Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #1019
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GA-DIGEST          Tuesday, January 29 2002          Volume 01 : Number 1019

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:01:56 -0500
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "VeriSign Global Registry Services" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

To All Registrars:

Two documents related to the wait listing service (WLS) have been posted to
our web site:

1. Revised WLS proposal based on feedback received from registrars and other
interested and parties
2. Justification for a Registry-based Wait Listing Service document

These documents are located at:
http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/waitListService.pdf (Revised WLS
document)
http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/WLS_Justification.pdf (Justification
document)

Please note the recommended procedures and deadlines for questions and
feedback that are contained toward the beginning of the revised proposal.
Feedback for these documents should be directed to [email-masked].

VeriSign GRS will be distributing these documents to other constituencies as
well and encouraging responses from all interested parties.

Regards,

Chris Sheridan
Manager, Customer Service
VeriSign Global Registry Services
www.verisign-grs.com
[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:25:31 -0600
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

What is the user-name and what is the password?

At 12:01 PM 1/29/2002 -0500, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "VeriSign Global Registry Services" <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:36 AM
>Subject: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents
>
>
>To All Registrars:
>
>Two documents related to the wait listing service (WLS) have been posted to
>our web site:
>
>1. Revised WLS proposal based on feedback received from registrars and other
>interested and parties
>2. Justification for a Registry-based Wait Listing Service document
>
>These documents are located at:
>http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/waitListService.pdf (Revised WLS
>document)
>http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/WLS_Justification.pdf (Justification
>document)
>
>Please note the recommended procedures and deadlines for questions and
>feedback that are contained toward the beginning of the revised proposal.
>Feedback for these documents should be directed to [email-masked].
>
>VeriSign GRS will be distributing these documents to other constituencies as
>well and encouraging responses from all interested parties.
>
>Regards,
>
>Chris Sheridan
>Manager, Customer Service
>VeriSign Global Registry Services
>www.verisign-grs.com
>[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:27:37 -0600
From: Don Brown <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

Cute.  Both the Revised Proposal and the Justification Document
require a User ID and Password.

Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 11:01:56 AM, Ross Wm. Rader <[email-masked]> wrote:

RWR> ----- Original Message -----
RWR> From: "VeriSign Global Registry Services" <[email-masked]>
RWR> To: <[email-masked]>
RWR> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:36 AM
RWR> Subject: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

RWR> To All Registrars:

RWR> Two documents related to the wait listing service (WLS) have been posted to
RWR> our web site:

RWR> 1. Revised WLS proposal based on feedback received from registrars and other
RWR> interested and parties
RWR> 2. Justification for a Registry-based Wait Listing Service document

RWR> These documents are located at:
RWR> http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/waitListService.pdf (Revised WLS
RWR> document)
RWR> http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/WLS_Justification.pdf (Justification
RWR> document)

RWR> Please note the recommended procedures and deadlines for questions and
RWR> feedback that are contained toward the beginning of the revised proposal.
RWR> Feedback for these documents should be directed to [email-masked].

RWR> VeriSign GRS will be distributing these documents to other constituencies as
RWR> well and encouraging responses from all interested parties.

RWR> Regards,

RWR> Chris Sheridan
RWR> Manager, Customer Service
RWR> VeriSign Global Registry Services
RWR> www.verisign-grs.com
RWR> [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:37:35 -0500
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

I hadn't realized that this was only made available via the password
protected VGRS Registrar Support site. I have made them available at
http://www.byte.org/rc-deletes without a password if you wish to view them
in MS-Word format.

- -rwr

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
To: "Registrars@Dnso. Org" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
"Discuss-List@Opensrs. Org" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:01 PM
Subject: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VeriSign Global Registry Services" <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:36 AM
> Subject: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents
>
>
> To All Registrars:
>
> Two documents related to the wait listing service (WLS) have been posted
to
> our web site:
>
> 1. Revised WLS proposal based on feedback received from registrars and
other
> interested and parties
> 2. Justification for a Registry-based Wait Listing Service document
>
> These documents are located at:
> http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/waitListService.pdf (Revised WLS
> document)
> http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/WLS_Justification.pdf (Justification
> document)
>
> Please note the recommended procedures and deadlines for questions and
> feedback that are contained toward the beginning of the revised proposal.
> Feedback for these documents should be directed to [email-masked].
>
> VeriSign GRS will be distributing these documents to other constituencies
as
> well and encouraging responses from all interested parties.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Sheridan
> Manager, Customer Service
> VeriSign Global Registry Services
> www.verisign-grs.com
> [email-masked]
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:54:53 -0600
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: [ga] WLS impact

After reading the new documents (test/test for user-name and password) I 
STILL find no true Need for the service and don't see it simplifying 
anything for anyone.  It simply adds another layer and increases the amount 
of money spent.

Those individuals and businesses currently "pounding" on the whois database 
will continue to do so and will do so to both databases automatically 
unless this WLS is simply an addition to the original, in which case they 
will need to modify their programs to search both...

It is extremely disappointing that Verisign seems to focus on new business 
only and does not seem to have any interest in improving their current 
Registry system.  Perhaps a better place to spend their money with this 
group would be to pay them to write a new Internet Software Application 
where everything works consistently and there is no need for special 
assistance when modifying or deleting a domain name.

grump, grump,

;)

~k

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:07:59 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] gtld Statement on NC Election (Please Post)

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:13:33 -0600, "Neuman, Jeff"
<[email-masked]> wrote:

>We urge the NC to reject the motion and hold an immediate election for its
>chair in accordance with the Rules of Procedure that are currently in
>effect.  If it turns out that this motion is desirable by the Internet
>community, the motion can be voted on at some point in the future (after
>enough time for feedback from the ICANN community) and apply to subsequent
>elections.

I agree.  Terms of office and term limits should not be changed in
such a way which affect an incumbent.

DPF
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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:15:37 +0100
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] process according to Verisign

On 2002-01-29 12:37:35 -0500, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:

>I hadn't realized that this was only made available via the 
>password protected VGRS Registrar Support site. I have made them 
>available at http://www.byte.org/rc-deletes without a password if 
>you wish to view them in MS-Word format.

Thank you, and thanks to Chuck for posting the entire documents to 
the GA list.

Here's a short summary of the process suggested by Verisign:

 - Questions are to be submitted until February 8, to 
   <[email-masked]>.
 - Responses will be provided as of February 15.
 - Final feedback should be submitted to Verisign before March 1.
 - Target for VGRS decision regarding the proposal: March 8.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:43:20 -0800 (PST)
From: George Kirikos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Revised WLS Proposal

Hello,

- --- "Gomes, Chuck" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I have attached two documents related to the wait listing service
> proposal submitted by VGRS to the Registrars Constituency on December
> 30, 2001: (1) a revised proposal based on feedback received from
> registrars and other interested parties; (2) a document titled,
> 'Justification for a Registry-based Wait Listing Service.' I would

I think you'll find that given the very minor nature of the changes
that Verisign has made in this revised WLS, the opposition to it would
remain intact. Indeed, the proposed "procedure" for handling feedback
and answers to questions seems very self-serving, in that it allows
VRSN the ability to dodge and avoid answering questions. Most of the
"answers" in the document read as marketing fluff, or are met with
"let's do a test to see what happens" (of course putting competitors
out of business during that test, and pocketing a lot of money too).

I'll note there have been no answers yet to the questions posed at:

http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc09/msg00719.html

In your revised proposal you also fail to answer a very basic question
that has been posed repeatedly. I ask that you answer this question
immediately, as it is quite straightforward.

1) Are existing SnapBack holders going to be "grandfathered" into the
proposed WLS system?

As you can see, that's a very basic question -- yes or no would
suffice. If the answer is "no", please followup later (by February 15)
with an outline of your proposed sunrise and landrush procedures, as
I'm sure those would be of great interest to all. In at least 2 venues,
representatives of SnapNames have indicated that they'd be
grandfathered.

Indirectly related to the WLS, so perhaps we don't need to wait 2 week
for the answer to this one:

2) Is Verisign continuing with existing bulk deletions until such time
as ICANN/DoJ/etc. permit a new system to take over? There have no such
deletions for weeks, which I and others find very unusual. 

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
http://www.kirikos.com/

P.S. You can of course expect a much fuller reply to "WLS II -- Jason
Returns" in the coming days. ;)

P.P.S. Count me in on participating in the DNSO GA process for
responding to this revised proposal. Unfortunately, it looks like we'll
have to duplicate a lot of the prior questions, as Verisign was very
adept at dodging the most basic questions.

__________________________________________________
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Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! 
http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:10:05 -0600
From: "John Palmer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] DOTUSA.COM Recovery Claims now being accepted

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CHICAGO, January 29, 2002 /Business Wire/

John Palmer, President and CEO of AGN Domain Name Service (ADNS -
www.adns.net)
announced today that ADNS will give one free year of registrations to =
those
who
registered a domain ending in .USA with the website dotusa.com.

"ADNS wants to help out those who mistakenly registered domains with
dotusa.com.
We want to protect our trademark and our business product. Its not good =
that
so
many people lost money with dotusa.com", Palmer said.

ADNS has been operating the .USA registry since 1995, when it filed an
application
and claim for the .USA with IANA, the naming authority at the time.

Registrants who registered a domain with DOTUSA.COM can go to =
www.adns.net
and click on
the "DOTUSA RECOVERY" link at the top of the page to bring up the claim
form. ADNS will
give one free year of registration for each .USA name that a person
registered with
dotusa.com prior to January 31, 2002, provided that the domain is not
already taken by
an ADNS customer.

"We have received so many desperate calls from people who want to know =
why
their
domains aren't listed in the .USA whois registry. I have to tell them =
that
they have
been had", Palmer said. "This is bad for our business and our trademark. =
We
must help
these people if we can".

ADNS has been the registry for the ".USA" top-level domain since late =
1995
and has
registered the TLD as a trademark with the US Patent and Trademark =
Office.
Palmer
says that the only site on which people can register a ".USA" domain is =
the
ADNS
website (http://www.adns.net). All of ADNS's top level domains (EARTH, =
USA,
Z and AMERICA)
are part of the Inclusive Namespace and are not under the control of =
ICANN.
These
TLDs cannot be viewed by all of the internet, but only those that use an
Inclusive
Namespace DNS Server such as the ORSC Servers. (www.open-rsc.org). It is
estimated
that between 7 and 12 percent of the internet now sees the Inclusive
Namespace,
which contains several thousand TLDs.

Palmer's advice to internet users: "Don't fall for SPAM that arrives in =
your
Inbox.
You should always check things out before you spend money on the =
internet".
Palmer
added that ADNS does not advertise by way of unsolicited e-mail and does =
not
sell
its customer's data to marketers, and does not ever intend to do so. "If
users would
like to register a domain under .USA, the only place they can do so it
www.adns.net,
and the price is only $14.95 per year, not $59", said Palmer.

ADNS (www.adns.net) owns and operates the top-level domains AMERICA, =
EARTH,
USA
and Z and is part of the Inclusive Namespace.

SOURCE: AGN Domain Name Service, Inc.

CONTACT: John Palmer, [email-masked] /  312-560-3934

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:12:30 -0600
From: "Neuman, Jeff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] FW: [council] NC Chair Election (fwd)

Here is the response from Caroline Chicoine (the author of the original
motion) to the gTLD posting along with a new motion.

Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
Chair, gTLD Registry Constituency
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:37:08 -0600
From: "Chicoine, Caroline G." <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [council] NC Chair Election

First, I wanted to respond to the gTLD posting:

You state the proposed amendment would "(b) allow the Chair in office to
continue to
serve until a successor is appointed -- apparently only to be removed by a
two-thirds vote of the Council."  This was meant to cover a situation if for
whatever reason an election is delayed or if there is no one interested in
running.  Otherwise, in such situations, there would be no Chair.  This
provision was not meant to extend the term of the Chair otherwise.

I also think comparing the NC Internal Rules of Procedure to the U.S.
Constitution is a tad bit dramatic!

Moreover, if it is not clear, nothing in this amendment is preventing
someone running against Philip.  Further, having been on the NC when we have
been "booed" at meetings and have been stuck in procedural after procedural
issue, the fact that we have now focused on substantive matters is due
greatly in part to Philip.  To the extent the DNSO has been criticized, I am
not aware that it has ever been because of the length of the term of the
Chair, except of course the recent emails from two members of the GA sparked
in response to the gTLD's posting.  I am surprised that the gTLD
Constituency now believes that the NC's Rules of Procedure needs to be
subject to a full blown consensus process given that it never raised this
concern with the earlier three versions of the Rules of Procedure.

Nevertheless, since I have received differing input from everybody, I do not
believe I can draft a motion that would be warmly received by most of the
NC, and believe that further discussion by the NC on the issue is necessary.
In this regard, I ask that the issue regarding the rules for election of the
NC Chair be placed on the agenda for February's call.

As a result, I withdraw my proposed draft motion and rather present a more
narrow motion directed to what I had originally desired which was to request
a waiver of the rule prohibiting an individual from running for more than
two terms so that Philip could run again for another 6 month term.  Again,
the motion would only allow Philip to run for a 6 month term (i.e., I am mot
requesting any changes in the term of the NC Chair) and it does not prevent
anyone else from running against him.

On a personal note since I will note be on the NC after the Feb call, having
been a past Chair, it is a very time consuming position (assuming it is done
right) and no one should take the position lightly.  As we know, the DNSO is
still in a shaky state and the NC needs a strong, committed leader to carry
it forward.

On that note, here is my proposed motion:

WHEREAS the current Rules of Procedure for the DNSO (version 4) adopted by
the Names Council on 26 February 2001 (see
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20020117.NCprocedures-v4.0.html), provide:

"1. Names Council Chair
1.1 Election.  The NC Chair will be elected by the members of the NC by
simple majority vote and will hold office for a period of six months. One
renewal, subject to a fresh vote, of six months will be allowed. A retiring
Chair will not be eligible for re-election for a period of one year."

WHEREAS, under these rules, the current NC Chair, Philip Shepard, is
ineligible to run for re-election to the NC Chair;

NOW, THEREFORE, the NC moves as follows:

Solely for the purposes of the NC Chair election taking place on February
14, 2002, the NC moves to waive the provision of Section 1.1 of the Rules of
Procedure for the DNSO which prohibits a retiring NC Chair from running for
re-election for a period of one year.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:18:08 -0500
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

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Ross,

What you thought you realized, that the documents were "only made
available via the password protected VGRS Registrar Support site," was
in fact WRONG. Moreover, it was extremely inappropriate to cross-post a
message sent to VeriSign's registrars list to another list.  Nor do I
simply want to fault Ross because, as other posts have illustrated,
others jumped to the same false conclusions.

For all of the conspiracy theorists on this list as well as those who
cannot see past their anti-VeriSign emotions please note the following:
1) the two documents were sent by me to the GA list at 11:49 am EST; 2)
the two documents were sent to the VGRS registrars list at 12:08 pm; 3)
some simple arithmetic indicates that the documents were sent to the GA
list prior to being sent to the private VGRS registrars list.

I tolerate a lot of garbage on this list, but the posts on this subject
during the last couple hours have gone beyond my willingness to ignore.
They provide prime evidence why the GA is often ignored.  And that is
very unfortunate for the many members of the list who work hard to make
it a constructive source of input regarding DNSO issues.

Chuck 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:38 PM
> To: Ross Wm. Rader; Registrars@Dnso. Org; [email-masked];
> Discuss-List@Opensrs. Org
> Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents
> 
> 
> I hadn't realized that this was only made available via the password
> protected VGRS Registrar Support site. I have made them available at
> http://www.byte.org/rc-deletes without a password if you wish 
> to view them
> in MS-Word format.
> 
> -rwr
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Registrars@Dnso. Org" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
> "Discuss-List@Opensrs. Org" <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:01 PM
> Subject: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents
> 
> 
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "VeriSign Global Registry Services" <[email-masked]>
> > To: <[email-masked]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:36 AM
> > Subject: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents
> >
> >
> > To All Registrars:
> >
> > Two documents related to the wait listing service (WLS) 
> have been posted
> to
> > our web site:
> >
> > 1. Revised WLS proposal based on feedback received from 
> registrars and
> other
> > interested and parties
> > 2. Justification for a Registry-based Wait Listing Service document
> >
> > These documents are located at:
> > http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/waitListService.pdf (Revised WLS
> > document)
> > http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/WLS_Justification.pdf 
> (Justification
> > document)
> >
> > Please note the recommended procedures and deadlines for 
> questions and
> > feedback that are contained toward the beginning of the 
> revised proposal.
> > Feedback for these documents should be directed to [email-masked].
> >
> > VeriSign GRS will be distributing these documents to other 
> constituencies
> as
> > well and encouraging responses from all interested parties.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris Sheridan
> > Manager, Customer Service
> > VeriSign Global Registry Services
> > www.verisign-grs.com
> > [email-masked]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:28:30 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents

Oh get off it.

There were TWO posts about it.

Here is exactly what they said:

> Cute.  Both the Revised Proposal and the Justification Document
> require a User ID and Password.

and:
> What is the user-name and what is the password?

And you have the audacity to try and play it up like there were so
many Anti-Verisign comments over it.

Please, Chuck, any respect I had for you playing it straight is out
the door.

You turn two comments, one simply asking for the login data to get to
the documents, and the other simply saying that they required a
password, into some big Anti-Verisign attack and backlash.

You, Sir, are out of line, and you owe this entire assembly an
apology for your comments here.

Tuesday, Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 11:18:08 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:

> Ross,

> What you thought you realized, that the documents were "only made
> available via the password protected VGRS Registrar Support site," was
> in fact WRONG. Moreover, it was extremely inappropriate to cross-post a
> message sent to VeriSign's registrars list to another list.  Nor do I
> simply want to fault Ross because, as other posts have illustrated,
> others jumped to the same false conclusions.

> For all of the conspiracy theorists on this list as well as those who
> cannot see past their anti-VeriSign emotions please note the following:
> 1) the two documents were sent by me to the GA list at 11:49 am EST; 2)
> the two documents were sent to the VGRS registrars list at 12:08 pm; 3)
> some simple arithmetic indicates that the documents were sent to the GA
> list prior to being sent to the private VGRS registrars list.

> I tolerate a lot of garbage on this list, but the posts on this subject
> during the last couple hours have gone beyond my willingness to ignore.
> They provide prime evidence why the GA is often ignored.  And that is
> very unfortunate for the many members of the list who work hard to make
> it a constructive source of input regarding DNSO issues.

> Chuck 

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:[email-masked]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:38 PM
>> To: Ross Wm. Rader; Registrars@Dnso. Org; [email-masked];
>> Discuss-List@Opensrs. Org
>> Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents
>> 
>> 
>> I hadn't realized that this was only made available via the password
>> protected VGRS Registrar Support site. I have made them available at
>> http://www.byte.org/rc-deletes without a password if you wish 
>> to view them
>> in MS-Word format.
>> 
>> -rwr
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
>> To: "Registrars@Dnso. Org" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
>> "Discuss-List@Opensrs. Org" <[email-masked]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:01 PM
>> Subject: [ga] Fw: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "VeriSign Global Registry Services" <[email-masked]>
>> > To: <[email-masked]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:36 AM
>> > Subject: [RegistrarsList] Updated WLS Documents
>> >
>> >
>> > To All Registrars:
>> >
>> > Two documents related to the wait listing service (WLS) 
>> have been posted
>> to
>> > our web site:
>> >
>> > 1. Revised WLS proposal based on feedback received from 
>> registrars and
>> other
>> > interested and parties
>> > 2. Justification for a Registry-based Wait Listing Service document
>> >
>> > These documents are located at:
>> > http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/waitListService.pdf (Revised WLS
>> > document)
>> > http://www.verisign-grs.com/support/WLS_Justification.pdf 
>> (Justification
>> > document)
>> >
>> > Please note the recommended procedures and deadlines for 
>> questions and
>> > feedback that are contained toward the beginning of the 
>> revised proposal.
>> > Feedback for these documents should be directed to [email-masked].
>> >
>> > VeriSign GRS will be distributing these documents to other 
>> constituencies
>> as
>> > well and encouraging responses from all interested parties.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Chris Sheridan
>> > Manager, Customer Service
>> > VeriSign Global Registry Services
>> > www.verisign-grs.com
>> > [email-masked]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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