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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:33:58 -0000
From: "Abel Wisman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.

Instead of nagging non-english natives about their possible misspellings at
times, which at least is more rare then then average native english speaker
writing words in a foreign language, is it my opinion that a big and i mean
really BIG thank you is sent to those doing all this work.

In particular Alex, who could've reasoned it was ICANN's task, but instead
simply does the job and Thomas, who spends a lot of hours on it as well.

I think they are a perfect example for the rest when it comes to
constructive work.

abel

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Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.

> Thomas and all assembly members,
>
> Thomas Roessler wrote:
>
> > Alexander is once again real-time scribing hte conversations in
> > Accra.  If you want a life feed, go to IRC channel #icann on
> > irc.dal.net.  An archive of the notes is available at
> > <http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html>.
>
>   I think you mean LIVE feed, not life feed.
> Unless they are serving food during this session or there
> is a life support system being used on someone there!
>
>  I wonder why these logs and scribe notes are not being handled
> by the ICANN staff?  Are they deficient in their duties or do they
> suffer from some insufficiencies?  Shouldn't the ICANN staff
> be able to provide for this and their own remote participation
> capability?  Is not doing so a reflection or a preview of
> more coming "Attractions" with respect to lack of technical
> ability?
>
>
>
> >
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:44:16 -0600
From: "John Palmer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Good.

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:50:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan Weinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Abel Wisman wrote:
> Instead of nagging non-english natives about their possible misspellings at
> times, which at least is more rare then then average native english speaker
> writing words in a foreign language, is it my opinion that a big and i mean
> really BIG thank you is sent to those doing all this work.
> In particular Alex, who could've reasoned it was ICANN's task, but instead
> simply does the job and Thomas, who spends a lot of hours on it as well.
> I think they are a perfect example for the rest when it comes to
> constructive work.

	Thomas and Alexander have both, without hesitation, taken on a
tremendous amount of work that they could easily have ducked.  The recent
meeting is a great example.  They've been serious, hard-headed, and
hard-working.  All the more because I've not been participating very
actively in the GA myself this year, I want to echo Abel's thank-you.

Jon

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:43:20 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Structure: ToRs and Deadlines.

On 2002-03-14 11:50:34 -0500, Jonathan Weinberg wrote:

>Thomas and Alexander have both, without hesitation, taken on a 
>tremendous amount of work that they could easily have ducked.

Almost all of the credits and thanks from this GA (and all the 
credits and thanks I have to offer) should really go to Alexander. 
He's the one who took the yellow fever vaccination and represented 
the GA during the Accra meetings.  He did a great and very 
impressive job at that.

Anyway, I believe that this is actually not the time for any kind of 
celebrations.

The Evolution and Reform Committee under Alejandro Pisanty which has 
been chartered today is going to publish its proposals no later than 
May 31.  The deadline for a DNSO response is May 15.

Philip Sheppard has already posted a very first draft for the terms 
of reference for the names council's work on a response to the Lynn 
proposal, which you may wish to have a look at and comment on ASAP, 
since these ToRs will also partially determine what the GA should 
work on in the six weeks ahead.  I'm going to relay a summary of 
comments received to the NC list.

For the draft ToRs, see 
<http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc09/msg00266.html>.  The 
names council is going to vote on these during its March 22 
telephone conference, according to current planning.

Also, please bookmark <http://does-not-exist.org/ga-structure/>, and 
have an occasional look at that site.

Finally, if I understand Alexander's notes correctly (I didn't 
listen to the webcast at that point of time), the DNSO may also have 
to meet a two-week deadline (i.e., Easter holidays) concerning the 
Redemption Grace Period. This will most likely be clarified when the 
verbatim minutes are posted by ICANN.

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:22:49 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Prelim. Report from Accra

All assembly members,

  The following is a preliminary report from Accra
see: http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-report-14mar02.htm
also see from Karl A.
http://www.cavebear.com/tmp/resolutions1.pdf
http://www.cavebear.com/tmp/resolutions2.pdf

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:35:38 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.

Abel and all assembly members,

  I think you in part misunderstood my previous posts meaning.
Yes indeed Alex and Thomas on covering the Accra meeting
have done a very good job.  My point was that the ICANN
staff is supposed to do that job, not Alex or Thomas.

  As to correcting Thomas's spelling, that has been a long
term periodic practice on this forum for some time.  It
was meant by me as to be helpful to Thomas because
he is not a native english speaker...

  I hope that makes my previous post more clear?  >;)

Abel Wisman wrote:

> Instead of nagging non-english natives about their possible misspellings at
> times, which at least is more rare then then average native english speaker
> writing words in a foreign language, is it my opinion that a big and i mean
> really BIG thank you is sent to those doing all this work.
>
> In particular Alex, who could've reasoned it was ICANN's task, but instead
> simply does the job and Thomas, who spends a lot of hours on it as well.
>
> I think they are a perfect example for the rest when it comes to
> constructive work.
>
> abel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Thomas Roessler" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.
>
> > Thomas and all assembly members,
> >
> > Thomas Roessler wrote:
> >
> > > Alexander is once again real-time scribing hte conversations in
> > > Accra.  If you want a life feed, go to IRC channel #icann on
> > > irc.dal.net.  An archive of the notes is available at
> > > <http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html>.
> >
> >   I think you mean LIVE feed, not life feed.
> > Unless they are serving food during this session or there
> > is a life support system being used on someone there!
> >
> >  I wonder why these logs and scribe notes are not being handled
> > by the ICANN staff?  Are they deficient in their duties or do they
> > suffer from some insufficiencies?  Shouldn't the ICANN staff
> > be able to provide for this and their own remote participation
> > capability?  Is not doing so a reflection or a preview of
> > more coming "Attractions" with respect to lack of technical
> > ability?
> >
> >
> >
> > >
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:02:34 -0600
From: "John Palmer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Questions that Congress should ask ICANN at the upcoming hearings.

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Questions that Congress should ask ICANN in the upcoming hearings.

1. How can the Lynn proposal be accepted without violating the MOU's =
mandate to allow meaningful participation by the At-Large community =
(meaningful means we have a SAY in policy). =20

2. Why has ICANN not provided for elections for At-Large board seats =
this year?

3. There are several thousand operational TLDs out there in the =
Inclusive Namespace that have been operating for years. They are beyond =
proof-of-concept. They operate real registries and have been doing so =
for years. What won't you recommend their addition to the USG root?

4. Please explain how you justified selecting .BIZ as one of the seven =
new TLDs when this TLD was already in use by AtlanticRoot. Please =
explain how this is not a violation of the MOU provision that states =
that no action on the part of ICANN will harm any person or =
organization.=20

5. One of the major, MAJOR requirements is that ICANN support and =
maintain the stability of the internet. Selecting a colliding TLD is =
about the most=20
de-stabilizing thing that anyone can do. How do you explain your =
decision?

6. In fact, isn't the REAL reason you chose .BIZ was because you wanted =
any ISPs that had switched to Inclusive Namespace roots to have to make =
a
tough decision because of customer complaints about not being able to =
access "real" .BIZ addresses. In fact, wansn't this just a scheme to =
crush
the competition?

7. Isn't ICANN really a monopoly that is protecting the narrow business =
interests of a few companies and organization who have packed the Board =
in an=20
undemocratic capture that violates the ICANN bylaws and the MOU with the =
US Government?

8. In light of all of ICANN's transgressions, can you give a good reason =
why we (USG) should not retain control over the roots? Can you give us a =
reason why
we shouldn't terminate the MOU with ICANN and look to form a successor =
organization that will honor the contract that they made with us?

Thats for starters. Others, please have at it.

John

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operational TLDs out=20
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doing so for=20
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states that=20
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chose .BIZ=20
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roots=20
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complaints about=20
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is protecting=20
the narrow business interests of a few companies and organization who =
have=20
packed the Board in an </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>undemocratic capture that violates the =
ICANN bylaws=20
and the MOU with the US Government?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>8. In light of all of ICANN's =
transgressions, can=20
you give a good reason why we (USG) should not retain control over the =
roots?=20
Can you give us a reason why</FONT></DIV>
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ICANN and look=20
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made=20
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:08:51 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Polytec's cronological history on ICANN (Not quite up to date)

All assembly members,

  polytechbot.com's not quite up to date history on ICANN.
See: http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=icann

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:08:28 +0000
From: Alexander Svensson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Structure: ToRs and Deadlines.

Dear GA,

I also urge everyone to look at Thomas' helpful collection 
of documents at http://does-not-exist.org/ga-structure/
and the proposed terms of reference posted by Philip
Sheppard on the Names Council list:

>Proposed terms of reference for DNSO response to the paper “Case for Reform”
>
>Final output
>A report listing:
>- Common points of agreement
>- Individual Constituency opinion (where it differs).
>- Consensus input from GA
>Deadline May 14.
>
>Frame work
>- Functions of ICANN, guiding principles of those functions.
>- Structure the report by subject area (see below)
>- Response to Lynn analysis and proposed solution
>- Alternative solutions
>
>
>Subject areas
>1. Funding
>- proposal for some government funding
>- proposal to continue with present funding model
>
>2. Advisory bodies
>- change from a binding consensus process to advisory stakeholder consultation
>- change of 3 Supporting Organisations to 3 Policy Councils
>- merger of ASO/PSO
>- separation of ccTLD and gTLD bodies
>- proposed advisory committees (technical, government)
>- proposed standing committees (security, root server operation)
>
>3. Composition of managing body of the advisory bodies
>- change of 21 member Names Council to 6+5 Steering Committee of new gTLD Policy Council
>- change for other SOs
>- role of nomination committee
>
>4. Stakeholder participation
>- change of elected reps on NC from constituencies, to Forums with appointed representation
>- idea of additional self-appointed discussion Forums
>
>5. Board composition
>- increase/change in ability of new Board to make policy
>- inclusion of chairs of advisory bodies
>- inclusion of government nominees as surrogate for at-large
>- change of size of board/trustees
>- role of nominating committee.
>
>6. Transparency
>- ombudsman
>- public participation manager

At 14.03.2002 18:43, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>Almost all of the credits and thanks from this GA (and all the credits and thanks I have to offer) should really go to Alexander. He's the one who took the yellow fever vaccination and represented the GA during the Accra meetings.  He did a great and very impressive job at that.

Actually, it was just Polio and Hepatitis twice. ;) For help for 
and at the GA meeting, I owe thanks to a number of people -- Kevin 
Hurley and Krystal Sewell from Salzburg Seminar/Markle Foundation 
for travel support and Adam Peake for local organizing; Marilyn Cade 
for joint coordination of the Deletes/WLS session; the panel 
participants Ross Rader, Chuck Gomes, Dan Halloran, Louis Touton, 
Esther Dyson, Pindar Wong, Alan Davidson, Jeanette Hofmann and Hans 
Klein; of course Thomas for the usual excellent cooperation and for
setting up the IRC-to-web scribe system; Glen de Saint Gery 
from DNSO Secretariat, John Crain from ICANN and to the local 
organizers. Thank /you/! 

>[...]
>Finally, if I understand Alexander's notes correctly (I didn't listen to the webcast at that point of time), the DNSO may also have to meet a two-week deadline (i.e., Easter holidays) concerning the Redemption Grace Period. This will most likely be clarified when the verbatim minutes are posted by ICANN.

Yes, that's correct. If the DNSO is to surprise ICANN with any
input for the technical steering group for the redemption grace 
period, it has got fourteen days.

Best -- and rather exhausted -- regards from Accra,
/// Alexander

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:28:33 -0600
From: "John Palmer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Questions that Congress should ask ICANN at the upcoming hearings.

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Subject: Re: [ga] Questions that Congress should ask ICANN at the upcoming
hearings.

> What upcoming hearings. Got a link or other source?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Semich
>
> At 03:02 PM 3/14/2002, you wrote:
> >Questions that Congress should ask ICANN in the upcoming hearings.
>
> Bill Semich
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:03:33 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.

I must say that Alexander and Thomas are an oustanding team for the GA. Bravo!
I had some misunderstandings with Thomas so he will know that this apraisal 
comes from the hart and from real respect. Well done and thank you. Jefsey

On 17:33 14/03/02, Abel Wisman said:
>Instead of nagging non-english natives about their possible misspellings at
>times, which at least is more rare then then average native english speaker
>writing words in a foreign language, is it my opinion that a big and i mean
>really BIG thank you is sent to those doing all this work.
>
>In particular Alex, who could've reasoned it was ICANN's task, but instead
>simply does the job and Thomas, who spends a lot of hours on it as well.
>
>I think they are a perfect example for the rest when it comes to
>constructive work.
>
>abel
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
>To: "Thomas Roessler" <[email-masked]>
>Cc: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.
>
>
> > Thomas and all assembly members,
> >
> > Thomas Roessler wrote:
> >
> > > Alexander is once again real-time scribing hte conversations in
> > > Accra.  If you want a life feed, go to IRC channel #icann on
> > > irc.dal.net.  An archive of the notes is available at
> > > <http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html>.
> >
> >   I think you mean LIVE feed, not life feed.
> > Unless they are serving food during this session or there
> > is a life support system being used on someone there!
> >
> >  I wonder why these logs and scribe notes are not being handled
> > by the ICANN staff?  Are they deficient in their duties or do they
> > suffer from some insufficiencies?  Shouldn't the ICANN staff
> > be able to provide for this and their own remote participation
> > capability?  Is not doing so a reflection or a preview of
> > more coming "Attractions" with respect to lack of technical
> > ability?
> >
> >
> >
> > >
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:10:39 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.

At 16:33 14/03/02 +0000, Abel Wisman wrote:
>Instead of nagging non-english natives about their possible misspellings at
>times, which at least is more rare then then average native english speaker
>writing words in a foreign language, is it my opinion that a big and i mean
>really BIG thank you is sent to those doing all this work.
>
>In particular Alex, who could've reasoned it was ICANN's task, but instead
>simply does the job and Thomas, who spends a lot of hours on it as well.
>
>I think they are a perfect example for the rest when it comes to
>constructive work.

Absolutely. Is overly clear who are the whiners and who are the workers.

- --Joop

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:31:51 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] which battlefield?

Dear all,			
don't you believe the ICANN has mislead us into a lot of false problems, 
delaying the development of the Internet?

If you agree with this, I would suggest you do not to try to focus on 
reforms (others will do that very well too). Better you to focus on the 
after ICANN, with a vision which may benefit to all.

Most of the people having to decide about the fate of the ICANN are not 
interested in details, but in simple questions and responses. Will we keep 
it or not. If yes, what reforms. If not what replacement. So the reforms 
are only 25% of the debate and not the most important part.

Lynn's management by surprise consists in choosing his battle fields. At 
Senate hearings - as at the GAC - he was/will be imposed the battlefield. 
We are better to be trained for the proper ones than to be muddled in the 
wrong ones.

jfc

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:51:08 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] which battlefield?

Jefsey,

Your belief that if ICANN is just ignored it will go away or somehow
fall is just plain unrealistic.

If that is what you truly believe, then why are you still here?

Thursday, Thursday, March 14, 2002, 5:31:51 PM, Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dear all,                       
> don't you believe the ICANN has mislead us into a lot of false problems, 
> delaying the development of the Internet?

> If you agree with this, I would suggest you do not to try to focus on 
> reforms (others will do that very well too). Better you to focus on the 
> after ICANN, with a vision which may benefit to all.

> Most of the people having to decide about the fate of the ICANN are not 
> interested in details, but in simple questions and responses. Will we keep 
> it or not. If yes, what reforms. If not what replacement. So the reforms 
> are only 25% of the debate and not the most important part.

> Lynn's management by surprise consists in choosing his battle fields. At 
> Senate hearings - as at the GAC - he was/will be imposed the battlefield. 
> We are better to be trained for the proper ones than to be muddled in the 
> wrong ones.

> jfc

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:27:15 -0500
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] FW: ALSC Press Release

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joanna Lane [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:18 AM
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Subject: ALSC Press Release

Denise,
You do realize, I suppose, that your banner headline "GO FORTH AND
MULTIPLY!" http://www.atlargestudy.org/participation.shtml means one of two
things on the streets of England, either "GO AND F*CK YOURSELF" or "F*UCK
OFF". Where did it come from?

Joanna

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:09:24 -0500
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] FW: Comments Received Regarding Revised WLS Proposal

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 To all respondents: 

On behalf of Chuck Gomes, thanks once again for taking time to share your
comments and feedback concerning the proposed Wait Listing Service (WLS).
As stated, it has been our goal to aggregate the feedback that is collected
and post this for public record to the VeriSign website.  To that end, we
have posted to our website the collective feedback that was submitted to
VGRS, and received at  <mailto:[email-masked]> [email-masked] as of
4:30P, March 14, 2002.  The URL where these comments regarding the revised
Wait Listing Proposal may be viewed is at:
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