Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1185
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GA-DIGEST            Monday, May 13 2002            Volume 01 : Number 1185

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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:22:59 -0400
From: "James Love" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] New registrations

I asked earlier if the DNSO would list the names of new voter registrtions.
The best I can do on my own is to compare the May 6 and May 12
registrations, which reckon added 57 new names, which are listed below.
(the roster went from 527 on May 6 to 584 today).  I personally recognize
(+) the names of  5 of the 57 added in that period.    The DNSO could make
the registration issue more transparent by offering a sort of the
registrations by date of registration, including the date field.  This would
allow anyone to see what is going on, or even go back and see what happened.
Of course, wild accusations don't need real data, just sufficient paranoia.
Jamie

      Simon  Thibodeau  Canada  Montreal
      Mark  Gomez  Canada  Vancouver
      James  Nedila  Canada
      Kyle  Silbert  Canada      Small business
      Patricio  Poblete  Chile  Santiago  NIC Chile  ccTLD
      Vincent  Fournols  France
      Jens  Krapohl  Germany  Bonn
      Beng Seng  CHAN  Hong Kong    DAGA  NCDNHC
      Srikanth  Narra  India/US
      George  Wright  UK  London
      Jon  Lawrence  UK  London
      Khairoun  Abji  UK  London
      Yoz  Grahame  UK  London
      Gervase  Markham  UK
      James  Cronin  UK
      Daniel  Paré  United Kingdom
      Richard  Krukar  USA  Albuquerque, NM
      Levien  de Braal  USA  Atlanta  Georgia Institute of Technology
      Sean  Mead  USA  Bloomington, IN  Blueriver Networking Services, Inc.
      Ivan  Plotnik  USA  Boston
      Andy  Deckowitz  USA  Buffalo Grove
      Christopher  Bowman  USA  Chevy Chase
      Charles  Seraphine  USA  Chicago
      Steven  Senator  USA  Colorado Springs, CO  Granite Canyon Group  Free
Infrastructure Services
      James  Salwen  USA  Dallas  Nortel
      Paul  Shryer  USA  Duluth, MN
      Paul  Vemmel  USA  Fairbanks
      H.B.  Telling  USA  Fairbanks    Alaska
      Norman  Joseph  USA  Johnstown, PA  Concurrent Technologies
Corporation
      Evan  Penfield  USA  Junction City, KY
      Larry  Tenna  USA  Junction, Colorado
      Walter  Schmidt  USA  Massapequa Park  Walter C. Schmidt, CPA
      Nicholas  Wesselman  USA  Milwaukee
      Matthew  Baker  USA  Mobile  ACO Information Services LLC
      Bob A.  Newton  USA  Nampa, Idaho
      Fred  Marker  USA  Palo Alto, California
      Blake  Puhak  USA  Richmond
      Isaac  Stein  USA  Rolla, MO
+    Shari  Steele  USA  San Francisco  Electronic Frontier Foundation
      Ben  Kaplan  USA  San Francisco
      Quinn  Weaver  USA  San Francisco
      Naomi  Sodderman  USA  Tampa
      Herman  Smith  USA  Tonapah, NV
      Miriam  Sapiro  USA  Washington, DC  Summit Strategies International
(already someone by this name registered to vote for Verisign)
+     Becky  Burr  USA  Washington, DC
+     Robert  Weissman  USA  Washington, DC (works in same office as me)
      Stephen  Brown  USA    Cube Host  Webhoster / Domain Owner
+   Milton  Mueller  USA    Syracuse University  NCDNHC
      Charles  Sabine, Jr.  USA
 +   Hans  Klein  USA
      Lynn  Bernstein  USA
      R   Laderman  USA
      Scott  Guelich  USA
      Scott  Neugroschl  USA
      William  Chen  USA
      Robert  Andrews  USA      Freelance Tech

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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:43:34 -0700
From: Gary Osbourne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Registrar Advisory Concerning Whois Data Accuracy

At 10:44 AM 12/05/02 -0700, todd glassey wrote:

>MY concern is what they actually do to maintain that their
>email address and other contact point data is valid. I
>would be surprised if any of the registrars ever did
>anything to verify squat at this point.

With this advisory, now they have to if anyone asks.

>The problem is that if the registrar's are not required
>to immediately take down any domain that does not have
>all the adequate information to support it

The Advisory states that they 'should' cancel the
registration if unable to verify.

>By the way, Spammers have two modes of operation. The
>first one is what I call "Hit and Miss" which is where
>they are operating illegally as crackers and will be
>sending out toxic spam from compromised systems...The
>second type of SPAM is that of commercial spammers
>and this form of unsolicited email is addressable since
>it is all propagated form single server-centric nodes.

This is largely inaccurate information. Try "SPAM FAQ"
at google.com.

>The Spam Mail of this type is addressable if any level
>of diligence is done at the Registrar Level.

As is this.

>Both forms of spam are illegal

Really? Which law(s)?

>My other favorite is the claim that you intentionally
>subscribed to this by going to some website. Even if
>you did, there would be a requirement, by law,...

Again, which law?

>...that they tell you up front that by visiting this
>site they were taking your email info from the Browser
>and subscribing you.

How does one take email info from the Browser?

These don't strike me as very good arguments for
giving up my privacy, even if they were accurate.
Breaching my privacy rights because some spammer
might breach your privacy rights is no solution,
either to guard privacy, or to fight spam. -g

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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:30:55 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: How do you "rebid" a cartel ?

Eric and all assembly members,

  Eric, it's simple.  We have a Rebid motion ready and past due
for a ballot so that the GA members may vote upon it.  We also
NOW have Alexanders milk toast (My interpretation) motion
as well...  Jamie's Rebid Motion has the support of
18 members in favor of a ballot to vote, and 8 against.
That is a tad better than two to one in favor of a ballot.

So far I count NONE in favor of Alexanders Motion/resolution
and 3 against it, including myself...

[email-masked] wrote:

> That is it!
>
> That is stone cold rock solid get in my face and get it done stuff.
>
> This here is truth and right.
>
> You guys get it done and tell me what is wrong and let me deal with the "thugs and
> insiders and all other means of total jackasses".
>
> Now would you give some elaboration on this thing called a rebid.  should we ask
> for it or not?
> Time is short.
>
> e
>
> best wishes to mothers
>
> Jim Fleming wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jefsey" <[email-masked]>
> > >
> > > 1. you never replace anything, you build in parallel and outdate the
> > > previous solutuion.
> >
> > Jefsey,
> >
> > I totally agree, we have to be practical. People that have been designing
> > telecommunication protocols for the past (too many) years, are fully aware
> > of the need and benefits of working "in parallel" with existing systems to
> > evolve and migrate. That requires careful planning for evolution. Revolutions
> > do not happen (often) unless there is a real paradigm shift or jump. Equipment
> > does not get upgraded overnight. Even when equipment is eventually
> > upgraded, the new has to often run in parallel with the old, for long periods
> > to "soak" and ensure that a cut-over has 0% chance of failure. This is not
> > rocket science, but it is also not child's play. There are people on planet
> > Earth that do this on a regular basis. Most of those people would not give
> > two cents for the opinion of some I* society thug or clown. In some cases,
> > you might be talking about a 1 bit change in a protocol. That could require
> > six months of testing in a full-scale lab. That could then require another six
> > months of testing in a full-scale lab in the field, handling test traffic. Then
> > one may be faced with a year of limited introduction in selected field sites.
> > In short, you may be looking at two years from the time a small change is
> > determined to be useful. That change could last 50 to 100 years. People
> > with five years of Internet experience, need to consider the big picture more.
> >
> > Jim Fleming
> > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:36:13 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Timetable and procedure for vote

Marilyn and all,

  We agree here Marilyn, in theory anyway.  The problem is that the
TYPE of escrow that was determined some time ago now is
terribly inadequate and unsecured.  Therefor it does not lend itself
to stability.  As such, it cannot meet the stability doctrine of the
White Paper adequately, or for that matter at all...

Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:

> I would think the best way to deal with any risk of failure of registrars would be to implement escrow and enforce it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: todd glassey [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:05 PM
> To: todd glassey; Dan Steinberg; Darrell Greenwood; Alexander Svensson
> Cc: Thomas Roessler; James Love; General assembly list
> Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Timetable and proceedure for vote
>
> My reasons for supporting the rebidding process were specific to no other
> major changes happening in ICANN, but if I had my druthers, an organization
> like ICANN needs more than just this reform. ICANN is an ungoverned
> nightmare that needs to be restructured if not taken down totally.  I favor
> the latter  myself, too.
>
> 1)    The first issue with ICANN is that the PSO's need to be restructured
> such that there is some culpability in the voting process or standards
> management efforts. Who ever heard of a global standards organization
> without any formal membership??? That makes the totality of the standards
> group the IESG and the IAB which is a real problem in and of itself. The
> only way to address this is to pull them into some other formal framework
> which they will all object to since it means giving up their unabashed
> control over what gets routed on the Internet and what doesn't.
>
> 2)    The second issues is the methods and processes that the ASO's use in
> operating the Internet Service inferences, that being the DNS and other
> Address Management efforts. This is really all of what ICANN was/should have
> bee setup to address anyway.
>
> 3)    And the third issue is the registrars themselves and this insane set
> of rules that they are operated under at this time. The place that the most
> reform needs to take place by the way is in the Registrar's process.
>
> One final conclusion - ICANN is only necessary as the bridge between these
> three arms of services regarding Internet Processes, and without them under
> it, there is no reason for ICANN to exist whatsoever. maybe that is what
> needs to be taken back to congress!
>
> By the way - if the only really loud voices objecting to this posting you
> hear are ICANN or other ISOC/IETF/IAB/IESG members/management, then ask
> yourself why that is. The only logical answer is that they would be
> protecting their jobs or that which gives them cultural distinction from
> others, i.e. that which makes no longer a mere mortal...
>
> Todd Glassey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "todd glassey" <[email-masked]>
> To: "todd glassey" <[email-masked]>; "Dan Steinberg"
> <[email-masked]>; "Darrell Greenwood" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: "Thomas Roessler" <[email-masked]>; "James Love"
> <[email-masked]>; "General assembly list" <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Timetable and proceedure for vote
>
> > Many apologies and this will be my last reply for the day -  I am sorry
> but
> > I should have been clearer in my response below that I think that this
> open
> > competition should be a regular thing. That the contracts should regularly
> > expire and then an open competition should be held for that slot. It will
> > keep the registrars on their toes and allow others into the mix. That
> being
> > said maybe a contract is awarded either for 4,5 or 10 years at most. But
> > there also in this process has to be a method of bouncing a registrar for
> > not providing a basic level of service.
> >
> > And as I have said I am also very concerned for the procedural models for
> > what happens when one registrar goes belly-up. This is happening more and
> > more these days and well, it would cripple any number of businesses if
> their
> > registrars and/or DNS service providers happened to die out from under
> them.
> > And since it is really unlikely that the registrar would send any notice
> > ahead of time to the customer let alone a letter that said "Hey sucker -
> so
> > long - its been nice and next Thursday at noon we are no
> more...Ahahahahaha"
> > so the net-net is that the registrar would very likely just close up one
> day
> > and with no notice leave their customers high and dry.
> >
> > And rather than to force the Registrars customers to deal with this kind
> of
> > gross negligence in civil court it would be better to put in place a
> > failover model that was to be implemented and some snapshot of every
> > registrar's maps such that if one of them dies the others could pickup the
> > pieces.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents
> >
> > Todd Glassey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "todd glassey" <[email-masked]>
> > To: "Dan Steinberg" <[email-masked]>; "Darrell Greenwood"
> > <[email-masked]>
> > Cc: "Thomas Roessler" <[email-masked]>; "James Love"
> > <[email-masked]>; "General assembly list" <[email-masked]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Timetable and proceedure for vote
> >
> >
> > > I have some more wording changes.
> > >
> > > See inline below.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan Steinberg" <[email-masked]>
> > > To: "Darrell Greenwood" <[email-masked]>
> > > Cc: "Thomas Roessler" <[email-masked]>; "James Love"
> > > <[email-masked]>; "General assembly list" <[email-masked]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Timetable and proceedure for vote
> > >
> > >
> > > > After mulling it over in my mind for a few days....I suggest the
> > > > slightly modified text as follows:
> > > >
> > > > The GA  sends a mandate too the US Department of Commerce and to the
> US
> > > Federal Trade Commission
> > >
> > > to  setup and require for perpetude,
> > >
> > > > an open
> > > > competition for the services now provided by ICANN
> > >
> > > ASO's. This new competition would address the need to develop both a US
> > > specific and an international framework for DNS management.  The
> rationale
> > > for mandating this rebid is that ICANN has dramatically changed the
> > intitial
> > > terms of refence for its own and the overall operaitons of the name
> space,
> > > and is at this time proposing even further changes. These proposed
> changes
> > >
> > > > have met extensive opposition in the Internet community and go even
> > > > further from the original terms of reference. The rebid would allow
> the
> > >
> > > DoC and the US Federal trade Commission to compell the ICANN board to
> > > address the critical initiatiaves and evolutionary requirements for
> > > restructuring; the alternatives offered by others for managing key
> > Internet
> > > resources; and provide for increased scrutiny in the form of a public
> > record
> > > as a part of the ongoing ICANN process audit.
> > >
> > >
> > > TTFN
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Darrell Greenwood wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/8/02 at 10:36 AM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote :
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 2002-05-08 04:25:49 -0400, James Love wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>"The GA asks the the US Department of Commerce to have an open
> > > > > >>competition for the services now provided by ICANN, provided that
> > > > > >>the new competition would address the need to develop an
> > > > > >>international framework for DNS management.  The rationale for
> > > > > >>asking for a rebid is that ICANN has dramatically changed the
> > > > > >>intitial terms of refence for ICANN, and is proposing even further
> > > > > >>changes, which have met extensive opposition in the Internet
> > > > > >>community. The rebid would allow the DoC to consider both the
> > > > > >>ICANN board proposal for restructuring, and alternatives offered
> > > > > >>by others for managing key Internet resources."
> > > > >
> > > > > I support this text.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Darrell
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:42:10 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Elisabeth Porteneuve <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Rumor ? RealNames Going Out Of Business, Shutting Down Keywords

RealNames Going Out Of Business, Shutting Down Keywords
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4680-2002May11.html
Washtech.com 02/05/11

...
By David McGuire
Washtech.com Staff Writer
Saturday, May 11, 2002; 9:28 AM 

RealNames Corp., one of the firms that pioneered the keyword 
approach to Internet addressing, will go out of business Monday, 
and as a result thousands of Internet keywords will go dark 
before the end of June, according to a source familiar with 
the situation.

RealNames, based in Redwood City, Calif., will lay off about 
80 employees on Monday and will begin the process of liquidating 
its assets, said the source, who asked to remain anonymous. 

Triggering the shutdown was a decision by Microsoft Corp., 
which allows keywords to resolve in its popular Internet 
Explorer (IE) Web browser, not to renew its exclusive contract 
with RealNames, the source said. 
...
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:55:53 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Rumor ? RealNames Going Out Of Business, Shutting Down Keywords

Sunday, May 12, 2002, 3:42:10 PM, Elisabeth Porteneuve wrote:

> RealNames Going Out Of Business, Shutting Down Keywords
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4680-2002May11.html
> Washtech.com 02/05/11

No rumor, the former CEO posted a link to his personal statement on
the OpenSRS list earlier today.

http://www.teare.com/

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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:35:00 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: How do you "rebid" a cartel ?

ah, come on Jim,

Do you realize I can get five engineers in a room and come up with a solution. In
30 minutes.

but give me 2 pollywogs and i could spend a month deciding how to screw in a
lightbulb.

Give me 3 financiers and my life is a living hell for 6 months.

So let us get down to basics.

All of the systems we are using will be outdated tommmmmmmmmmorow
But the Likud Rejects a Palestinian state.

So how do we build a system that allows for your speed and the reality of us
idiots that cannot get our ---- together.

Dang it how do i deal with Jimmy and Castro and also with servers and ips?

I got the Pope visiting SA and Powell making a Nuke accord, and you want us to
keep up with your ability to change our Internet?  What I am supposed to do with
libraries and cencorship.

Ok, so we agree to route around.  do you have a group ready?  Or do we have to
keep jerking around with this al experiment?

e
Jim Fleming wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
>
> > Eric and all assembly members,
> >
> >   Eric, it's simple.  We have a Rebid motion ready and past due
>
> Jeff,
>
> It may be even simpler than you think. Just make sure someone
> manages 0:0 .ARPA and IN-ADDR.ARPA. What are you going
> to do with 15.IN-ADDR.ARPA and 16.IN-ADDR.ARPA ?
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
>
> As for the other TLDs, they should be able to live or die on their own.
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>
> If the TLDs exist, the software tools will find them, and IN-ADDR.[TLD].
> http://root-dns.org
>
> If people need ideas for new TLDs, here are the extensions people voted for...
> http://www.icann.org/comments-mail/icann-current/msg00342.html
> Top 2,048 DLDs - Dash Level Domains
>
> Jim Fleming

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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:31:56 -0400
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Rumor ? RealNames Going Out Of Business, Shutting Down Keywords

William X Walsh wrote:

>Sunday, May 12, 2002, 3:42:10 PM, Elisabeth Porteneuve wrote:
>
>
>>RealNames Going Out Of Business, Shutting Down Keywords
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4680-2002May11.html
>>Washtech.com 02/05/11
>>
>
>No rumor, the former CEO posted a link to his personal statement on
>the OpenSRS list earlier today.
>
>http://www.teare.com/
>
 From the coments of the ex-RealNames CEO at the cited reference:

" I truly hope that the Chief Architect - Bill Gates - and the CEO - 
Steve Ballmer - are aware of the narrowness of the vision - the defence 
of search and the URL [ASCII based naming] against a truly global and 
multi-lingual naming platform with built in directory services. "

Interesting.  Very interesting.  And relevant.  $$$

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:35:43 -0400
From: t byfield <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Rumor ? RealNames Going Out Of Business, Shutting Down Keywords

[email-masked] (Mon 05/13/02 at 12:42 AM +0200):

> RealNames Going Out Of Business, Shutting Down Keywords
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4680-2002May11.html
> Washtech.com 02/05/11

according to RN's CEO/etc it's true. see my critical writeup on 
ICANN watch at: 

     <http://icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=732&mode=thread&order=0>

cheers,
t
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:34:09 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: FW: [ga] Re: Timetable and procedure for vote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joanna Lane [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 9:33 PM
> To: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA
> Subject: RE: [ga] Re: Timetable and procedure for vote
> 
> 
> > Cade,Marilyn S - LGA
> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:13 PM
> > I would think the best way to deal with any risk of failure of 
> > registrars would be to implement escrow and enforce it. 
> 
> Then why hasn't that ICANN done something along those lines already?
> Regards,
> Joanna
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:59:38 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] New registrations

+     Walter C. Schmidt, CPA - Information Technologies,  Massapequa Park,
NY.

I can confirm that Walts is a real person and valued member of the newly
formed New York Working Group of the At Large, with whom I have spoken by
phone. He is an active member of the Icannatlarge.com forum, has made
numerous postings there and is more than qualified to be a Voting member of
the GA. http://www.dorsai.org/~walts/
Regards,
Joanna

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of James
> Love
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:23 PM
> To: General assembly list
> Cc: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA
> Subject: [ga] New registrations
>
>
> I asked earlier if the DNSO would list the names of new voter
> registrtions.
> The best I can do on my own is to compare the May 6 and May 12
> registrations, which reckon added 57 new names, which are listed below.
> (the roster went from 527 on May 6 to 584 today).  I personally recognize
> (+) the names of  5 of the 57 added in that period.    The DNSO could make
> the registration issue more transparent by offering a sort of the
> registrations by date of registration, including the date field.
> This would
> allow anyone to see what is going on, or even go back and see
> what happened.
> Of course, wild accusations don't need real data, just sufficient
> paranoia.
> Jamie
>
>
>       Simon  Thibodeau  Canada  Montreal
>       Mark  Gomez  Canada  Vancouver
>       James  Nedila  Canada
>       Kyle  Silbert  Canada      Small business
>       Patricio  Poblete  Chile  Santiago  NIC Chile  ccTLD
>       Vincent  Fournols  France
>       Jens  Krapohl  Germany  Bonn
>       Beng Seng  CHAN  Hong Kong    DAGA  NCDNHC
>       Srikanth  Narra  India/US
>       George  Wright  UK  London
>       Jon  Lawrence  UK  London
>       Khairoun  Abji  UK  London
>       Yoz  Grahame  UK  London
>       Gervase  Markham  UK
>       James  Cronin  UK
>       Daniel  Paré  United Kingdom
>       Richard  Krukar  USA  Albuquerque, NM
>       Levien  de Braal  USA  Atlanta  Georgia Institute of Technology
>       Sean  Mead  USA  Bloomington, IN  Blueriver Networking
> Services, Inc.
>       Ivan  Plotnik  USA  Boston
>       Andy  Deckowitz  USA  Buffalo Grove
>       Christopher  Bowman  USA  Chevy Chase
>       Charles  Seraphine  USA  Chicago
>       Steven  Senator  USA  Colorado Springs, CO  Granite Canyon
> Group  Free
> Infrastructure Services
>       James  Salwen  USA  Dallas  Nortel
>       Paul  Shryer  USA  Duluth, MN
>       Paul  Vemmel  USA  Fairbanks
>       H.B.  Telling  USA  Fairbanks    Alaska
>       Norman  Joseph  USA  Johnstown, PA  Concurrent Technologies
> Corporation
>       Evan  Penfield  USA  Junction City, KY
>       Larry  Tenna  USA  Junction, Colorado
>       Walter  Schmidt  USA  Massapequa Park  Walter C. Schmidt, CPA
>       Nicholas  Wesselman  USA  Milwaukee
>       Matthew  Baker  USA  Mobile  ACO Information Services LLC
>       Bob A.  Newton  USA  Nampa, Idaho
>       Fred  Marker  USA  Palo Alto, California
>       Blake  Puhak  USA  Richmond
>       Isaac  Stein  USA  Rolla, MO
> +    Shari  Steele  USA  San Francisco  Electronic Frontier Foundation
>       Ben  Kaplan  USA  San Francisco
>       Quinn  Weaver  USA  San Francisco
>       Naomi  Sodderman  USA  Tampa
>       Herman  Smith  USA  Tonapah, NV
>       Miriam  Sapiro  USA  Washington, DC  Summit Strategies International
> (already someone by this name registered to vote for Verisign)
> +     Becky  Burr  USA  Washington, DC
> +     Robert  Weissman  USA  Washington, DC (works in same office as me)
>       Stephen  Brown  USA    Cube Host  Webhoster / Domain Owner
> +   Milton  Mueller  USA    Syracuse University  NCDNHC
>       Charles  Sabine, Jr.  USA
>  +   Hans  Klein  USA
>       Lynn  Bernstein  USA
>       R   Laderman  USA
>       Scott  Guelich  USA
>       Scott  Neugroschl  USA
>       William  Chen  USA
>       Robert  Andrews  USA      Freelance Tech
>
> --------------------------------
> James Love mailto:[email-masked]
> http://www.cptech.org +1.202.387.8030 mobile +1.202.361.3040
>
>
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:06:41 -0400
From: "James Love" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New registrations

Joanna.  I assume every one of these registrations are real people, who are
qualified to participate in the GA.   I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise.
Jamie

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joanna Lane" <[email-masked]>
To: "General assembly list" <[email-masked]>; "James Love"
<[email-masked]>
Cc: "walter schmidt" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: [ga] New registrations

> +     Walter C. Schmidt, CPA - Information Technologies,  Massapequa Park,
> NY.
>
> I can confirm that Walts is a real person and valued member of the newly
> formed New York Working Group of the At Large, with whom I have spoken by
> phone. He is an active member of the Icannatlarge.com forum, has made
> numerous postings there and is more than qualified to be a Voting member
of
> the GA. http://www.dorsai.org/~walts/
> Regards,
> Joanna
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of James
> > Love
> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:23 PM
> > To: General assembly list
> > Cc: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA
> > Subject: [ga] New registrations
> >
> >
> > I asked earlier if the DNSO would list the names of new voter
> > registrtions.
> > The best I can do on my own is to compare the May 6 and May 12
> > registrations, which reckon added 57 new names, which are listed below.
> > (the roster went from 527 on May 6 to 584 today).  I personally
recognize
> > (+) the names of  5 of the 57 added in that period.    The DNSO could
make
> > the registration issue more transparent by offering a sort of the
> > registrations by date of registration, including the date field.
> > This would
> > allow anyone to see what is going on, or even go back and see
> > what happened.
> > Of course, wild accusations don't need real data, just sufficient
> > paranoia.
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> >       Simon  Thibodeau  Canada  Montreal
> >       Mark  Gomez  Canada  Vancouver
> >       James  Nedila  Canada
> >       Kyle  Silbert  Canada      Small business
> >       Patricio  Poblete  Chile  Santiago  NIC Chile  ccTLD
> >       Vincent  Fournols  France
> >       Jens  Krapohl  Germany  Bonn
> >       Beng Seng  CHAN  Hong Kong    DAGA  NCDNHC
> >       Srikanth  Narra  India/US
> >       George  Wright  UK  London
> >       Jon  Lawrence  UK  London
> >       Khairoun  Abji  UK  London
> >       Yoz  Grahame  UK  London
> >       Gervase  Markham  UK
> >       James  Cronin  UK
> >       Daniel  Paré  United Kingdom
> >       Richard  Krukar  USA  Albuquerque, NM
> >       Levien  de Braal  USA  Atlanta  Georgia Institute of Technology
> >       Sean  Mead  USA  Bloomington, IN  Blueriver Networking
> > Services, Inc.
> >       Ivan  Plotnik  USA  Boston
> >       Andy  Deckowitz  USA  Buffalo Grove
> >       Christopher  Bowman  USA  Chevy Chase
> >       Charles  Seraphine  USA  Chicago
> >       Steven  Senator  USA  Colorado Springs, CO  Granite Canyon
> > Group  Free
> > Infrastructure Services
> >       James  Salwen  USA  Dallas  Nortel
> >       Paul  Shryer  USA  Duluth, MN
> >       Paul  Vemmel  USA  Fairbanks
> >       H.B.  Telling  USA  Fairbanks    Alaska
> >       Norman  Joseph  USA  Johnstown, PA  Concurrent Technologies
> > Corporation
> >       Evan  Penfield  USA  Junction City, KY
> >       Larry  Tenna  USA  Junction, Colorado
> >       Walter  Schmidt  USA  Massapequa Park  Walter C. Schmidt, CPA
> >       Nicholas  Wesselman  USA  Milwaukee
> >       Matthew  Baker  USA  Mobile  ACO Information Services LLC
> >       Bob A.  Newton  USA  Nampa, Idaho
> >       Fred  Marker  USA  Palo Alto, California
> >       Blake  Puhak  USA  Richmond
> >       Isaac  Stein  USA  Rolla, MO
> > +    Shari  Steele  USA  San Francisco  Electronic Frontier Foundation
> >       Ben  Kaplan  USA  San Francisco
> >       Quinn  Weaver  USA  San Francisco
> >       Naomi  Sodderman  USA  Tampa
> >       Herman  Smith  USA  Tonapah, NV
> >       Miriam  Sapiro  USA  Washington, DC  Summit Strategies
International
> > (already someone by this name registered to vote for Verisign)
> > +     Becky  Burr  USA  Washington, DC
> > +     Robert  Weissman  USA  Washington, DC (works in same office as me)
> >       Stephen  Brown  USA    Cube Host  Webhoster / Domain Owner
> > +   Milton  Mueller  USA    Syracuse University  NCDNHC
> >       Charles  Sabine, Jr.  USA
> >  +   Hans  Klein  USA
> >       Lynn  Bernstein  USA
> >       R   Laderman  USA
> >       Scott  Guelich  USA
> >       Scott  Neugroschl  USA
> >       William  Chen  USA
> >       Robert  Andrews  USA      Freelance Tech
> >
> > --------------------------------
> > James Love mailto:[email-masked]
> > http://www.cptech.org +1.202.387.8030 mobile +1.202.361.3040
> >
> >
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