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GA-DIGEST          Thursday, March 14 2002          Volume 01 : Number 1080

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:22:49 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ICANN structure bookmarks

You can find a compilation of bookmarks concerning anything 
interesting about the recent ICANN structure discussions at 
<http://does-not-exist.org/ga-structure/>, including a list of links 
into the structure task force's list archives.

I'll try to post anything new to that site, including, of course, 
any progress made on the GA and Names Council.  If I have missed 
anything important, misrepresented anything, etc., please let me 
know.

I hope that this is useful, in particular for possible newcomers to 
the ICANN structure discussion.

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:02:48 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] IRC Scribing: web log available.

As some of you may know, Alexander is currently trying to scribe on 
the #icann channel on irc.dal.net.  This channel is now logged in 
near-realtime to <http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html>.

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:32:05 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Gambling law takes away domain name rights

{referencing a new proposed bill taking away domain name rights}

Rep. Bob Goodlatte R-VA is a right wing ultra conservative.  But he is
also bent on using government regulation to control free speech and
Internet Assembly rights.  He also seems to have no problem in taking
away property rights (domain names) without due process.  In other words

he either understands and wants to violate the constitution or he is
ignorant.

He has failed at many such bills but now has become a little more
politically astute in that he has tempered his demands.  He has gotten
rid of his most strident opponents by letting state lotteries and,
off-track betting and dog racing out of the scope of his bill. (is this
a plan to get a foothold or genuine understanding of the issues?, I
think in that he is a politician it is a foothold - not to mention he is

a Zealot)

********

How this effects domain names is obvious.  It gives US government
authorities an unfettered right to remove one's rights to use their
intellectual property rights on the Internet.  It is not a suggestion to

give more power to officials to enforce existing laws (anti-terrorism -
child pornography) it is creating whole new encroachments into existing
rights.

One of the most galling features is the International ramifications.  It

is a literal violation of almost every BTA, NAFTA, WTO and WIPO concept
available.  The US does not have the moral or contractual right to
dictate morality to the world.  And certainly not by a Virginian ultra
conservative who holds the US Constitution in such contempt.

These agreements and properly open and transparent adoptions of policy
and laws have been used as a sword to take domain names from
individuals, in this case they must be used as a shield to protect all
domain name holders rights.

This makes the UDRP seem like an individual protection device.  We must
oppose this US centric attempt to deny domain name holders the rights to
use domain names as they see fit, and this blatant attack on individual
users right to chose.

e

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 04:35:55 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ICANN News

Thks to David Goldstein.

ICANN set for showdown
By Reuters
13 March 2002
At one of the plushest hotels in one of the world's poorest countries, the
Internet's top policy-making body will meet this week to consider
controversial plans to reorganise itself.
http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/enterprise/story/0,2000025001,20264004,00.htm

ICANN Chief's Proposal Prompts Debate In Ghana
By David McGuire, Newsbytes
WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A.,
12 Mar 2002, 4:14 PM CST
The proposed dismantling and restructuring of the body that manages the
Internet's naming system has prompted heated debates among the Internet
addressing stakeholders convening in Ghana this week, an observer said today.
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175155.html

Little support for ICANN overhaul proposal
By Scarlet Pruitt
13 March, 2002 9:10 BOSTON , U.S.
An Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting held in
Accra, Ghana, Tuesday was bogged down in debate over a fiery proposal recently
put forth by the group's president, calling for a complete overhaul of the
organization, a Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT) representative
reported.
http://www.thestandard.com.au/idg2.nsf/All/15361E5940BD2A68CA256B7A007A95BD!Op
enDocument&NavArea=Home&SelectedCategoryName=News

Japanese Groups Blast ICANN Restructuring Proposal
By David McGuire, Newsbytes
WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A.,
12 Mar 2002, 12:55 PM CST
A handful of Japanese public interest groups have blasted a proposal to
restructure the Internet addressing system's oversight body, arguing the plan
would weaken public involvement.
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175150.html

Stakeholder responses at:
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc09/doc00006.doc
http://www.new.net/WhitePaper_v2.pdf
http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=596

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:10:07 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Forwarded at the request of Chun Eung Hwi

Dear ncdnhc members,

I am sorry for this short note (maybe, again unilaterally edited and
possibly artificially distorted report) And forgive me to skip Names
Council meeting and morning session of Public Forum things because I
should also have concentrated on my own job as an NC member.

This afternoon, there was very boring debate on insulting words towards
board members between some microphone takers and a few board members.
After that unfruitful chattering, Amadeu asked very substantial question. 

Amadeu : So far as I know it, ALSC and NAIS used to take fundamentally
different approaches to each other. Then, now there seems to be some
"conversion" at the side of NAIS. Is it right?

I could not write here the exact words those NAIS people used for
explaining their position because I am not a scriber. Anyhow, they tried
to explain why they are taking such changed position and almost admit to
Amadeu's thinking. 

Only Alexander Svensen, alternate chair of GA, commented out valuable
words. He emphasized that in any way, some decision should be taken in
Accra regarding at large membership. He said that all proposals for
implementation are put on the table. Now, board should decide something.
"Let's end up this long continuous postponement here. It seems to be
postponed eternally. Please take some decision now." 

I truly respect NAIS members' committed efforts and their valuable
contribution, but quite frankly, their explanation sounded as if it were
the declaration of giving up. Interestingly, when Isumi Aizu explained
NAIS position, Esther Dyson shouted out. "say only YES" (It meant NAIS
fully accept ALSC report's recommendations.)

I am sorry but then I felt that somewhere, at large members are being
insulted.

At the closing remark, Vint Cerf summarized his feeling. He separated two
elements. One is the value of individual input, and the other is all
things regarding election for at large directors. I cannot remember
correctly what he said but he seems to think that the former could be
seriously considered, but the latter will never come again. Unfortunately,
I was reminded in Bangkok APRICOT2002 meeting held in last week, when I
talked with Stuart Lynn, he said the same thing to me. 

I am sorry for this too much subjective report. But I believe our very
respectable board director - Alejandro Pisanty would report the whole
things more objectively. Thank you in advance!
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:17:27 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANNATLARGE.COM - Nominations for website supervisory Panel? -  What about the Steering committee Joop-Pinder

Hey how about a compromise of sorts?

Look we are not going to get 10 people to sit on a Steering committee and 10
to sit on this Supervisory Panel.
Even with no vote and 5000 members it won't happen.

One committee for both is the way to go.

With DPF's restrictions on other office.

Eric

Jeff Williams wrote:

> All assembly members,
>
>   Seems that KING Joop and Jester Pinder, are again missing the point
> or aren't listening very well. (See below following comments)
>
>   Joop, what HAS been called for it a Steering Committee election first.
> Once a Legitimate Steering committee is elected and in place,
> the members can amongst themselves either hire, or amongst themselves
> act in the capacity as a "Web site Supervisory Panel" as part of their
> duties or function.  Pretty simple and streamlines process as well
> as gives the Steering Committee a function that can be seen
> by everyone.  >;)
>
>   It would also seem obvious to many here that from your list
> of YOUR choice of Potential Candidates that few have the
> ability or experience to carry out such a function.
> A few have admitted that they are not Domain Name
> holders, and likely have NO experience for such a
> function...
>
>   The following is a copy from ICANNATLARGE.COM
> Webmail Topic: Nominations
> Also see: http://icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=175#175
> And follow on comments:
> http://icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=189#189
>
> ===============  Copy starts here ===============
>
>   Nominations for website supervisory Panel
>   ICANN at Large Discussion Forum Index -> NOMINATIONS
>  Author: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
>
>   Message
>   terastra
>   Joined: 25 Feb 2002
>   Posts: 51
>   Location: New Zealand
>   Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:08 am
>   Post subject: Nominations for website supervisory Panel
>
>  Looking at the choice that we now have in our growing members list
> (454)
>
>  My early choice of Nominations (I like a large list so that
> seconders have plenty of choice) would be
>
>                        Karl Auerbach
>                        Pindar Wong
>                        Esther Dyson
>                        Thomas Roessler
>                        Alexander Svennson
>                        Bret Faucett
>                        Izumi Aizu
>                        Michael Froomkin (is he a member yet?)
>                        Vittorio Bertola
>                        Jeanette Hoffmann
>                        Danny Younger (should be persuaded to join again)
>                        Joanna Lane
>                        Hans Klein
>                        David Johnson
>                        Charles Cha'ban
>                        Bill Lovell
>                        Stefaan Verhulst
>                        Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
>                        Johannes Chiang
>                        Veni Markovski
>                        Roeland Meyer
>                        Chris Streatfield
>                        Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>                        Bill Lovell
>                        Andy Mueller-Maguehn
>                        Masanobu Katoh
>                        Asaad Al-Najjar
>
>    I'll think of more names.
>
>    Can we have some debate on what you all think would
> be the optimum number for this Panel? It is not a steeting committee,
> but simply a broad body that is to look after your website content and
>  structure.
>  7?
>     _________________
>    temporary webmaster
>
> =================  End of copy ==============
>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail [email-masked]
> Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:53:22 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANNATLARGE.COM - Nominations for website supervisory Panel? -  What about the Steering committee Joop-Pinder

Eric and all assembly members, stakeholdrs or interested parties,

  Two initial problems here Eric.
1.) One should never compermise on principal, EVER.
2.) Without a budget I don't see any way of paying 20
     "Officers" when there isn't even money to pay one
     right now and not clear view of ever getting that
     taken care of.

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Hey how about a compromise of sorts?
>
> Look we are not going to get 10 people to sit on a Steering committee and 10
> to sit on this Supervisory Panel.
> Even with no vote and 5000 members it won't happen.
>
> One committee for both is the way to go.
>
> With DPF's restrictions on other office.
>
> Eric
>
> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > All assembly members,
> >
> >   Seems that KING Joop and Jester Pinder, are again missing the point
> > or aren't listening very well. (See below following comments)
> >
> >   Joop, what HAS been called for it a Steering Committee election first.
> > Once a Legitimate Steering committee is elected and in place,
> > the members can amongst themselves either hire, or amongst themselves
> > act in the capacity as a "Web site Supervisory Panel" as part of their
> > duties or function.  Pretty simple and streamlines process as well
> > as gives the Steering Committee a function that can be seen
> > by everyone.  >;)
> >
> >   It would also seem obvious to many here that from your list
> > of YOUR choice of Potential Candidates that few have the
> > ability or experience to carry out such a function.
> > A few have admitted that they are not Domain Name
> > holders, and likely have NO experience for such a
> > function...
> >
> >   The following is a copy from ICANNATLARGE.COM
> > Webmail Topic: Nominations
> > Also see: http://icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=175#175
> > And follow on comments:
> > http://icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=189#189
> >
> > ===============  Copy starts here ===============
> >
> >   Nominations for website supervisory Panel
> >   ICANN at Large Discussion Forum Index -> NOMINATIONS
> >  Author: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
> >
> >   Message
> >   terastra
> >   Joined: 25 Feb 2002
> >   Posts: 51
> >   Location: New Zealand
> >   Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:08 am
> >   Post subject: Nominations for website supervisory Panel
> >
> >  Looking at the choice that we now have in our growing members list
> > (454)
> >
> >  My early choice of Nominations (I like a large list so that
> > seconders have plenty of choice) would be
> >
> >                        Karl Auerbach
> >                        Pindar Wong
> >                        Esther Dyson
> >                        Thomas Roessler
> >                        Alexander Svennson
> >                        Bret Faucett
> >                        Izumi Aizu
> >                        Michael Froomkin (is he a member yet?)
> >                        Vittorio Bertola
> >                        Jeanette Hoffmann
> >                        Danny Younger (should be persuaded to join again)
> >                        Joanna Lane
> >                        Hans Klein
> >                        David Johnson
> >                        Charles Cha'ban
> >                        Bill Lovell
> >                        Stefaan Verhulst
> >                        Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
> >                        Johannes Chiang
> >                        Veni Markovski
> >                        Roeland Meyer
> >                        Chris Streatfield
> >                        Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >                        Bill Lovell
> >                        Andy Mueller-Maguehn
> >                        Masanobu Katoh
> >                        Asaad Al-Najjar
> >
> >    I'll think of more names.
> >
> >    Can we have some debate on what you all think would
> > be the optimum number for this Panel? It is not a steeting committee,
> > but simply a broad body that is to look after your website content and
> >  structure.
> >  7?
> >     _________________
> >    temporary webmaster
> >
> > =================  End of copy ==============
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail [email-masked]
> > Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [email-masked]
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:02:32 -0500
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Numbers - was [ga] icannatlarge has now signed up 544 members

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of jeanette
hofmann
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:03 AM
Dear Joanna,

I think it is a very good idea to have a committee in charge a.s.a.p.
that has the
backing of those who signed up as members. I think it is a bad
idea to
rely on one web master or editor only.

I would like to see appointed a handful of people, not more than
seven, committed and open-minded, who are able to ensure that
nobody can manipulate or abuse the process of building up support
for an at large organization. As long as the list of subscribers is
growing fast, it seems not to be a good idea to work on a formal
charter that aims to establish a long term framework for an At large
organization.

jeanette

Hello Jeanette,
The last thing I want to argue about is the minutiae of an organization that
is probably going to be reorganized by an ICANN appointed Organizing
committee in short order, but I was just trying to make the point that if
you have staked your claim to a piece of land to build a new town, you do
not ask the townsfolk to select a committee and supervise the builder - you
hire an Architect who not knows industry regulations, someone who knows how
to identify the real problems (as opposed to the ones the client is telling
you how to solve), who can obtain town permits more easily than the client
and whose reputation relies on following certain ethics, including providing
a decent shelter for the local inmates of local insane asylum, rather than
leaving them to starve in a pig sty in the richest person's back yard.

There is no need to resist to resist my suggestion of getting a professional
involved, unless of course, we are overrun with qualified members. If so,
please step forward. I worked fulltime for 14 years for a public interest
media organization in London, the BBC in fact, and with the possible
exception of Brett Fausset, I just don't see anything remotely close to the
kind of expertise that is necessary to do the job properly in the proposed
group, sorry to be so blunt. And I repeat, you do not run a news
organization by committee, and at this stage, that's all it needs to be. Am
I wrong?

Regards,
Joanna

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:09 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [ga] ICANNATLARGE.COM - Nominations for website  supervisory Panel? - What about the Steering committee Joop-Pinder

There is not principle (or is that principal?) involved here otherwise we would
not compromise as in domain name ownership requirements and 9 seats.

I will serve without pay.  But lordy knows you do not want my hellfire and
brimstone in there.  My pay will be the exorcism of the current evil
boardsquatters.

(Hey lighten up, this is hard being an antagonist but someone has to do it.)

Eric

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Eric and all assembly members, stakeholdrs or interested parties,
>
>   Two initial problems here Eric.
> 1.) One should never compermise on principal, EVER.
> 2.) Without a budget I don't see any way of paying 20
>      "Officers" when there isn't even money to pay one
>      right now and not clear view of ever getting that
>      taken care of.
>
> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Hey how about a compromise of sorts?
> >
> > Look we are not going to get 10 people to sit on a Steering committee and 10
> > to sit on this Supervisory Panel.
> > Even with no vote and 5000 members it won't happen.
> >
> > One committee for both is the way to go.
> >
> > With DPF's restrictions on other office.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > > All assembly members,
> > >
> > >   Seems that KING Joop and Jester Pinder, are again missing the point
> > > or aren't listening very well. (See below following comments)
> > >
> > >   Joop, what HAS been called for it a Steering Committee election first.
> > > Once a Legitimate Steering committee is elected and in place,
> > > the members can amongst themselves either hire, or amongst themselves
> > > act in the capacity as a "Web site Supervisory Panel" as part of their
> > > duties or function.  Pretty simple and streamlines process as well
> > > as gives the Steering Committee a function that can be seen
> > > by everyone.  >;)
> > >
> > >   It would also seem obvious to many here that from your list
> > > of YOUR choice of Potential Candidates that few have the
> > > ability or experience to carry out such a function.
> > > A few have admitted that they are not Domain Name
> > > holders, and likely have NO experience for such a
> > > function...
> > >
> > >   The following is a copy from ICANNATLARGE.COM
> > > Webmail Topic: Nominations
> > > Also see: http://icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=175#175
> > > And follow on comments:
> > > http://icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=189#189
> > >
> > > ===============  Copy starts here ===============
> > >
> > >   Nominations for website supervisory Panel
> > >   ICANN at Large Discussion Forum Index -> NOMINATIONS
> > >  Author: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
> > >
> > >   Message
> > >   terastra
> > >   Joined: 25 Feb 2002
> > >   Posts: 51
> > >   Location: New Zealand
> > >   Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:08 am
> > >   Post subject: Nominations for website supervisory Panel
> > >
> > >  Looking at the choice that we now have in our growing members list
> > > (454)
> > >
> > >  My early choice of Nominations (I like a large list so that
> > > seconders have plenty of choice) would be
> > >
> > >                        Karl Auerbach
> > >                        Pindar Wong
> > >                        Esther Dyson
> > >                        Thomas Roessler
> > >                        Alexander Svennson
> > >                        Bret Faucett
> > >                        Izumi Aizu
> > >                        Michael Froomkin (is he a member yet?)
> > >                        Vittorio Bertola
> > >                        Jeanette Hoffmann
> > >                        Danny Younger (should be persuaded to join again)
> > >                        Joanna Lane
> > >                        Hans Klein
> > >                        David Johnson
> > >                        Charles Cha'ban
> > >                        Bill Lovell
> > >                        Stefaan Verhulst
> > >                        Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
> > >                        Johannes Chiang
> > >                        Veni Markovski
> > >                        Roeland Meyer
> > >                        Chris Streatfield
> > >                        Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > >                        Bill Lovell
> > >                        Andy Mueller-Maguehn
> > >                        Masanobu Katoh
> > >                        Asaad Al-Najjar
> > >
> > >    I'll think of more names.
> > >
> > >    Can we have some debate on what you all think would
> > > be the optimum number for this Panel? It is not a steeting committee,
> > > but simply a broad body that is to look after your website content and
> > >  structure.
> > >  7?
> > >     _________________
> > >    temporary webmaster
> > >
> > > =================  End of copy ==============
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > > E-Mail [email-masked]
> > > Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail [email-masked]
> Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:45:57 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Forwarded at the request of Chun Eung Hwi

Wednesday, Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 11:10:07 AM, [email-masked] wrote:

> At the closing remark, Vint Cerf summarized his feeling. He separated two
> elements. One is the value of individual input, and the other is all
> things regarding election for at large directors. I cannot remember
> correctly what he said but he seems to think that the former could be
> seriously considered, but the latter will never come again. Unfortunately,
> I was reminded in Bangkok APRICOT2002 meeting held in last week, when I
> talked with Stuart Lynn, he said the same thing to me. 

There is no way the board can make such a decision and claim it is the
result of a community consensus policy this time.  There is far too
much objection from far too many very public and very well known
sources this time.

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:21:06 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Opposition to Lynn Proposal in the press

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/020313/n13321283_1.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/020313/internet_governance_1.html

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:29:18 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.

Alexander is once again real-time scribing hte conversations in 
Accra.  If you want a life feed, go to IRC channel #icann on 
irc.dal.net.  An archive of the notes is available at 
<http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html>.
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 04:27:14 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Accra: Alexander is scribing.

Thomas and all assembly members,

Thomas Roessler wrote:

> Alexander is once again real-time scribing hte conversations in
> Accra.  If you want a life feed, go to IRC channel #icann on
> irc.dal.net.  An archive of the notes is available at
> <http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html>.

  I think you mean LIVE feed, not life feed.
Unless they are serving food during this session or there
is a life support system being used on someone there!

 I wonder why these logs and scribe notes are not being handled
by the ICANN staff?  Are they deficient in their duties or do they
suffer from some insufficiencies?  Shouldn't the ICANN staff
be able to provide for this and their own remote participation
capability?  Is not doing so a reflection or a preview of
more coming "Attractions" with respect to lack of technical
ability?

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:40:15 +0100 (CET)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] New term in ICANN speak?

Do I read a new term in ICANN speak in the resolution just passed in
Accra? I mean 'self-sustaining'. Should I add that to my spell checker
list, after 'bottom-up', 'consensus', 'ICANN community'?

Will it also mainly serve rhetoric purposes?

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:44:40 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Accra Meetings Information

Please note that _drafts_ of the resolutions passed (or to be 
passed), and election results as relayed by Alexander are now also 
available at the IRC log web page, 
<http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html>.

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:28:19 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] New term in ICANN speak?

Oh no Marc.

Self Sustaining is a psycho. term; it refers to the "self" grandizing it's
own needs and ambitions without reflection to the outside world.  What it
really means is that if you can convince your "self" that you are not
lying and cheating and basically completely uncaring then you can
"sustain" your fantasy world, that you are really great.

Bottom - up is also a great term misunderstood by most; it directly
translates into -"the asses are at the top"
Open and Transparent simply means that; "if their mouths are moving they
are lying and so you should know it"
Consensus simply means that it is the Tops job to "con" you into believing
they make "sense" to "us".

Quite simple really and nothing to get excited about here at this
wonderful tea party Alice.

Eric

Marc Schneiders wrote:

> Do I read a new term in ICANN speak in the resolution just passed in
> Accra? I mean 'self-sustaining'. Should I add that to my spell checker
> list, after 'bottom-up', 'consensus', 'ICANN community'?
>
> Will it also mainly serve rhetoric purposes?
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