
of propriety?

They never have, as they have shown time and time again.

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:34:02 -0700
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

At 01:18 22/08/2000 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>Why endorse anyone?  The NC will pick the one candidate best suited to
>protect the special interests who dominate the DNSO NC.

because if we don't speak, we cannot complain that our voice is ignored.
Frankly, if the number of endorsements is (for instance) one for Keogh and 
100 for DeBlanc, the NC may actually think twice before choosing Keogh, if 
that was their initial inclination.

If it's 11 to 9, I don't think they will consider it significant input.

               Harald

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:32:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Elections (Seconded)

By the way Jeff - I can no longer post to the ga - Harald has already
enacted the heil hitler brigade - even before he took action.  Some day
this crime will come back on Becky Burr - you can't commit fraud and
expect to get away with it.

regards
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:

> Harald and all,
> 
>   I think this reply will be my limit for a single days post to this list,
> a rather unusual illegitimate unsupported rule that YOU and ROBERTO
> have via fiat enacted, as all of us know.
> 
>   As to your question, you know, and is a matter of record, some
> VERY questionable voting practices that the DNSO under your
> and Roberto's selective censorship practices have occurred.
> It is also known that you have a personal conflict with Joe
> as well as myself and a few others that are Assembly members
> of the DNSO.  Hence it seems reasonable to assume that your
> seemingly obvious tone here reflects that vendetta as it applies
> to Joe Baptista.  So, denying him posting rights would seem to
> be out of order and not appropriate.  But of course you likely
> expected me to respond in this fashion, didn't you?  >;)
> 
>   Harald, Censorship in ANY of it's forms is WRONG!!!
> Some day you will learn this well known and globally
> respected and accepted FACT!
> 
> Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> 
> 
> > At 10:44 18/08/2000 -0400, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > >Mr. Roberto Gaetano and his side kick Harald earlier this year engagaed in
> > >electoral fraud.  We discovered it was intentional and premeditated.  But
> > >nothing was every done.
> >
> > shall we have a vote on whether Baptista's unfounded allegiations of
> > election fraud in an opinion poll (now THAT is a strange claim) constitute
> > reason for denying him posting rights?
> > I'm getting tired of this.
> >
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:47:57 +0200
From: Alexander Svensson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] About endorsements status

Dear Harald, dear list members!

> I found it interesting to check out the endorsements page.
> There are a few candidates who are quite heavily endorsed in Europe:
>
> Lutz Donnerhacke (318) - ISP, alternative gTLD operator, PGP author
> Jeanette Hoffman (333) - political scientist
> Andy Mueller-Maguhn (939) - student, Chaos Computer Club member
>
> I don't know anything about *why* these candidates appear to be in the lead
> to enter the election, but I guess the situation is similar in other regions.
>
> Jeanette Hoffman I've met, the others are blank to me.
> Anyone else know these people?

Lutz Donnerhacke is known among German Internet users mainly
for his Usenet activities (he was de.admin.news.announce
moderator) and cryptography expertise (he set up a
certification authority). I would not overrate ISP and alternative
gTLD operator, it's really only a very small company, and
the gTLD (.bofh by the way) seems to be more a fun project
than a business. He would probably not mind being described as
techie, he knows a lot about the technical stuff.

Andy Mueller-Maguhn is not only member, but speaker of
the Chaos Computer Club, probably the biggest European
hacker forum. The CCC has become something like an authority
on questions like data security and Net-related issues,
even appearing before parliamentary commissions and courts
as experts. Mueller-Maguhn is thus something like a
German net celebrity.

If you are a European at-large member, you might be interested
in joining the icann-europe mailingliste
(http://www.fitug.de/icann-europe) where a number of European
candidates are participating.

Further information and links are also available from
http://www.icannchannel.de/wahl2000/member.htm
http://www.heise.de/ct/icann/kandidaten/
http://www.gouvernance-internet.com.fr/candidats.html

Best regards,
/// Alexander

P.S.: If anyone is running other ICANN-related sites in
Europe, it would be great to get in touch -- just drop me
a mail!

_______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:19:43 -0700
From: Harald Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [Admin] Removal of posting rights

I have reviewed the message from Joe Baptista where he asks to be suspended 
from the list, and find that it contains the same offensive language for 
which Jeff Williams was suspended from the list on February 7.

His request to be suspended from the list is therefore granted.
His previous suspension was for 8 weeks; this one will therefore be for 16 
weeks, ending December 12, 2000.

At the same time, I note that Jeff Williams has repeated the accusations 
for which he was suspended on April 11 and May 27; his addition of 
"suspected" to his accusations is not enough to warrant him dragging this 
red herring into our discussions again.

His previous suspension was also for 8 weeks; this one will therefore also 
be for 16 weeks, and will end on December 12.

I don't think any of the gentlemen are surprised by this.

                         Harald Tveit Alvestrand
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:59:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick H Wesson <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [NSIRegistrars] NSI Registry Announces Statement of Direction On Multilingual Domain Names (fwd)

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Subject: [NSIRegistrars] NSI Registry Announces Statement of Direction On
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To All Registrars:

The NSI Registry published a Press Release today that announced our
statement of direction on Multilingual domain names.  As noted in the Press
Release, NSI Registry will soon begin taking steps to enable the
registration of Multilingual domain names through all active accredited
registrars.

In the near future, we will be providing all registrars with additional
detailed information.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions.

Regards,

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