Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1098
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GA-DIGEST           Friday, March 22 2002           Volume 01 : Number 1098

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:45:46 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Successor agency. (was: Substance over rhetoric )

At 14:20 21/03/02 +0100, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>On 03:14 21/03/02, Joop Teernstra said:
>>
>>Do you have any illusion that brute financial and lobbying power is not 
>>going to define the structures of a successor agency?
>
>No. This is why we have to structure a consensus where that is 
>structurally *prevented*.

I see a contradiction between the words consensus (fuzzy) and structure 
(rigid).

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:09:50 +0100 (CET)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Registrar Domain Hoarding? (update)

Nearly 2 months ago, I sent the message below about a domain that expired
long ago, but was still in the "Unpaid Names Dept" of Register.COM. In the
mean time I've contacted Register.COM, who was hoarding the domain name
number9.org, and was able to register it throught them. (See their Whois
since March 21 I am the registrant.)

So if you want an unpaid name of Register.COM contact them. All it took
me, was an email, to which they replied to call them, which I did. Now
this is not proper procedure, I know. In fact it stinks. But isn't proper
procedure very much out of favour in ICANN since shortly before Accra?

I am sorry. Sarcastic mood tonight.

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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:10:17 +0100 (CET)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Registrar Domain Hoarding?

What should I think of the data below? When is this domain going to be
released? This century?

[email-masked]

[...]
   Domain Name: NUMBER9.ORG
   Registrar: REGISTER.COM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.register.com
   Referral URL: http://www.register.com
   Name Server: DNS7.REGISTER.COM
   Name Server: DNS8.REGISTER.COM
   Updated Date: 04-jan-2002

>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:15:20 EST <<<

[...]

You may be able to buy this domain name through http://www.afternic.com/offer

   Organization:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Registrar Name....: Register.com
   Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
   Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

   Domain Name: NUMBER9.ORG

      Created on..............: Mon, Feb 21, 2000
      Expires on..............: Wed, Feb 21, 2001
      Record last updated on..: Sat, Jan 05, 2002

   Administrative Contact:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Technical Contact:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Zone Contact:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Domain servers in listed order:

   DNS7.REGISTER.COM                                 216.21.234.74
   DNS8.REGISTER.COM                                 209.67.50.34

Register your domain name at http://www.register.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:39:21 -0500
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] RE: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN: already two consensuses: still three more needed

Jefsey,
You are asking for an agreement to agree. Any attorney will tell you that's
not possible. If you want an agreement, you have to work out the details,
otherwise nobody knows what they're agreeing. Sorry.

Regards,
Joann

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From: [email-masked]
[mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Micheal Sherrill
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:48 PM
To: [email-masked]; Jefsey Morfin
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; Karl Auerbach
[email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked];
[email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked];
[email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked];
[email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked];
[email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]; esther
Dyson; Mike Roberts; Peter de Blanc; [email-masked]; Andy Duff;
[email-masked]; vint cerf; Bruce Young; David Farber; Charles Shaban;
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN: already two consensuses: still three
more needed

This is a consensus with which I would abide.  We have to start somewhere as
long as it does not parallel the abyss that was dug by ICANN.  We must learn
from ICANN (at least what not to do) and go forward.  Start here, start now.
And pay maximum attention to all those we appoint as our representatives.
Leave nothing to chance.  Without this resolve we have only ourselves to
blame if we let it happen again.

Regards,

Micheal Sherrill

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From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Date:  Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:46:57 +0100

Vint Cerf: Jefsey, Talleyrand was right - when things are complex and
tense, it is the time to
move carefully.

Alejandro: Jefsey, let me enter this fray. I take what seems to me your
main point serious, well-thought position papers that address the issues
and make concrete, workable, integral proposals. Try to avoid half-baked
ideas and generalized lamentations about the present situation or about the
past. That is what we need. Concentrate the efforts on them.

Charles Shaban: Dear Jefsey and IPC members, I have to disagree with you, I
think ICANN mission is more than the IANA, IANA functions is only parts of
the ICANN functions. But you are correct that ICANN should define its
functions from the beginning and stick to them. (Charles: I agree with you.
It depends on what you name ICANN).

David Harnand: Alejandro and others, We at New.net absolutely agree with
you that what is needed are "concrete, workable, integral proposals" to
solve the current problems with DNS governance.

Bruce Young: Jefsey, If I assume your intent here is to work on separate
point papers outside of
the At Large proper, I have no problem with that. In fact I for one welcome
as many parallel efforts as possible, as long as they don't overshadow or
attempt to replace our At Large efforts.

Dear all,
from this I see that we need five consensuses and that we already have got
two of them. I suggest we proceed in order.

1. first consensus (thanks to Lynn): we all agree now that the present
ICANN cannot fulfill its missions, whatever they are.

2. second consensus: we all agree that the propositions of Lynn are not
workable as such and that we need to work on them.

3. third (needed) consensus: we need to agree on our target. I propose it
is "a consensus on the ICANN missions and organization". With the two
consensuses above anything below that (even a BoD vote on a BoD committee
proposition) will not be accepted in real life. The key is "consensus" not
the proposition in itself.

4. forth (needed) consensus: we need to agree on a consensus among who and
how. We need a lasting consensus, so we need *every* positions to be
associated to it.

It has to be an Internet Community Pact.

This is why I suggest three things.

- - a clean sheet, step by step approach. We know everyone's agenda and
feuds, no need to repeat. What we want is to find solutions which satisfy
*every* of us. If we fail, there will be no ICANN anymore as "we are the
ICANN" as Mike Roberts truly said.

- - to call on the largest basis of serious and professional people. In
protecting ourselves against any capture and disrupters. I therefore called
on Vint as a Chair and to all the currently identified stakeholders through
any existing gouvernance oriented list. It is NOT to select lists/positions
but to be sure people have shown they are concerned and who they physically
are. At lowest cost.

- - to use a working method which can lead to a consensus even if only one
single person has initially hat the final proposition. This method consists
in a site where every positions can be linked and polled upon. This is the
only way to build, confront and reduce into a single consensus serious yet
opposed propositions. Polls are to help (as are the debates) but are *no*
votes. What is important is the change in the polls. These changes will
help progressive, step by step debates and agreements. The real "votes" are
by the position writers: in writing eventually a common document. There
must be no loser. This has to be a win/win situation for all.

5. ultimate (needed) consensus: what are the ICANN mission, organization
and operations. And how to implement it as a consensus.

We therefore need three consensus more. A consensus is to discover what we
*already* agree upon, should some conditions be met. Once the consensus is
uncovered, the decisions are about how to meet that conditions. So please
let proceed step by step.

1. consensus number three (now): do we agree that to reach a stable
situation we need a global consensus involving  all the stake holding
positions? That it has to be worked out in a consensual manner? that such a
consensus will be a part of the solution?

2. consensus number four (after three is uncovered): do we agree that we
want to work in an orderly and professional manner? step by step from clean
sheet? with the largest number at hand of genuinely concerned even if
opposing people, while preventing any risk of capture and of disruption?
using a method permitting the clear presentation of the different positions
and their reduction into a common agreement? that such an agreement will
most probably depend on actions we will have to discuss, to agree upon and
to undertake? and not to be at anyone's expense?

3. Ultimate consensus (not to be discussed now): I do believe it does exist
(otherwise why to give it a try). I could document my vision, as others
could also do with their own today vision. We "just" have to adjust our
visions.

I think it can bring a far greater stability and security for all of us, at
a drastically reduced cost, with a much broader scope of concerns than
"mission creep" and a much larger involvement of absentees, in fostering
innovation and in respecting cultures and national interests while
permitting large and small operators and entrepreneurs to develop. It will
also permit very large steps ahead in term of network architecture, social
acceptance and economy development.

This is when we are in the dark that we have to hope for the light. IMO, in
this case it is not to hope, just to work it out. But since we only are
human, it may be complex!

Jefsey

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:15:39 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Cerf-Farber Dialogue

At a session at the University of Pennsylvania today, Vint Cerf and Prof. 
Farber exchanged thoughts on the origins of the Internet and speculated as to 
its future.  The first question from the audience referenced the recent 
position paper put forth by PFIR http://www.pfir.org/statements/icann  which 
deemed ICANN to be "a failed experiment in Internet policy development, 
implementation, and management."  

In reply to the question, Prof. Farber commented that the best plan for ICANN 
would be to "put it into receivership", to which Mr. Cerf replied "I think 
that would be a mistake."   That was the full extent of the discussion on 
this issue.  It appears that both speakers had agreed not to dwell on this 
topic.

In private conversations following the session, I found both Vint and Dave 
Farber to be genuinely open to ongoing discussions.  Neither appeared to have 
adopted an implacable stance.  

In my humble opinion, there still remain opportunities for us to present 
options to the Board which will allow for both enhanced participation and 
representation.  I came away from this session with the belief that the Board 
is not yet "wedded" to the Lynn plan, and is truly amenable to considering 
other formulations (as long as they comprehensively address all the problems 
enumerated by Mr. Lynn).

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:36:28 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Email Address requested

Stuart,

Board resolution 02.24 called for the Committee on ICANN Evolution and Reform 
to establish an email address by which members of the Community could 
correspond with the Committee.  

Please advise the email address for the Committee.

Thank you,
Danny Younger
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:52:40 +0100
From: "DNSO Secretariat" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure

[To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]]
[To: [email-masked]]

The DNSO Secretariat technical staff apologizes for the failure in MP3
recording of the 22nd March Names Council conference.
This failure was due to an electricity breakdown in the call room just
followed by a phone breakdown.
We will take care that this does not happen again in the future.

Regards,

DNSO Secretariat technical staff.

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:17:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Email Address requested

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 [email-masked] wrote:

> Stuart,
>
> Board resolution 02.24 called for the Committee on ICANN Evolution and Reform
> to establish an email address by which members of the Community could
> correspond with the Committee.
>
> Please advise the email address for the Committee.

That's easy Danny: /dev/null

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
                               Patrick Greenwell
         Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:54:30 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] what IF

Just a question to those who really know...
What if the ICANN closed shop?
Could someone(s) provide a fair timing of what would happen and when?
when / who would notice?
jfc

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:56:39 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Is there a third consensus ?

I asked yesterday if everyone agreed (consensus) that the resolution of the 
situation created by:

- - our consensus that Lynn's evaluation of the inability of the ICANN to 
currentrly fullfil its mission is correct

- - our consensus that Lynn's propositions are inadequate

can only result from a consensus of the Internet Community and needs it to 
succeed.

None has objected yet. Please speak-up now if you object. You will kill the 
ICANN but you will save our time.

I will repeat that request until tomorrow. If none seriously object I will 
consider there is a consensus on that need.

I will then ask if there is a consensus on a working method to reach such a 
consensus. I will also dedicate a site and some time to the organization of 
that method which has to be very very light and simple and respect but 
present the work carried by committees.

Otherwise I will dedicate that time to the building of a community 
alternative solution to the ICANN. IMHO we still are in a position to save 
the ICANN, but there are enough forces on the move for the window to close 
this WE.
Jefsey

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:57:35 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure

Friday, Friday, March 22, 2002, 8:52:40 AM, DNSO Secretariat wrote:

> [To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]]
> [To: [email-masked]]

> The DNSO Secretariat technical staff apologizes for the failure in MP3
> recording of the 22nd March Names Council conference.
> This failure was due to an electricity breakdown in the call room just
> followed by a phone breakdown.
> We will take care that this does not happen again in the future.

If you want to stream it live next time.....let me know.

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:53:53 -0500
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure

I think 'heinous' is a better characterization.  I suppose
there is no record of the conference whatsoever?  Not even
scribe notes?  So, we'll just have to accept that none of
us can be privy to the matters taken under conference
during said session?

What a load!    

eric wrote:
> 
> This is hilarious!
> e
> 
> DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> 
> > [To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]]
> > [To: [email-masked]]
> >
> > The DNSO Secretariat technical staff apologizes for the failure in MP3
> > recording of the 22nd March Names Council conference.
> > This failure was due to an electricity breakdown in the call room just
> > followed by a phone breakdown.
> > We will take care that this does not happen again in the future.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > DNSO Secretariat technical staff.
> >
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:58:14 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Minutes of the Intellectual Property Constituency

http://ipc.songbird.com/IPCminutesmarch12002.html

Excerpt:  The IPCC spent considerable time discussing the recently released 
ICANN restructuring plan, which was authored by ICANN President Stuart Lynn. 

Jonathan Cohen, the IPC representative from FICPI and a member of the ICANN 
Board of Directors, joined the meeting via telephone at 2:30 pm (London time) 
to offer his views on the proposal. Mr. Cohen reported that he supports the 
proposal in principle and that there is broad support for the proposal on the 
Board. He added that it was his firm belief that ICANN cannot complete its 
mission under the present structure. Mr. Cohen also noted the following:

Governments have always been involved in ICANN, whether it is through the GAC 
or the MoU with the USG. 
The ccTLD situation has become highly politicized and ICANN is not equipped 
to handle this. 
The chances of ensuring appropriate representation of intellectual property 
interests are much higher under this plan. 
The At-Large will not work and ICANN does not have the resources to make it 
so. 
Some current Board members will stay on to oversee the implementation of the 
new structure. 
The new structure will likely take one year to implement. 
Movement on the plan will likely be sooner, rather than later. 
The U.S. DoC was not consulted on the fine details of the plan. 
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:14:49 -0500
From: "J. Scott Evans" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"

Gentlemen:

I believe notes were indeed taken.  Please be assured that nothing nefarious
took place.  If either of you would like to know what took place, I would
suggest you contact the NC Chair or the NC Secretariat and request a copy of
the minutes rather than posting public comments insinuating a conspiracy for
which you simply have no proof.  In the alternative, you are welcome to
phone me and I will do my best to relay my recollection of today's call.

J. Scott Evans
IPC NC Representative

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>; "DNSO Secretariat" <[email-masked]>; "Stuart
Lynn" <[email-masked]>; "icann board address" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"

> Sotiris and all assembly members,
>
>   Yes Sotiris, you summed it up rather nicely and honestly.
> "What a load".  Precisely!  I just wonder how high that load
> is going to get!  I will see whet Guinness Book of World records
> is on "Stacks/piles of LOAD" is!  ROFLAMO!
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> > I think 'heinous' is a better characterization.  I suppose
> > there is no record of the conference whatsoever?  Not even
> > scribe notes?  So, we'll just have to accept that none of
> > us can be privy to the matters taken under conference
> > during said session?
> >
> > What a load!
> >
> > eric wrote:
> > >
> > > This is hilarious!
> > > e
> > >
> > > DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> > >
> > > > [To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]]
> > > > [To: [email-masked]]
> > > >
> > > > The DNSO Secretariat technical staff apologizes for the failure in
MP3
> > > > recording of the 22nd March Names Council conference.
> > > > This failure was due to an electricity breakdown in the call room
just
> > > > followed by a phone breakdown.
> > > > We will take care that this does not happen again in the future.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > DNSO Secretariat technical staff.
> > > >
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:53:11 -0600
From: "Neuman, Jeff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"

Let me fully support J Scott's comments.  I would also be happy to provide
my input as I was one of the gTLD representatives on the call.  In addition,
from the GA, Thomas was able to attend at least part of the meeting before
he had to get on a train.  I am sure he would also help explain what went
on.

Jeff Neuman, 
Chair, gTLD constituency

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From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:15 PM
To: Jeff Williams; Sotiris Sotiropoulos
Cc: [email-masked]; DNSO Secretariat; Stuart Lynn; icann board address
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"

Gentlemen:

I believe notes were indeed taken.  Please be assured that nothing nefarious
took place.  If either of you would like to know what took place, I would
suggest you contact the NC Chair or the NC Secretariat and request a copy of
the minutes rather than posting public comments insinuating a conspiracy for
which you simply have no proof.  In the alternative, you are welcome to
phone me and I will do my best to relay my recollection of today's call.

J. Scott Evans
IPC NC Representative

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From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>; "DNSO Secretariat" <[email-masked]>; "Stuart
Lynn" <[email-masked]>; "icann board address" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"

> Sotiris and all assembly members,
>
>   Yes Sotiris, you summed it up rather nicely and honestly.
> "What a load".  Precisely!  I just wonder how high that load
> is going to get!  I will see whet Guinness Book of World records
> is on "Stacks/piles of LOAD" is!  ROFLAMO!
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> > I think 'heinous' is a better characterization.  I suppose
> > there is no record of the conference whatsoever?  Not even
> > scribe notes?  So, we'll just have to accept that none of
> > us can be privy to the matters taken under conference
> > during said session?
> >
> > What a load!
> >
> > eric wrote:
> > >
> > > This is hilarious!
> > > e
> > >
> > > DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> > >
> > > > [To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]]
> > > > [To: [email-masked]]
> > > >
> > > > The DNSO Secretariat technical staff apologizes for the failure in
MP3
> > > > recording of the 22nd March Names Council conference.
> > > > This failure was due to an electricity breakdown in the call room
just
> > > > followed by a phone breakdown.
> > > > We will take care that this does not happen again in the future.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > DNSO Secretariat technical staff.
> > > >
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:23:13 -0500
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"

Mr. Evans,

The call should have been re-scheduled then.  Without a
record of the deliberations the process is anything but
open and transparent.  As for insinuating a conspiracy...
it's pretty obvious to most of us (Individuals) that there
is a cabal within ICANN.  Of course, as the IPC rep your
interests are being served, so I wouldn't expect you to
say anything different.  Frankly, you are paid to present
"your" viewpoints in these fora (viewpoints which are
actually those of your clients), so I wouldn't take your
word on these matters.  It's not personal, just pragmatic,
so don't bother to feign offense for our sake.

"J. Scott Evans" wrote:
> 
> Gentlemen:
> 
> I believe notes were indeed taken.  Please be assured that nothing nefarious
> took place.  If either of you would like to know what took place, I would
> suggest you contact the NC Chair or the NC Secretariat and request a copy of
> the minutes rather than posting public comments insinuating a conspiracy for
> which you simply have no proof.  In the alternative, you are welcome to
> phone me and I will do my best to relay my recollection of today's call.
> 
> J. Scott Evans
> IPC NC Representative
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: <[email-masked]>; "DNSO Secretariat" <[email-masked]>; "Stuart
> Lynn" <[email-masked]>; "icann board address" <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"
> 
> > Sotiris and all assembly members,
> >
> >   Yes Sotiris, you summed it up rather nicely and honestly.
> > "What a load".  Precisely!  I just wonder how high that load
> > is going to get!  I will see whet Guinness Book of World records
> > is on "Stacks/piles of LOAD" is!  ROFLAMO!
> >
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> >
> > > I think 'heinous' is a better characterization.  I suppose
> > > there is no record of the conference whatsoever?  Not even
> > > scribe notes?  So, we'll just have to accept that none of
> > > us can be privy to the matters taken under conference
> > > during said session?
> > >
> > > What a load!
> > >
> > > eric wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is hilarious!
> > > > e
> > > >
> > > > DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > [To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]]
> > > > > [To: [email-masked]]
> > > > >
> > > > > The DNSO Secretariat technical staff apologizes for the failure in
> MP3
> > > > > recording of the 22nd March Names Council conference.
> > > > > This failure was due to an electricity breakdown in the call room
> just
> > > > > followed by a phone breakdown.
> > > > > We will take care that this does not happen again in the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > DNSO Secretariat technical staff.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > >
> > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > >         Hermes Network Inc.
> > >         Toronto, Canada
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> > Regards,
> >
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> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail [email-masked]
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> >
> >
> >

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	Toronto, Canada

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