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Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 23:27:45 -0700
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Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

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I fully support the motion for a vote.

If I am not mistaken a "General Assembly" vote to disband is almost
always an option in general assemblies.
It would seem that this would be the most valuable, advice that could
come from the GA.

(I would venture to say also that those opposed to having a vote are
really opposed to a rebid)

Sincerely,
Eric

"Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:

> I disagree with the vote and think this a diversion from doing useful
> work. Marilyn Cade
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: John Palmer [mailto:[email-masked]]
>      Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:54 PM
>      To: [email-masked]
>      Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of
>      ICANN contract
>
>      Ok Tom - thats 9 - Whats the magic number?
>
>           ----- Original Message -----
>           From: jefsey
>           To: [email-masked]
>           Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:37 PM
>           Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on
>           rebid of ICANN contract
>            I second all this. I suggest that the
>           icannatlarge.com presents this motion to its
>           members and they register on the GA to participate
>           to such a vote. May be a good occasion to have the
>           GA list taking overt the ALSC list to be closed?
>           This a real occasion if everyone shares in it.
>           Like for Plan B.
>           jfc
>
>           On 02:14 03/05/02, Joanna Lane said:
>
>
>          > PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PREFERENCE  BELOW.
>          >
>          > Mr. James Love, a member in good standing  of
>          > the DNSO's General Assembly, has made a call for
>          > action, specifically stating:
>          >
>          >  "I move that the GA poll its members, to record
>          > its views on whether or not the US Department of
>          > Commerce should have an open competition for the
>          > services now provided by ICANN. The rationale
>          > for asking for a rebid is that ICANN has
>          > dramatically changed the initial terms of
>          > reference for ICANN, and is proposing even
>          > further changes, which have met extensive
>          > opposition in the Internet community. The rebid
>          > would allow the NTIA to consider alternatives to
>          > the current ICANN plan for managing key Internet
>          > resources.
>          >
>          > The vote should be taken within 10 days."
>          >
>          > Seconds: John Palmer, Danny Younger.
>          >
>          > Members who have indicated their agreement with
>          > taking a Vote:-
>          >
>          >   1. James Love (Proponent)
>          >   2. John Palmer (Second)
>          >   3. Danny Younger (Second)
>          >   4. Jeanette Hoffman
>          >   5. Joanna Lane
>          >   6. Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>          >   7. Karl Auerbach
>          >   8. .
>          >   9. .
>          >
>          >
>          > Members who have indicated their disagreement
>          > with taking a Vote:-
>          >
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I fully support the motion for a vote.
<p>If I am not mistaken a "General Assembly" vote to disband is almost
always an option in general assemblies.
<br>It would seem that this would be the most valuable, advice that could
come from the GA.
<p>(I would venture to say also that those opposed to having a vote are
really opposed to a rebid)
<p>Sincerely,
<br>Eric
<p>"Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
<span class=294322304-03052002><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=-1>I
disagree with the vote and think this a diversion from doing useful work.
Marilyn Cade</font></font></font></span>
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<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1>-----Original
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<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>From:</b> John Palmer [<A HREF="mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</A>]</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 02, 2002
11:54 PM</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>To:</b> [email-masked]</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ga] Motion asking
for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract</font></font>
<br>&nbsp;</div>
<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Ok Tom - thats 9 - Whats the magic number?</font></font>
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<div 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" title="[email-masked]">jefsey</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" title="[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:37
PM</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ga] Motion asking for
GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract</div>
&nbsp;I second all this. I suggest that the icannatlarge.com presents this
motion to its members and they register on the GA to participate to such
a vote. May be a good occasion to have the GA list taking overt the ALSC
list to be closed? This a real occasion if everyone shares in it. Like
for Plan B.
<br>jfc
<p>On 02:14 03/05/02, Joanna Lane said:
<br>&nbsp;
<blockquote class=cite type="cite" cite=""><font size=-1>PLEASE INDICATE
YOUR PREFERENCE&nbsp; BELOW.</font>
<p><font size=-1>Mr. James Love, a member in good standing&nbsp; of the
DNSO's General Assembly, has made a call for action, specifically stating:</font>
<p><font size=-1>&nbsp;<b>"I move that the GA poll its members, to record
its views on whether or not the US Department of Commerce should have an
open competition for the services now provided by ICANN. The rationale
for asking for a rebid is that ICANN has dramatically changed the initial
terms of reference for ICANN, and is proposing even further changes, which
have met extensive opposition in the Internet community. The rebid would
allow the NTIA to consider alternatives to the current ICANN plan for managing
key Internet resources.</b></font>
<p><b><font size=-1>The vote should be taken within 10 days."</font></b>
<p><font size=-1>Seconds: John Palmer, Danny Younger.</font>
<p><u><font size=-1>Members who have indicated their <b>agreement with
taking a Vote</b>:-</font></u>
<ol>
<li>
<font size=-1>James Love (Proponent)</font></li>

<li>
<font size=-1>John Palmer (Second)</font></li>

<li>
<font size=-1>Danny Younger (Second)</font></li>

<li>
<font size=-1>Jeanette Hoffman</font></li>

<li>
<font size=-1>Joanna Lane</font></li>

<li>
<font size=-1>Sotiris Sotiropoulos</font></li>

<li>
<font size=-1>Karl Auerbach</font></li>

<li>
<font size=-1>.</font></li>

<li>
<font size=-1>.</font></li>
</ol>

<p><br><u><font size=-1>Members who have indicated their<b> disagreement
with taking a Vote</b>:-</font></u>
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Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 23:43:12 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

This is a perfect example of when lack of process leads to dictatorship.

First:  Mr. Love is a member and has no requirement to care what TR thinks.

Second: TR is a duly elected chair and has all the requirement to care what
Mr. Love thinks. But he openly states that he does not care what members
think.
Third: in that there is no procedure, votes and motions only occur when one
man wants them to occur. TR
fourth:  Apathy in the early stages.
Combine 1,2,3 and 4 above and you have dictatorship.

(it is kind of cool to actually watch how dictators come to power, I have
never been a part of such a process)

Sincerely,
Eric

Thomas Roessler wrote:

> On 2002-05-02 17:54:06 -0400, James Love wrote:
>
> >It will give the GA members a voice.  I don't care what your
> >personal views are on the merits of the proposal I would like
> >voted on.
>
> Likewise, I don't care what your personal views are on what the GA
> should vote on.
>
> That said, could we please return to dialogue mode, and try to get a
> motion onto the table which would enable the GA to make a
> _constructive_ contribution?  If you want help and suggestions for
> this, please refer to my original reply to your motion.  If you
> don't want that help, that's your problem.
>
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Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 23:59:34 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] i do not know abot this

Thursday, May 02, 2002, 5:59:39 AM, John Palmer wrote:

> Proof is that based on the stats on our ORSC root server. Number of users
> can be
> calculated based on number of hits to the server.  Traffic to inclusive
> namespace
> servers has tripled in the past few months. Taiwan and China no longer use
> USG
> roots.  Its over. People are on to ICANN. Just give it up.

Then why do you insist on spamming ICANN forums still?

Keep dreaming, Mr Palmer.

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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:02:14 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

Thursday, May 02, 2002, 8:31:14 AM, James Love wrote:

> Thomas,

> I don't mind you having any opinion you want on this.  But I am asking for a
> vote, to estabish how the GA members feel about this issue.      The GA
> doesn't have the power to force decisions, but it can let people know what
> its members (not only its chair) think.   I am asking for a vote.  We can
> address what is on the ballot if we can agree that there will be a vote.

Before a matter is brought to a vote, the issue should have been
discussed on the list and vetted more.   The vote should merely be a
formality to put the GA's official stamp on the result.  The consensus
should have been established through extensive discussion and debate
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:06:20 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

I disagree with the DNSO GA considering this motion, because it would
do irrepairable harm to the GA's ability to assert itself within the
ICANN process.  It is counter productive, and serves no constructive
purpose whatsoever.

Thursday, May 02, 2002, 5:14:29 PM, Joanna Lane wrote:

> PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PREFERENCE  BELOW.

> Mr. James Love, a member in good standing  of the DNSO's General Assembly,
> has made a call for action, specifically stating:

>  "I move that the GA poll its members, to record its views on whether or not
> the US Department of Commerce should have an open competition for the
> services now provided by ICANN. The rationale for asking for a rebid is that
> ICANN has dramatically changed the initial terms of reference for ICANN, and
> is proposing even further changes, which have met extensive opposition in
> the Internet community. The rebid would allow the NTIA to consider
> alternatives to the current ICANN plan for managing key Internet resources.

> The vote should be taken within 10 days."

> Seconds: John Palmer, Danny Younger.

> Members who have indicated their agreement with taking a Vote:-

>   1.. James Love (Proponent)
>   2.. John Palmer (Second)
>   3.. Danny Younger (Second)
>   4.. Jeanette Hoffman
>   5.. Joanna Lane
>   6.. Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>   7.. Karl Auerbach
>   8.. .
>   9.. .
>   10..

> Members who have indicated their disagreement with taking a Vote:-
>   1..
>   2..
>   3..

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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:06:59 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

Sorry, Joanna, but an issue of this importance requires much more than
2 weeks worth of consideration.

Thursday, May 02, 2002, 6:11:34 PM, Joanna Lane wrote:

> Proposed Time Line.
> The following table sets out what is believed to be a reasonable guideline
> as to the timing of the various events that need to take place in order  for
> the whole Assembly to vote on this issue  within a 10 day period . What
> follows are not strict "rules" but rather a rough sketch of the rates at
> which Members could expect things to happen. That is, the "duration" is not
> carved in stone, but rather what one should expect to see, all other things
> being equal.  Given the requirement for a Vote to take place  within  10
> days, more than one process must take place at once, hence this table
> provides deadlines for each of the concurrent processes.

>  Action                                    Duration
> Commencing                Closing
> Recognition of Proposal                                            Thursday
> May 2nd
> Poll                                         3 days
> Friday May 2nd        Sunday May 5th
> General Discussion                3 days                          Friday May
> 2nd        Sunday May 5th
> Debate on wording of Motion 3 days                         Friday May 3rd
> Sunday May 5th
> Recognition of Motion *           24 hours                        Monday May
> 6th
> Vote of the Assembly             5 days                            Tuesday
> May 7th        Saturday May 11th
> Final Report                          24 hours                        Sunday
> May 12th

> * This assumes the the form of wording is agreeable without the need for a
> further Poll,
> and that the DNSO Secretariat needs no more than 24 hours notice to send
> Ballots to the Assembly.

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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:10:21 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract - update 1

This "motion" is nothing but an attempt by some vocal ICANN critics do
try and create an "embarrassment" for ICANN so they can say that
ICANN's own DNSO General Assembly has said "blah blah blah" and use
that in their media plays.

It is ill-times, counter productive, and those who support it are
doing everything possible to try and rush it through.

I hope our elected chair will be the leader he has shown himself to be
and resist such efforts.

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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 00:15:45 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] backsliding

Blocking a voting or polling on a subject until there is a poll or vote
to decide if we need a poll or vote is pretty much a catch 22.  No one
asked for or seconded a motion for a vote - today.  And now there is a
debate proceeding and I only hope that TR is morally responsible enough
to fulfill his obligations as a chair.  And to due it within the time
necessary.

Backsliding by my buddy Meriam and his buddy Webster;

                     One entry found for backslide.

                     Main Entry: back·slide
                     Pronunciation: -"slId
                     Function: intransitive verb
                     Inflected Form(s): back·slid  /-"slid/; -slid or
back·slid·den
                     /-"sli-d&n/; back·slid·ing  /-"slI-di[ng]/
                     Date: 1581
                     1 : to lapse morally or in the practice of religion

                     2 : to revert to a worse condition : RETROGRESS
                     - back·slid·er  /-"slI-d&r/ noun

The GA is always on the verge of collapse because it is always on the
verge of suffering from just enough of the last ingredient it needs to
totally fail; Apathy.

Thanks to all who participate, it is a thin line that keeps us from
failure.

Eric

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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:29:28 -0700
From: "Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

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I agree with Marilyn & disagree with the vote as presented to us, all =
this is obstruction of our ongoing work.

If anyone is sincere enough, then first we should have a series of =
discussions and second the recommended ballot should have first included =
couple well thought alternatives, well thought implementation plan, =
management feasibility study, planned funding plan, action items, =
solutions, management structure & background qualification and so forth =
in order to justify why that any new body will be better than ICANN, =
more qualified or can be up to the global challenges.

Further, the timeline posted is not reasonable at all and seems as bad =
as the vote ballot itself.

Maybe many of you don't agree with ICANN policy or strategy, maybe we =
have grievances, some of us ccTLD managers have problems with ICANN's =
decisions, but no one on the GA so far have even offered a logical ICANN =
alternative or even suggested a qualified body to take on the task from =
ICANN without disturbing our DNS operations.

It is always very easy to blame others and start red herrings to =
obstruct advancements, but it is very hard to recommend and deliver =
suitable alternatives.=20
Best Regards,

Asaad Alnajjar
CEO Millennium Inc.
Executive Director AINC (Arabic Internet Names Consortium)

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA=20
  To: John Palmer ; [email-masked]=20
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

  I disagree with the vote and think this a diversion from doing useful =
work. Marilyn Cade
    -----Original Message-----
    From: John Palmer [mailto:[email-masked]]
    Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:54 PM
    To: [email-masked]
    Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN =
contract

    Ok Tom - thats 9 - Whats the magic number?
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: jefsey=20
      To: [email-masked]=20
      Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:37 PM
      Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN =
contract

      I second all this. I suggest that the icannatlarge.com presents =
this motion to its members and they register on the GA to participate to =
such a vote. May be a good occasion to have the GA list taking overt the =
ALSC list to be closed? This a real occasion if everyone shares in it. =
Like for Plan B.
      jfc

      On 02:14 03/05/02, Joanna Lane said:

        PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PREFERENCE  BELOW.=20

        Mr. James Love, a member in good standing  of the DNSO's General =
Assembly, has made a call for action, specifically stating:

         "I move that the GA poll its members, to record its views on =
whether or not the US Department of Commerce should have an open =
competition for the services now provided by ICANN. The rationale for =
asking for a rebid is that ICANN has dramatically changed the initial =
terms of reference for ICANN, and is proposing even further changes, =
which have met extensive opposition in the Internet community. The rebid =
would allow the NTIA to consider alternatives to the current ICANN plan =
for managing key Internet resources.

        The vote should be taken within 10 days."

        Seconds: John Palmer, Danny Younger.=20

        Members who have indicated their agreement with taking a Vote:-=20

          a.. James Love (Proponent)=20
          b.. John Palmer (Second)=20
          c.. Danny Younger (Second)=20
          d.. Jeanette Hoffman=20
          e.. Joanna Lane=20
          f.. Sotiris Sotiropoulos=20
          g.. Karl Auerbach=20
          h.. .=20
          i.. .=20
        =20
        Members who have indicated their disagreement with taking a =
Vote:-=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>I agree with Marilyn =
&amp;=20
disagree with the vote as presented to us, all this is obstruction =
of&nbsp;our=20
ongoing&nbsp;work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>If anyone is sincere =
enough,=20
then first we should have a series of discussions and second the =
recommended=20
ballot should have first included couple well thought alternatives, well =
thought=20
implementation plan, management feasibility study, planned funding plan, =
action=20
items, solutions, management structure&nbsp;&amp; background =
qualification and=20
so forth in order to justify why that any new body will be better than =
ICANN,=20
more qualified&nbsp;or can be up to the global challenges.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>Further, the =
timeline posted is=20
not reasonable at all and seems as bad as the vote&nbsp;ballot=20
itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>Maybe many of you =
don't agree=20
with ICANN policy or strategy, maybe we have grievances, some of us =
ccTLD=20
managers have problems with ICANN's decisions, but no one on the GA so =
far have=20
even offered a logical&nbsp;ICANN alternative or even suggested a =
qualified body=20
to take on the task from ICANN without disturbing our DNS=20
operations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>It is always very =
easy to blame=20
others and start red herrings to obstruct advancements, but it is very =
hard to=20
recommend and deliver suitable alternatives. </FONT><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3D#800080></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>Best =
Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>Asaad =
Alnajjar</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>CEO Millennium =
Inc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080>Executive Director =
AINC (<A=20
href=3D"http://www.arabicdomainname.org">Arabic Internet Names=20
Consortium</A>)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#800080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #800080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Cade,Marilyn S =
- - LGA</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">John Palmer</A> ; <A title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 02, 2002 =
9:24=20
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [ga] Motion asking =
for GA=20
  poll on rebid of ICANN contract</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D294322304-03052002>I=20
  disagree with the vote and think this a diversion from doing useful =
work.=20
  Marilyn Cade</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John Palmer=20
    [mailto:[email-masked]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:54=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[ga] Motion=20
    asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ok Tom - thats 9 - Whats the magic=20
    number?</FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=[email-masked]=20
      href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jefsey</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
      href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 02, =
2002 10:37=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Motion =
asking for=20
      GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>I second all this. I suggest that the =
icannatlarge.com=20
      presents this motion to its members and they register on the GA to =

      participate to such a vote. May be a good occasion to have the GA =
list=20
      taking overt the ALSC list to be closed? This a real occasion if =
everyone=20
      shares in it. Like for Plan B.<BR>jfc<BR><BR>On 02:14 03/05/02, =
Joanna=20
      Lane said:<BR><BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><FONT =
size=3D2>PLEASE INDICATE=20
        YOUR PREFERENCE&nbsp; BELOW. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>Mr. =
James Love,=20
        a member in good standing&nbsp; of the DNSO's General Assembly, =
has made=20
        a call for action, specifically stating:<BR></FONT><BR><FONT=20
        size=3D2>&nbsp;<B>"I move that the GA poll its members, to =
record its=20
        views on whether or not the US Department of Commerce should =
have an=20
        open competition for the services now provided by ICANN. The =
rationale=20
        for asking for a rebid is that ICANN has dramatically changed =
the=20
        initial terms of reference for ICANN, and is proposing even =
further=20
        changes, which have met extensive opposition in the Internet =
community.=20
        The rebid would allow the NTIA to consider alternatives to the =
current=20
        ICANN plan for managing key Internet =
resources.<BR></B><BR><B>The vote=20
        should be taken within 10 days."<BR></B></FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Seconds:=20
        John Palmer, Danny Younger. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2><U>Members who=20
        have indicated their <B>agreement with taking a Vote</B>:-</U>=20
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          <LI>Sotiris Sotiropoulos</FONT> <FONT size=3D2>
          <LI>Karl Auerbach</FONT> <FONT size=3D2>
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          <LI>.</FONT> </LI></OL>&nbsp;<BR><FONT size=3D2><U>Members who =
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:33:10 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Elisabeth Porteneuve <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

Jamie,

Was ICANN put in place by the sole action of the US DoC ?

Elisabeth Porteneuve
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"James Love" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:29:43 -0400
>
> "I move that the GA poll its members, to record its views on whether or not
> the US Department of Commerce should have an open competition for the
> services now provided by ICANN.  The rationale for asking for a rebid is
> that ICANN has dramatically changed the intitial terms of refence for ICANN,
> and is proposing even further changes, which have met extensive opposition
> in the Internet community.   The rebid would allow the NTIA to consider
> alternatives to the current ICANN plan for managing key Internet resources.
> The vote should be taken within 10 days."
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 00:41:03 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Motion asking for GA poll on rebid of ICANN contract

You are clearly blocking this because of a desire to win graces in ICANN.
You at least meet the transparency requirement.
e

William X Walsh wrote:

> Sorry, Joanna, but an issue of this importance requires much more than
> 2 weeks worth of consideration.
>
> Thursday, May 02, 2002, 6:11:34 PM, Joanna Lane wrote:
>
> > Proposed Time Line.
> > The following table sets out what is believed to be a reasonable guideline
> > as to the timing of the various events that need to take place in order  for
> > the whole Assembly to vote on this issue  within a 10 day period . What
> > follows are not strict "rules" but rather a rough sketch of the rates at
> > which Members could expect things to happen. That is, the "duration" is not
> > carved in stone, but rather what one should expect to see, all other things
> > being equal.  Given the requirement for a Vote to take place  within  10
> > days, more than one process must take place at once, hence this table
> > provides deadlines for each of the concurrent processes.
>
> >  Action                                    Duration
> > Commencing                Closing
> > Recognition of Proposal                                            Thursday
> > May 2nd
> > Poll                                         3 days
> > Friday May 2nd        Sunday May 5th
> > General Discussion                3 days                          Friday May
> > 2nd        Sunday May 5th
> > Debate on wording of Motion 3 days                         Friday May 3rd
> > Sunday May 5th
> > Recognition of Motion *           24 hours                        Monday May
> > 6th
> > Vote of the Assembly             5 days                            Tuesday
> > May 7th        Saturday May 11th
> > Final Report                          24 hours                        Sunday
> > May 12th
>
> > * This assumes the the form of wording is agreeable without the need for a
> > further Poll,
> > and that the DNSO Secretariat needs no more than 24 hours notice to send
> > Ballots to the Assembly.
>
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