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GA-DIGEST          Friday, February 1 2002          Volume 01 : Number 1025

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:55:46 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] International Domain Name News

Thursday, Thursday, January 31, 2002, 7:10:16 AM, Patrick Corliss wrote:
> auDA takes .org.au from Elz (Australian IT)
> The Australian domain industry self-regulatory body has seized
> control of .org.au and .id.au from Robert Elz.
> http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,3677772%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00
> .html

I can't help but think that the Australian internet community is worse
off with this bureaucracy in control of the ccTLD now.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:29:08 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] What ever happened to domain name expansion?

http://www0.mercurycenter.com/partners/docs1/044408.htm

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:31:23 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] .coop live?

Appears so:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020130/180/11bw6.html

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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:06:58 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Jumping Up Every Five Minutes

On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:12:15 -0600, Don Brown wrote:

> I don't think this is spam, at all.  I think it is an opinion and, although
> you and I may not agree with it, he does, never-the-less, have some
> elementary right to share his thoughts.  This list is suppose to be
> open and not bigoted - at least I thought so, going in.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:01:33 -0500, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:

> I'm, quite frankly, tired of the rhetoric and tired of the interruptions.
> The Anglican Church doesn't hold recruiting drives at the local Mosque
> during worship. If the alt.root crowd wants to recruit followers, they can
> do so in much more appropriate venues without jumping up every five minutes
> and interrupting our "meeting".

Hi Ross

Truly you are overstating the case by saying "jumping up every five minutes"
in relation to John Palmer.  His posts are very infrequent.  Nor do they
always relate to Alt Roots.

In the last six months, from 1 August 2001 to 31 January 2002, John Palmer,
has made six posts.  That's an average of one a month.  Two of these were on
the same day viz 31st January 2002.

Another two of the six were so brief as to be almost non-existent.  One said,
and I quote:

> "I second that motion"

Admittedly John made seven posts last July 2001 but, as I remember, that was a
topic of interest at the time.  And it was a long time ago, in internet terms.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:38:16 -0500, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:

> Part of the drag on the
> efficiency of this assembly comes from a reluctance to direct the
> proceedings. Accordingly, special interests are continually walking up to
> the podium, taking off their clothes and saying "look at me!".

I'd hardly say a dozen or so posts a year was excessive.  By way of
comparison, the archives show that there has been 822 posts this month alone.
Annualised that makes about 10,000 posts.

In fact, most of the Alt Root people (Joe Baptista, Leah Gallegos, Roeland
Meyer, Bradley Thornton, John Palmer, Marc Schneiders, Karl Peters, Adam Todd,
Bruce James, Marc Brittan, Richard Sexton and myself) either do not post to
the GA mailing list these days and, if they ever do, do not talk about Alt
Roots.

So Don's point is really quite valid.

Best regards
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:10:44 -0500
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Jumping Up Every Five Minutes

I was referring to the general problem, not specific manifestations of the
problem. This thread itself is an example of the general problem, but I
wouldn't hold it up as a specific instance.

- -rwr

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From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
To: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[ga]" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:06 PM
Subject: Jumping Up Every Five Minutes

> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:12:15 -0600, Don Brown wrote:
>
>
> > I don't think this is spam, at all.  I think it is an opinion and,
although
> > you and I may not agree with it, he does, never-the-less, have some
> > elementary right to share his thoughts.  This list is suppose to be
> > open and not bigoted - at least I thought so, going in.
>
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:01:33 -0500, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
>
> > I'm, quite frankly, tired of the rhetoric and tired of the
interruptions.
> > The Anglican Church doesn't hold recruiting drives at the local Mosque
> > during worship. If the alt.root crowd wants to recruit followers, they
can
> > do so in much more appropriate venues without jumping up every five
minutes
> > and interrupting our "meeting".
>
> Hi Ross
>
> Truly you are overstating the case by saying "jumping up every five
minutes"
> in relation to John Palmer.  His posts are very infrequent.  Nor do they
> always relate to Alt Roots.
>
> In the last six months, from 1 August 2001 to 31 January 2002, John
Palmer,
> has made six posts.  That's an average of one a month.  Two of these were
on
> the same day viz 31st January 2002.
>
> Another two of the six were so brief as to be almost non-existent.  One
said,
> and I quote:
>
> > "I second that motion"
>
> Admittedly John made seven posts last July 2001 but, as I remember, that
was a
> topic of interest at the time.  And it was a long time ago, in internet
terms.
>
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:38:16 -0500, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
>
> > Part of the drag on the
> > efficiency of this assembly comes from a reluctance to direct the
> > proceedings. Accordingly, special interests are continually walking up
to
> > the podium, taking off their clothes and saying "look at me!".
>
> I'd hardly say a dozen or so posts a year was excessive.  By way of
> comparison, the archives show that there has been 822 posts this month
alone.
> Annualised that makes about 10,000 posts.
>
> In fact, most of the Alt Root people (Joe Baptista, Leah Gallegos, Roeland
> Meyer, Bradley Thornton, John Palmer, Marc Schneiders, Karl Peters, Adam
Todd,
> Bruce James, Marc Brittan, Richard Sexton and myself) either do not post
to
> the GA mailing list these days and, if they ever do, do not talk about Alt
> Roots.
>
> So Don's point is really quite valid.
>
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
>
>

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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:47:03 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Jumping Up Every Five Minutes

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:10:44 -0500, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
Subject: [ga] Re: Jumping Up Every Five Minutes

> I was referring to the general problem, not specific manifestations of the
> problem. This thread itself is an example of the general problem, but I
> wouldn't hold it up as a specific instance.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:14:45 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Verisign: ".com/net not a necessity" replying to
anti-trust concerns of WLS

> Can we keep the alt.root spam to a minimum please?

Hi Ross

I am sorry that you missed my very clear point.  Whilst the request "to
keep alt.root spam to a minimum" appears reasonable on its face, it is
quite damaging for two reasons:

(1)    The inference that there is a large quantity of "alt root" spam to be
minimised, by John Palmer or other Alt Root supporters, is quite false as
shown in my response to your post.

(2)    Such a post immediately triggers off a diversionary thread.

Which makes me suspect the motives of the poster was to bait John Palmer
or other members of the Alt Root community (of which, as far as I know, Don
Brown is not a member).

I try not to respond to messages of this type -- although we all fall into
error sometimes -- as I realise the potential for diversion.  However,
somebody, somewhere on the list may well do so.

Now "baiting" is a tactic that many on this list use, sometimes by chance and
sometimes by design.  Some people are acknowledged experts.  If I say more I
will be committing the sin of "baiting", myself.

Should you find John Palmer's rare postings unsuitable, please add him to
your filters.  William Walsh can do the same.  However, I would ask that
we recognise the truth here.

And that is that some posts are not as reasonable as they might appear.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:58:48 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Re: Jumping Up Every Five Minutes

Bullocks.

The post was clearly a solicitation to get more people into the
alt.roots, something which is clearly outside the scope of the DNSO
and the GA, and was not about anything regarding the merits of those
issues.  It was a solicitation, plain and simple, as was his other
post soliciting domain registrants.

It was only after two spams were posted within 24 hours that anything
was said.

This is not the place for the alt.root community to use as a
PR or promotion forum.  It is inappropriate, and off topic.

I find it amusing that the alt.root community feels they need to
advertise here.

Thursday, Thursday, January 31, 2002, 6:47:03 PM, Patrick Corliss wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:10:44 -0500, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
> Subject: [ga] Re: Jumping Up Every Five Minutes

>> I was referring to the general problem, not specific manifestations of the
>> problem. This thread itself is an example of the general problem, but I
>> wouldn't hold it up as a specific instance.

> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:14:45 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Verisign: ".com/net not a necessity" replying to
> anti-trust concerns of WLS

>> Can we keep the alt.root spam to a minimum please?

> Hi Ross

> I am sorry that you missed my very clear point.  Whilst the request "to
> keep alt.root spam to a minimum" appears reasonable on its face, it is
> quite damaging for two reasons:

> (1)    The inference that there is a large quantity of "alt root" spam to be
> minimised, by John Palmer or other Alt Root supporters, is quite false as
> shown in my response to your post.

> (2)    Such a post immediately triggers off a diversionary thread.

> Which makes me suspect the motives of the poster was to bait John Palmer
> or other members of the Alt Root community (of which, as far as I know, Don
> Brown is not a member).

> I try not to respond to messages of this type -- although we all fall into
> error sometimes -- as I realise the potential for diversion.  However,
> somebody, somewhere on the list may well do so.

> Now "baiting" is a tactic that many on this list use, sometimes by chance and
> sometimes by design.  Some people are acknowledged experts.  If I say more I
> will be committing the sin of "baiting", myself.

> Should you find John Palmer's rare postings unsuitable, please add him to
> your filters.  William Walsh can do the same.  However, I would ask that
> we recognise the truth here.

> And that is that some posts are not as reasonable as they might appear.

> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss

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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:43:24 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Jumping Up Every Five Minutes

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:58:48 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:

> This is not the place for the alt.root community to use as a
> PR or promotion forum.  It is inappropriate, and off topic.

Hi William

Rules of order for the mailing lists of the General Assembly of the DNSO
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules-v0.4.html

The following rules apply to content of messages on the GA list:
- - The messages must be relevant to the business of the GA

Your proper course of action should you consider a post off topic is to lodge
a complaint with the List Monitor through [ga-abuse].  I believe you know
this.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:06:02 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Please stop this discussion. (Re: [ga] Re: Jumping Up Every Five Minutes)

Could we just stop this thread, please?

This discussion has arrived at a point where it leads nowhere, with 
the possible exception of unnecessary work for Alexander when 
dealing with complaints about offensive language, or possibly 
off-topic postings.

Generally, alt.root discussions do not help this GA to move forward 
in any sensible way (this particular one certainly does not).  Quite 
frankly, there are more than enough ICANN-related topics which could 
use some reasonable discussion instead.  Wasting time on alt.roots 
instead doesn't let this GA look very well.

Postings which go one meta-level further, and discuss how frequently 
alt.root discussions have actually occured over the last couple of 
years, and whether list members may state for themselves that 
alt.root discussions are off-topic when there is a list monitor, 
also don't really contribute to the business of this GA.

So, please stop this discussion, enjoy the weather (where 
enjoyable), and possibly listen to those nice little mp3s available 
 from icannwatch.org.

BTW, whoever that anonymous artis is, can we please get a life 
performance for the physical GA meeting in Accra, or possibly at 
some later ICANN meeting?  That may greatly help to add the 
necessary dose of humor. ;-)

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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:57:47 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] GA members' statement on dot-org divestiture

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From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:56:36 +0100
Subject: GA members' statement on dot-org divestiture

The undersigned members of the DNSO General Assembly

 1. endorse the criteria and guidelines for applicants
    for operation of the .org registry contained
    in the Final Report of the .org Task Force
    (http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc09/msg00031.html)

 2. support the unrestricted character of .ORG, both for
    new and old registrants, and the absence of new
    eviction mechanisms for domain name holders.

 3. emphasize the need for a complete divestiture
    of the .org TLD and urge the DNSO Names Council and
    the ICANN Board to ensure that the divestiture
    increases competition. The applicant organizations
    must submit proposals which are consistent with
    the goal of divestiture.

 4. are concerned about the possibility of a price raise
    in the .org registration fee and emphasize that the
    registry fee should be "as low as feasible consistent
    with the maintenance of good quality service" (TF Final
    Report, 4). The ICANN Board's decision about the
    applicant organization should not be deflected by
    excessive attention to proposals for spending a
    possible surplus.

 5. encourage applicant organizations to propose ways
    of ensuring that the "differentiation of the domain",
    which is "a key objective in the transition" (TF Final
    Report, 2e), is also communicated to dispute resolution
    providers and panelists. A simplistic, undifferentiated
    approach to domain disputes in the .org TLD puts the
    potential benefits at risk.

 6. urge applicant organizations to consider incentives and
    deterrents to ensure that all registrars market .org
    domains in a way which does not run counter to the goal
    of differentiation enabling end-user choice.

 7. thank the GA representative on the .org Task Force,
    Marc Schneiders, for his work.

Agree:

Don Brown <[email-masked]>		 GA-subscr, GA-voting
Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>		 GA-subscr, GA-voting, 
NCDNHC
Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]> GA-subscr, GA-voting
Dan Steinberg <[email-masked]>		 GA-voting
Michael Froomkin <[email-masked]> 	 GA-subscr, GA-voting
Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>	 GA-subscr, GA-voting
Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>	 GA-subscr, GA-voting
Alexander Svensson <[email-masked]>       GA-subscr, GA-voting
David P. Farrar <[email-masked]>		 GA-subscr, GA-voting
Leah Gallegos <[email-masked]>			 GA-subscr, GA-voting
Jessica Westbrook <[email-masked]>		 GA-subscr, GA-voting

Disagree:

Chuck Gomes <[email-masked]>		 GA-voting, gTLD 
constituency
Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>

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