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GA-DIGEST          Thursday, August 17 2000          Volume 01 : Number 118

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:51:40 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] The everlasting PIN situation

Roberto and all remaining assembly members,

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> Mikael, Christopher, and members of the Election Committee.
> (please fwd this notice also to Mr. Nguyen Huu Dong, whose E-Mail
> address is unknown to me)
>
> What worries me most in this PIN story is the size of the problem.
> Few hours ago we had only 36231 "activated" members, out of the total of
>  "unverified" 158593. That makes roughly between 20% and 25%.

  Indeed!  This problem was inevitable starting way back last February.
This shows clearly the lack of understanding from the ICANN Board
the interest level of the majority of stakeholders.  When you have between
70-75% of the applicants for AT Large membership that have either
not received their PIN numbers yet or have not activated them due to
some "Glitch" in the registration system for membership, you have a very
serious problem.  This is especially true when the ICANN Board is
going ahead with nominations anyway despite this known discrepancy.
This shows lack of good and responsible leadership without a doubt...

>
>
> It is impossible to say why more than 3 out of 4 people have not yet
> activated their membership, i.e. whether they did not receive their PINs
> , they have lost it, they are on vacation (common thing to do in August,
>  at least in Europe).
> Whatever the reason, the fact is that the ability for Members to
> participate in the "membership-nomination" phase is dramatically
> reduced.
> Under these circumstances, it seems obvious to me that some action has
> to be taken by the Board.
> For instance, to consider the 2% cap on the activated members at
> midnight 2000-08-14 instead of the 2% of the (theoretical) number of
> overall members.
> The best action, as suggested by others, would be to postpone the period
>  of endorsement to "member-nominated" candidates until the PIN-sending
> process is not finished + reasonable mail delay time. But can/will the
> Board take such action?
> It would be much better for ICANN and for the Members to have a more
> clean and complete election, but later in time, than to risk to be
> accused of introducing a bias in rushing things.
> Anyway, we have an "Elections Committee" whose task is to oversee the
> regular rollout of the elections. I would like to suggest them to come
> up with a statement on the subject.
>
> Best regards
> Roberto
>
> >(to: Christopher Ambler, cc: to Esther Dyson and the GA, please find Mr
>
> >Amblers original message attached below)
> >
> >Dear Mr Ambler,
> >I wish I could use that as a comforting fact, but it just adds to the
> >confusion regarding the PIN situation. I heard that the PINs would be
> sent
> >in batches - fair enough - but now the election is due and I still do
> not
> >know how to vote without my PIN. I sure can understand that ICANN
> suffer
> >from intial administrative problems, but it's harder to accept that a
> >legally binding election will take place when several voters have no
> means
> >of participation.
> >
> >The PIN situation should be solved or the election postponed. Any other
>
> >alternative is unjust and unfair. I might excercise my right not to
> vote
> >for any of the candidates, but for the time beeing I'm even denied to
>
> >make such a choice.
> >
> >Lucky ICANN to have Esther Dyson as chairman - who I know is just,
> >otherwise I might have suggested foul play. Now that is hardly an
> option,
> >but the PIN situation urgently needs to be addressed.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Mikael
> >
> >On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Christopher Ambler wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I live in Seattle, WA USA, and was one of the first to sign
> >> up, and I've not gotten my PIN yet either.
> >>
> >> I really want to give my member support to Karl Auerbach, but
> >> I can't until I get my PIN.
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mikael Pawlo" <[email-masked]>
> >> To: <[email-masked]>
> >> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:11 PM
> >> Subject: [ga] The everlasting PIN situation
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Still no PINs for several people in Sweden. Actually I haven't
> heard of
> >> > any Swede receiving his PIN. The election is due and this is really
>
> >> > starting to annoy me. If we don't receive PINs - is there another
> way for
> >> > us to cast our vote?
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > Mikael
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:54:34 -0700
From: "Bret A. Fausett" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] At Large Elections

For those of you who registered to vote in the upcoming ICANN At Large
elections, you can now, and for the next two weeks, formally endorse some of
the candidates seeking to make the final ballot. The endorsement URL is:

   https://members.icann.org/cgi-bin/atlarge/endorse.cgi

(The endorsement process is simply to determine who makes the final ballot.
You could endorse a candidate for ballot purposes and then vote for someone
else in October, when the election is held.)

The various candidate pages are linked from:

    http://members.icann.org/nom.html

To endorse a candidate, you'll first need to activate your membership. To
activate, you'll need your membership number, password and PIN. You can
activate here:

   http://members.icann.org/members_only.htm

The reminder URL to have your membership number and password e-mailed to you
is at:

   https://members.icann.org/reminder.access.html

Your PIN was sent via postal mail.

Vote early and often, ;-) (Actually, you can only endorse *one* candidate,
so you might take the time to read the candidate pages carefully.)

        -- Bret

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:28:42 -0700
From: "Christopher Ambler" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] At Large Elections

> Your PIN was sent via postal mail.

No, it wasn't. I still don't have it. I would like to state for the
record that I cast my support for Karl Auerbach. I have no
expectation of receiving my PIN in time.

Christopher

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:45:40 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] At Large Elections

Chris and all remaining assembly members,

  I think you are likely correct Chris.  It is not likely that 70 to 80%

of those applied AT Large members will receive their PIN's or have
their PIN's that will work before this election is over.  Such a sham
of an election!

  It is interesting how with ICANN or the DNSO, part of ICANN,
history seems to repeat itself....

Christopher Ambler wrote:

> > Your PIN was sent via postal mail.
>
> No, it wasn't. I still don't have it. I would like to state for the
> record that I cast my support for Karl Auerbach. I have no
> expectation of receiving my PIN in time.
>
> Christopher
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] At Large Elections (fwd)

Is there a list anywhere of all candidates for member nomination by
icann@large - is this not supose to be posted by now?

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On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Christopher Ambler wrote:

> > Your PIN was sent via postal mail.
> 
> No, it wasn't. I still don't have it. I would like to state for the
> record that I cast my support for Karl Auerbach. I have no
> expectation of receiving my PIN in time.
> 
> Christopher
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:43:47 -0400
From: NFT Services <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] At Large Elections (fwd)

Yes there is:
 http://members.icann.org/nom.html

Joe Baptista wrote:

> Is there a list anywhere of all candidates for member nomination by
> icann@large - is this not supose to be posted by now?
>
> Joe Baptista
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> On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Christopher Ambler wrote:
>
> > > Your PIN was sent via postal mail.
> >
> > No, it wasn't. I still don't have it. I would like to state for the
> > record that I cast my support for Karl Auerbach. I have no
> > expectation of receiving my PIN in time.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:50:24 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] At Large Elections

Chris,

ICANN claims it has sent all PINs by August 7, which makes it very 
likely that your PIN is somewhere in the Postal system.
My suggestion would be, to you and to the others that are in the same 
situation, to activate the procedure for "lost PIN", and that before too
 late.
It is already difficult to get to 2% of the votes, that there's no 
reason to make this risk higher.

Regards
Roberto

>> Your PIN was sent via postal mail.
>
>No, it wasn't. I still don't have it. I would like to state for the
>record that I cast my support for Karl Auerbach. I have no
>expectation of receiving my PIN in time.
>
>Christopher
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:54:12 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] At Large Elections

May I also suggest that you read the FAQ at http://members.icann.org/
faq.htm.

There are some interesting info, including that you can change your mind
 underway (see http://members.icann.org/faq.htm#change).

Regards
Roberto

>For those of you who registered to vote in the upcoming ICANN At Large
>elections, you can now, and for the next two weeks, formally endorse 
some of
>the candidates seeking to make the final ballot. The endorsement URL is
:
>
>   https://members.icann.org/cgi-bin/atlarge/endorse.cgi
>
>(The endorsement process is simply to determine who makes the final 
ballot.
>You could endorse a candidate for ballot purposes and then vote for 
someone
>else in October, when the election is held.)
>
>The various candidate pages are linked from:
>
>    http://members.icann.org/nom.html
>
>To endorse a candidate, you'll first need to activate your membership. 
To
>activate, you'll need your membership number, password and PIN. You can

>activate here:
>
>   http://members.icann.org/members_only.htm
>
>The reminder URL to have your membership number and password e-mailed 
to you
>is at:
>
>   https://members.icann.org/reminder.access.html
>
>Your PIN was sent via postal mail.
>
>Vote early and often, ;-) (Actually, you can only endorse *one* 
candidate,
>so you might take the time to read the candidate pages carefully.)
>
>        -- Bret
>   
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:19:50 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] At Large Elections

Hello Roberto,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 11:50:24 PM, you wrote:

> Chris,

> ICANN claims it has sent all PINs by August 7, which makes it very 
> likely that your PIN is somewhere in the Postal system.

And you believe them?  With their history?

"Oh ICANN, how dishonest you can be, let me count the ways...."

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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:30:03 +0100
From: "Siegfried Langenbach" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] At Large Elections

Well, as a matter of fact : I got the letter.

siegfried

On 16 Aug 00, at 1:19, William X. Walsh wrote:

> Hello Roberto,
> 
> Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 11:50:24 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Chris,
> 
> > ICANN claims it has sent all PINs by August 7, which makes it very 
> > likely that your PIN is somewhere in the Postal system.
> 
> And you believe them?  With their history?
> 
> 
> "Oh ICANN, how dishonest you can be, let me count the ways...."
> 
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:33:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] At Large Elections

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> May I also suggest that you read the FAQ at http://members.icann.org/
> faq.htm.
> 
> There are some interesting info, including that you can change your mind
>  underway (see http://members.icann.org/faq.htm#change).

Oh you can change your mind after you have voted.  Sounds like a receipy
for electoral fraud.  Fraud has already been committed here by you and
Harald - so I'm happy that standard is being upheld by ICANN.

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> 
> Regards
> Roberto
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >For those of you who registered to vote in the upcoming ICANN At Large
> >elections, you can now, and for the next two weeks, formally endorse 
> some of
> >the candidates seeking to make the final ballot. The endorsement URL is
> :
> >
> >   https://members.icann.org/cgi-bin/atlarge/endorse.cgi
> >
> >(The endorsement process is simply to determine who makes the final 
> ballot.
> >You could endorse a candidate for ballot purposes and then vote for 
> someone
> >else in October, when the election is held.)
> >
> >The various candidate pages are linked from:
> >
> >    http://members.icann.org/nom.html
> >
> >To endorse a candidate, you'll first need to activate your membership. 
> To
> >activate, you'll need your membership number, password and PIN. You can
> 
> >activate here:
> >
> >   http://members.icann.org/members_only.htm
> >
> >The reminder URL to have your membership number and password e-mailed 
> to you
> >is at:
> >
> >   https://members.icann.org/reminder.access.html
> >
> >Your PIN was sent via postal mail.
> >
> >Vote early and often, ;-) (Actually, you can only endorse *one* 
> candidate,
> >so you might take the time to read the candidate pages carefully.)
> >
> >        -- Bret
> >   
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:28:49 +0800
From: "YJ Park" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Re[3]: [ga] Elections

Dear Jonathan,

Names Council teleconference was just finished and NC has made sure
DNSO Review task force is going to facilitate the communications
between any relevant group and Names Council. 

Therefore, my understanding after talking this with Theresa and Ken 
during the NC meeting is you can participate in the DNSO review TK
and mostly welcomed to give your inputs based upon your expertise 
and experiences.

Thanks,

YJ

> Absolutely correct.
> 
> (I wish I was able to express myself so clearly)
> 
> Roberto
> 
> P.S.: action point for me noted - I will get back to the GA with the 
> list. I can already anticipate that they are one per Constituency, plys 
> yours truly.
> 
> 
> > My understanding:
> >
> > The NC decided a review of the DNSO should be undertaken using *two*
> >bodies: a "Task Force" and a WG.  The Task Force was formed by 
> invitation
> >only,  with members nominated by each of the constituencies.  To my
> >knowledge, the names of the Task Force members have not been made 
> public.
> >(Roberto, can you tell us who they are?)  The Task Force is putting
> >together a workplan for the rest of the review process; its draft 
> document
> >has also not been made public.  Once the workplan is completed and 
> approved
> >by the NC, the NC will issue a call for rank-and-file members to enlist
>  in
> >the working group.
> >
> >Roberto, is this correct?
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >
> >Jonathan Weinberg
> >[email-masked]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 08:41 PM 8/14/00 +0200, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> >>Michael,
> >>
> >>Sorry for the confusion.
> >>As I expalined in a previous post, the document is the initial 
> document 
> >>that is circulating in the Task Force to define the scope of work.
> >>
> >>You did not miss anything.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>Roberto
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>That's amazing.  What kind of notice got sent to ICANN mailing list
> >>>members?  Am I no longer on the relevant list? 
> >>>
> >>>On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The NC Task Force is at work, I am part of it.
> >>>> The deadline for comments on the initial document is today.
> >>>
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