Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #93
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GA-DIGEST           Thursday, June 29 2000           Volume 01 : Number 093

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:02:57 -0400
From: "Ken Stubbs" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

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the criticism isn't the problem john... it's the following:

"This announcement is sponsored by ADNS,  owner  and registrar for the =
top level domains EARTH, USA and Z.=20
ADNS is a proud supporter of the Open Root Server Consortium.=20

Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice
or a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in
".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and for
more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what you =
can do
to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET,=20
thats WWW.ADNS.NET. "=20

ken stubbs
p.s. this response is sponsored by the Ford Motor Company..... "Ford =
Builds Tough Trucks" ...

=20

- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Palmer <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide =
on 7/7/2000

> >=20
> > this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga =
list =3D
> > !!!
> >=20
> > this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
> >=20
> >=20
> > ken stubbs
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> If its criticism of ICANN, it must be "advertising", eh? No, its =
protected
> speech under US law (and the laws of most civilsed nations).
>=20
> John
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>the criticism isn't the problem john... it's the=20
following:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>"This announcement is sponsored by ADNS,&nbsp;=20
owner&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=3D2>and registrar for the top level =
domains=20
EARTH, USA and Z. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ADNS is a proud supporter of the Open Root Server=20
Consortium.&nbsp;<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that =
your first=20
choice<BR>or a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending =

in<BR>".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain =
and=20
for<BR>more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and =
what you=20
can do<BR>to stop it, visit the ADNS website at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.ADNS.NET">WWW.ADNS.NET</A>, <BR>thats <A=20
href=3D"http://www.ADNS.NET">WWW.ADNS.NET</A>. " </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ken stubbs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>p.s. this response is sponsored by the Ford Motor =
Company.....=20
"Ford Builds Tough Trucks" ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>From: John Palmer &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>To: &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:42 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start =
running=20
nationwide on 7/7/2000</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; this kind of an=20
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:10:20 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

Hello John,

Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 2:31:39 PM, you wrote:

>> 
>> this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga list =
>> !!!
>> 
>> this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
>> 
>> 
>> ken stubbs
>> 
>> 

> If its criticism of ICANN, it must be "advertising", eh? No, its protected
> speech under US law (and the laws of most civilsed nations).

John,

Protected speech is meaningless as an argument for your post being
ontopic or offtopic.  This is not a government agency.

Also, such rights are not absolute.  Your can do your radio ads
(please, it is rather funny to imagine the money you are wasting on
it), but that doesn't mean it was appropriate to post it here.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:11:24 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide  on 7/7/2000

Hello Simon,

Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 4:25:48 PM, you wrote:

> Rick,

> I'm more disgusted and offended by your email than John's. John's statement 
> is protected (especially in light of Canadian and US broadcast regulations) 
> under the 1st Amendment in the US.

No one is disputing his rights to broadcast it at his expense over the
radio.  However, none of that has to do with this forum.  His first
amendment rights have absolutely no bearing here.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:20:29 -0400
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on  7/7/2000

"William X. Walsh" wrote:
> 
> Hello Ken,
> 
> Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 12:30:52 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga list !!!
> 
> > this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
> 
> This is rare.  I agree with Ken Stubbs.  This type of post doesn't
> belong here.

Nonsense. It raises some interesting issues for discussion. It is the first
interesting post I've seen in my 10 days or so on the list.

Methinks we can assume the sender has enough of a clue to know that
it is not effective as advertsing when posted here. If so, he wasn't
advertising to us, merely keeping us informed of developments in his
world.
 
> But it was rather funny to see how ADNS is going to waste so much of
> their money.

Yes. I'm inclined to think anyone who knows enough to understand what
they're trying to do and why it might be important will be able to
see through the hype. Those who don't know enough won't care, so the
ad looks to me like a dead loss for all audiences. Of course, I could
be wrong.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:40:55 -0700
From: "Christopher Ambler" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

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Looks like a perfectly good tagline to a press release. Don't try to =
tell me
that press releases haven't been posted here before. I, for one, =
appreciate
John's post, and read it in the light of, "These are John's opinions, =
and he's
speaking for his company."

And yes, Ford does build tough trucks, I agree.

Christopher
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ken Stubbs=20
  To: John Palmer ; [email-masked]=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 5:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide =
on 7/7/2000

  the criticism isn't the problem john... it's the following:

  "This announcement is sponsored by ADNS,  owner  and registrar for the =
top level domains EARTH, USA and Z.=20
  ADNS is a proud supporter of the Open Root Server Consortium.=20

  Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice
  or a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in
  ".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and =
for
  more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what you =
can do
  to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET,=20
  thats WWW.ADNS.NET. "=20

  ken stubbs
  p.s. this response is sponsored by the Ford Motor Company..... "Ford =
Builds Tough Trucks" ...

  =20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: John Palmer <[email-masked]>
  To: <[email-masked]>
  Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide =
on 7/7/2000

  > >=20
  > > this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga =
list =3D
  > > !!!
  > >=20
  > > this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
  > >=20
  > >=20
  > > ken stubbs
  > >=20
  > >=20
  >=20
  > If its criticism of ICANN, it must be "advertising", eh? No, its =
protected
  > speech under US law (and the laws of most civilsed nations).
  >=20
  > John
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looks like a perfectly good tagline to =
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  <A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=[email-masked]>Ken =
Stubbs</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
  title=[email-masked]>John Palmer</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
  title=[email-masked]>[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 28, 2000 =
5:02=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Text of Radio =
Ad which=20
  will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>the criticism isn't the problem john... it's the=20
  following:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"This announcement is sponsored by ADNS,&nbsp;=20
  owner&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=3D2>and registrar for the top level =
domains=20
  EARTH, USA and Z. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>ADNS is a proud supporter of the Open Root Server=20
  Consortium.&nbsp;<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that =
your first=20
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ending=20
  in<BR>".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain =
and=20
  for<BR>more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and =
what you=20
  can do<BR>to stop it, visit the ADNS website at <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.ADNS.NET">WWW.ADNS.NET</A>, <BR>thats <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.ADNS.NET">WWW.ADNS.NET</A>. " </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>ken stubbs</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>p.s. this response is sponsored by the Ford Motor=20
  Company..... "Ford Builds Tough Trucks" ...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>From: John Palmer &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>To: &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:42 =
PM</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will =
start running=20
  nationwide on 7/7/2000</FONT></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; this kind of an=20
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  !!!<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; this is a forum for open discussion... =
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  advertising<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; ken =
stubbs<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; If its criticism of ICANN, it must be=20
  "advertising", eh? No, its protected<BR>&gt; speech under US law (and =
the laws=20
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:00:51 -0400
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on  7/7/2000

> John Palmer wrote:
> 
> Things are about to change on the internet and not for the better.
> The US government has sanctioned a new organization, ICANN,

It is far from just the US gov't. ICANN has a lot of international
representation, as it should for an international net.

> to be in charge of internet domains and addresses.

among other things.

> Rather than making the interne> more open, ICANN is restricting
> domain ownership rights and has sold out to powerful special
> interest.

What do you mean by that?

Granted, NSI are greedy, irritating and sometimes incompetent. Do
you think that is ICANN's fault?

Granted also, ICANN is being disgracefully slow getting new TLDs
in place. Can you not do something constructive to speed up the
process, rather than bypassing the whole structure?
 
> There is an alternative. The same characteristics that make the internet
> able to survive a nuclear strike allow

Nice bit of hype, that.

> internet users to go around organizations like ICANN and their
> special interest masters. Alternative domain networks, such as
> the Open Root Server Consortium, allow you to see ALL of the
> sites available on the internet, not just the ones that ICANN 
> wants you to see.

> If you are an Internet provider, you can go around ICANN and 
> make the entire internet available to your users in only 2 minutes.

How many root servers? On what continents? Run by who? If you want
anyone to even consider making their business dependent on this
service, you have some heavy convincing to do. Any competent DNS
admin could build a root server in a few hours or, as you say,
set local DNS to point to your root in minutes. Why should they
take that risk?

> Are
> you an internet user whose ISP is still using the ICANN-controlled domain
> name system? A few simple steps is all it takes for you to bypass ICANN and
> see all of the sites on the internet.
> 
> 
> 
> This announcement is sponsored by ADNS, owner and registrar for the
> top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. ADNS is a proud supporter of
> the Open Root Server Consortium.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:08:04 -0400
From: "Ken Stubbs" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

discuss all you wish simon ...

i just suggested we try to keep the "commercials" out of the rhetoric

if that offends you.... deal with it ...

ken stubbs

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Higgs <[email-masked]>
To: Rick H Wesson <[email-masked]>
Cc: Ken Stubbs <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; John Palmer
<[email-masked]>; Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on
7/7/2000

> Rick,
>
> I'm more disgusted and offended by your email than John's. John's
statement
> is protected (especially in light of Canadian and US broadcast
regulations)
> under the 1st Amendment in the US.
>
> It is a dissenting voice of ICANN's handling of Domain Name issues, and
was
> posted to the General Assembly mailing list of the Domain Name Supporting
> Organization of ICANN. This happens to be the official forum, and news of
> that dissenting voice is entirely appropriate to initiate discussion in
> that context.
>
> You, on the other hand, advocate censorship - to "stop unwanted e-mails" -
> of that which you do not agree. That censorship has absolutely no place in
> an open internet forum.
>
> Whether I agree with the posting or not is totally irrelevant. The point
is
> both you and Ken have attempted to stifle discussion about relevant
current
> events which affect both the public face of ICANN, and the policies that
> are discussed in the DNSO.
>
> The problem I now see is that the message rings truer after your and Ken's
> response than it did when it was originally posted.
>
> >Ken,
> >
> >If we only could stop unwanted e-mails.
> >
> >I suggest the ADNS folks stop using ICANN gTLDs. If they would only
> >use their own gTLDs and not ICANNs I think we all would be alot happier.
> >
> >ttfn,
> >
> >-rick
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Ken Stubbs wrote:
> >
> > > this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga
list !!!
> > >
> > > this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
> > >
> > >
> > > ken stubbs
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: John Palmer
> > >   To: [email-masked]
> > >   Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:05 PM
> > >   Subject: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide
on
> > 7/7/2000
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Things are about to change on the internet and not for the better.
> > >
> > >   The US government has sanctioned a new organization, ICANN, to be
> > >
> > >   in charge of internet domains and addresses. Rather than making the
> > internet
> > >
> > >   more open, ICANN is restricting domain ownership rights and has sold
out
> > >
> > >   to powerful special interest.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   There is an alternative. The same characteristics that make the
internet
> > >
> > >   able to survive a nuclear strike allow internet users to go around
> > >
> > >   organizations like ICANN and their special interest masters.
Alternative
> > >
> > >   domain networks, such as the Open Root Server Consortium, allow you
> > to see
> > >
> > >   ALL of the sites available on the internet, not just the ones that
ICANN
> > >
> > >   wants you to see. If you are an Internet provider, you can go around
> > ICANN and
> > >
> > >   make the entire internet available to your users in only 2 minutes.
Are
> > >
> > >   you an internet user whose ISP is still using the ICANN-controlled
domain
> > >
> > >   name system? A few simple steps is all it takes for you to bypass
> > ICANN and
> > >
> > >   see all of the sites on the internet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   This announcement is sponsored by ADNS, owner and registrar for the
> > >
> > >   top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. ADNS is a proud supporter of
> > >
> > >   the Open Root Server Consortium.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice
> > >
> > >   for a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in
> > >
> > >   ".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and
for
> > >
> > >   more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what
> > you can do
> > >
> > >   to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET,
> > >
> > >   thats WWW.ADNS.NET. Don't let ICANN's special interests hijack the
> > >
> > >   internet and remember, ICANN really means YOU CAN'T
> > >
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:37:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Yingwei Wang <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

Believe me or not, I saved this message and deleted all the others for
about a month.

This doesn't mean I agree with him. I will not change my DNS pointer, I
will not register a domain name from them. I visited their website, just
once and that's all. But at least he talked about domain names, that
matters, right?

Voting rules are important, we should talk about them, but we should talk
about domain names, too. Did anyone suggest a proposal about domain names?

Let's focus our topic. If something is not related to domain names, we may
need not to post it. If something is related to domain names, even it may
offend someone, we still should say it.

Can anyone tell me why you think ADNS will not succeed?

Thanks.

Yingwei

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, John Palmer wrote:

> 
> Things are about to change on the internet and not for the better. 
> 
> The US government has sanctioned a new organization, ICANN, to be 
> 
> in charge of internet domains and addresses. Rather than making the internet
> 
> more open, ICANN is restricting domain ownership rights and has sold out
> 
> to powerful special interest.
> 
> 
> 
> There is an alternative. The same characteristics that make the internet
> 
> able to survive a nuclear strike allow internet users to go around
> 
> organizations like ICANN and their special interest masters. Alternative
> 
> domain networks, such as the Open Root Server Consortium, allow you to see 
> 
> ALL of the sites available on the internet, not just the ones that ICANN
> 
> wants you to see. If you are an Internet provider, you can go around ICANN and
> 
> make the entire internet available to your users in only 2 minutes. Are 
> 
> you an internet user whose ISP is still using the ICANN-controlled domain
> 
> name system? A few simple steps is all it takes for you to bypass ICANN and
> 
> see all of the sites on the internet.
> 
> 
> 
> This announcement is sponsored by ADNS, owner and registrar for the
> 
> top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. ADNS is a proud supporter of 
> 
> the Open Root Server Consortium. 
> 
> 
>  
> Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice
> 
> for a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in
> 
> ".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and for
> 
> more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what you can do
> 
> to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET, 
> 
> thats WWW.ADNS.NET. Don't let ICANN's special interests hijack the 
> 
> internet and remember, ICANN really means YOU CAN'T
> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:41:34 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

At 22:37 28.06.2000 -0400, Yingwei Wang wrote:
>Voting rules are important, we should talk about them, but we should talk
>about domain names, too. Did anyone suggest a proposal about domain names?

the reason to have voting rules is to be able to say something in an 
organized fashion about domain names. This is the *DNSO* GA, after all.

>Can anyone tell me why you think ADNS will not succeed?

My take on ADNS, and any other current "alternative" root, is that it will 
not succeed because nobody in his right mind will use a domain registered 
solely with them in the target address of anything that they hope to make 
money from; the customer base from any current .Z website is only the 
minuscule fraction of the Internet users that have retargeted their 
nameservers.

Cutting off 99.5% of your target audience is not something very many 
business people are particularly fond of.

That's why so many people who dislike ICANN so intensely haven't left the 
party yet - it's the organization controlling the *present* set of root 
nameservers.

                          Harald A

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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 100 11:01:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide

> 
> At 22:37 28.06.2000 -0400, Yingwei Wang wrote:
> >Voting rules are important, we should talk about them, but we should talk
> >about domain names, too. Did anyone suggest a proposal about domain names?
> 
> the reason to have voting rules is to be able to say something in an 
> organized fashion about domain names. This is the *DNSO* GA, after all.
> 
> >Can anyone tell me why you think ADNS will not succeed?
> 
> My take on ADNS, and any other current "alternative" root, is that it will 
> not succeed because nobody in his right mind will use a domain registered 
> solely with them in the target address of anything that they hope to make 
> money from; the customer base from any current .Z website is only the 
> minuscule fraction of the Internet users that have retargeted their 
> nameservers.
> 
> Cutting off 99.5% of your target audience is not something very many 
> business people are particularly fond of.
> 
> That's why so many people who dislike ICANN so intensely haven't left the 
> party yet - it's the organization controlling the *present* set of root 
> nameservers.
> 
>                           Harald A
> 

Many people are NOT just naming their sites something.{USA,EARTH,Z} but
are using these as ALTERNATIVE names for the same website. They realize
that if they don't lock in their chosen EARTH, USA or Z name, that the same
thing might happen to it that happened to their .COM version - it may
end up taken by someone else.

We are succeeding. Visibility of EARTH, USA and Z has grown by a factor of
almost 10 in the last year. USA domains have appeared on domain auction 
sites and have been sold for substantial amounts of money. There are many
sites with .USA names (that also have .COM names, but so what?) 

For the time being, most of the registration fees that we get is used to
run ad campaigns which educate people about ICANN and alternative domain 
root networks.

John
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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 100 16:12:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide

> 
> John and all remaining DNSO Assembly members,
> 
>   John, you must try to understand or remember that Harald along
> with a few others refuse to see the forest for the trees, or purposefully
> remain ignorant and than deny reality.  His comments to which you
> nicely responded to here, are stark evidence of this...  Indeed unfortunate.
> 
> John Palmer wrote:
> 

I find that there are two kinds of behavior from people who disagree. Some
try to call you names and others try to psych you out of continuing to try
because they are afraid you might succeed. I think that Harald fell 
into this last category with his remarks about "silly waste of money". 

I will not be deterred by him or anyone else. 

Yes, it is indeed unfortunate. I expect the next thing to happen is that
my posting privileges to this list will mysteriously disappear just like 
they did for several other people whose opinions differed from the ICANN
politburo. 

We shall see....
John

> > >
> > > At 22:37 28.06.2000 -0400, Yingwei Wang wrote:
> > > >Voting rules are important, we should talk about them, but we should talk
> > > >about domain names, too. Did anyone suggest a proposal about domain names?
> > >
> > > the reason to have voting rules is to be able to say something in an
> > > organized fashion about domain names. This is the *DNSO* GA, after all.
> > >
> > > >Can anyone tell me why you think ADNS will not succeed?
> > >
> > > My take on ADNS, and any other current "alternative" root, is that it will
> > > not succeed because nobody in his right mind will use a domain registered
> > > solely with them in the target address of anything that they hope to make
> > > money from; the customer base from any current .Z website is only the
> > > minuscule fraction of the Internet users that have retargeted their
> > > nameservers.
> > >
> > > Cutting off 99.5% of your target audience is not something very many
> > > business people are particularly fond of.
> > >
> > > That's why so many people who dislike ICANN so intensely haven't left the
> > > party yet - it's the organization controlling the *present* set of root
> > > nameservers.
> > >
> > >                           Harald A
> > >
> >
> > Many people are NOT just naming their sites something.{USA,EARTH,Z} but
> > are using these as ALTERNATIVE names for the same website. They realize
> > that if they don't lock in their chosen EARTH, USA or Z name, that the same
> > thing might happen to it that happened to their .COM version - it may
> > end up taken by someone else.
> >
> > We are succeeding. Visibility of EARTH, USA and Z has grown by a factor of
> > almost 10 in the last year. USA domains have appeared on domain auction
> > sites and have been sold for substantial amounts of money. There are many
> > sites with .USA names (that also have .COM names, but so what?)
> >
> > For the time being, most of the registration fees that we get is used to
> > run ad campaigns which educate people about ICANN and alternative domain
> > root networks.
> >
> > John
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