Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #92
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GA-DIGEST           Thursday, June 29 2000           Volume 01 : Number 092

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:46:28 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Voting rules

At 21:29 27.06.2000 -0400, Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
>         FYI --
>
>         The ICANN Elections Committee has recommended that ICANN use IRV for
>electing the five at-large directors.  (The committee refers to this as
>"Alternative Vote," but it's the same system.)

seems that once we get around to person elections, we can simply modify our 
rules to say that "we follow the same rules as ICANN", then
(and hope they are online :-)

                    Harald

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:29:51 -0500
From: Weisberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Voting rules

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Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

> seems that once we get around to person elections, we can simply modify our
> rules to say that "we follow the same rules as ICANN", then
> (and hope they are online :-)

Here is an interesting side-note:

Robert's Rules of Order, 1990 ed. (where IRV is set out), is copyrighted (which is
why you could not find it online).   Would it be a "fair use" for ICANN to post
the relevant portions?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:37:09 -0500
From: Peter Veeck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Voting rules

It wouldn't look good for an Intellectual Property organization to violate someone
else's Intellectual Property, probably be best to contact the publisher for
permission.

Peter Veeck

Weisberg wrote:

> Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>
> > seems that once we get around to person elections, we can simply modify our
> > rules to say that "we follow the same rules as ICANN", then
> > (and hope they are online :-)
>
> Here is an interesting side-note:
>
> Robert's Rules of Order, 1990 ed. (where IRV is set out), is copyrighted (which is
> why you could not find it online).   Would it be a "fair use" for ICANN to post
> the relevant portions?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:47:07 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Voting rules

Hello Peter,

Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 7:37:09 AM, you wrote:

> It wouldn't look good for an Intellectual Property organization to violate someone
> else's Intellectual Property, probably be best to contact the publisher for
> permission.

ICANN isn't an Intellectual Property organization, according to their
bylaws they are only about technical co-ordination.

(I hope you read that with all of the sarcasm with which it was
intended)

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:05:55 -0500
From: "John Palmer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

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Things are about to change on the internet and not for the better.=20

The US government has sanctioned a new organization, ICANN, to be=20

in charge of internet domains and addresses. Rather than making the =
internet

more open, ICANN is restricting domain ownership rights and has sold out

to powerful special interest.

There is an alternative. The same characteristics that make the internet

able to survive a nuclear strike allow internet users to go around

organizations like ICANN and their special interest masters. Alternative

domain networks, such as the Open Root Server Consortium, allow you to =
see=20

ALL of the sites available on the internet, not just the ones that ICANN

wants you to see. If you are an Internet provider, you can go around =
ICANN and

make the entire internet available to your users in only 2 minutes. Are=20

you an internet user whose ISP is still using the ICANN-controlled =
domain

name system? A few simple steps is all it takes for you to bypass ICANN =
and

see all of the sites on the internet.

This announcement is sponsored by ADNS, owner and registrar for the

top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. ADNS is a proud supporter of=20

the Open Root Server Consortium.=20

=20
Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice

for a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in

".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and for

more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what you =
can do

to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET,=20

thats WWW.ADNS.NET. Don't let ICANN's special interests hijack the=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is an alternative. The same =
characteristics=20
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internet=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>make the entire internet available to =
your users in=20
only 2 minutes. Are </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you an internet user whose ISP is still =
using the=20
ICANN-controlled domain</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>see all of the sites on the =
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. =
ADNS is a proud=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the Open Root Server Consortium. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>&nbsp;<BR>Do you operate a website? =
Are you=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for a domain name was taken? You can =
now obtain a=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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takeover of the=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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interests=20
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:30:52 -0400
From: "Ken Stubbs" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

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this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga list =
!!!

this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising

ken stubbs

- ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: John Palmer=20
  To: [email-masked]=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:05 PM
  Subject: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on =
7/7/2000

  Things are about to change on the internet and not for the better.=20

  The US government has sanctioned a new organization, ICANN, to be=20

  in charge of internet domains and addresses. Rather than making the =
internet

  more open, ICANN is restricting domain ownership rights and has sold =
out

  to powerful special interest.

  =20

  There is an alternative. The same characteristics that make the =
internet

  able to survive a nuclear strike allow internet users to go around

  organizations like ICANN and their special interest masters. =
Alternative

  domain networks, such as the Open Root Server Consortium, allow you to =
see=20

  ALL of the sites available on the internet, not just the ones that =
ICANN

  wants you to see. If you are an Internet provider, you can go around =
ICANN and

  make the entire internet available to your users in only 2 minutes. =
Are=20

  you an internet user whose ISP is still using the ICANN-controlled =
domain

  name system? A few simple steps is all it takes for you to bypass =
ICANN and

  see all of the sites on the internet.

  =20

  This announcement is sponsored by ADNS, owner and registrar for the

  top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. ADNS is a proud supporter of=20

  the Open Root Server Consortium.=20

  =20
  Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice

  for a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in

  ".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and =
for

  more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what you =
can do

  to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET,=20

  thats WWW.ADNS.NET. Don't let ICANN's special interests hijack the=20

  internet and remember, ICANN really means YOU CAN'T

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<DIV><FONT size=3D3>this kind of an advertisement is not at all =
appropriate for=20
the ga list !!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT>this is a forum for open discussion... not =
open=20
advertising</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>ken stubbs</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=[email-masked]>John Palmer</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
  title=[email-masked]>[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 28, 2000 =
1:05=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [ga] Text of Radio Ad =
which will=20
  start running nationwide on 7/7/2000</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>Things are about to change on the =
internet=20
  and not for the better. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The US government has sanctioned a =
new=20
  organization, ICANN, to be </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in charge of internet domains and =
addresses.=20
  Rather than making the internet</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>more open, ICANN is restricting =
domain ownership=20
  rights and has sold out</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to powerful special =
interest.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is an alternative. The same =
characteristics=20
  that make the internet</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>able to survive a nuclear strike =
allow internet=20
  users to go around</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>organizations like ICANN and their =
special=20
  interest masters. Alternative</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>domain networks, such as the Open =
Root Server=20
  Consortium, allow you to see </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ALL of the sites available on the =
internet, not=20
  just the ones that ICANN</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wants you to see. If you are an =
Internet=20
  provider, you can go around ICANN and</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>make the entire internet available to =
your users=20
  in only 2 minutes. Are </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you an internet user whose ISP is =
still using the=20
  ICANN-controlled domain</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>name system? A few simple steps is =
all it takes=20
  for you to bypass ICANN and</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>see all of the sites on the=20
internet.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This announcement is sponsored by =
ADNS, owner and=20
  registrar for the</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. =
ADNS is a=20
  proud supporter of </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the Open Root Server Consortium. =
</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>&nbsp;<BR>Do you operate a =
website? Are you=20
  frustrated that your first choice</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for a domain name was taken? You can =
now obtain a=20
  domain ending in</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register =
an EARTH,=20
  USA or Z domain and for</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>more information about the ICANN =
takeover of the=20
  internet and what you can do</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to stop it, visit the ADNS website at =
<A=20
  href=3D"http://www.ADNS.NET">WWW.ADNS.NET</A>, </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thats <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.ADNS.NET">WWW.ADNS.NET</A>. Don't let ICANN's =
special=20
  interests hijack the </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>internet and remember, ICANN really =
means YOU=20
  CAN'T</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick H Wesson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

Ken,

If we only could stop unwanted e-mails.

I suggest the ADNS folks stop using ICANN gTLDs. If they would only
use their own gTLDs and not ICANNs I think we all would be alot happier.

ttfn,

- -rick

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Ken Stubbs wrote:

> this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga list !!!
> 
> this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
> 
> 
> ken stubbs
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: John Palmer 
>   To: [email-masked] 
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:05 PM
>   Subject: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000
> 
> 
> 
>   Things are about to change on the internet and not for the better. 
> 
>   The US government has sanctioned a new organization, ICANN, to be 
> 
>   in charge of internet domains and addresses. Rather than making the internet
> 
>   more open, ICANN is restricting domain ownership rights and has sold out
> 
>   to powerful special interest.
> 
>    
> 
>   There is an alternative. The same characteristics that make the internet
> 
>   able to survive a nuclear strike allow internet users to go around
> 
>   organizations like ICANN and their special interest masters. Alternative
> 
>   domain networks, such as the Open Root Server Consortium, allow you to see 
> 
>   ALL of the sites available on the internet, not just the ones that ICANN
> 
>   wants you to see. If you are an Internet provider, you can go around ICANN and
> 
>   make the entire internet available to your users in only 2 minutes. Are 
> 
>   you an internet user whose ISP is still using the ICANN-controlled domain
> 
>   name system? A few simple steps is all it takes for you to bypass ICANN and
> 
>   see all of the sites on the internet.
> 
>    
> 
>   This announcement is sponsored by ADNS, owner and registrar for the
> 
>   top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. ADNS is a proud supporter of 
> 
>   the Open Root Server Consortium. 
> 
> 
>    
>   Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice
> 
>   for a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in
> 
>   ".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and for
> 
>   more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what you can do
> 
>   to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET, 
> 
>   thats WWW.ADNS.NET. Don't let ICANN's special interests hijack the 
> 
>   internet and remember, ICANN really means YOU CAN'T
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:09:53 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

Well, but at least this kind of message let us know that there are people
that still thinks that Internet should be in the total anarchy.  And such
kinds of issues are subject not only of the General Assembly, also ICANN
structure since the purposes of ICANN is in part avoid the anarchy and
coordinate the Internet for a better organization and usage of such
resource.

Best Regards
Vany

Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
IT Specialist
Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
Tel: (507) 230-4011 ext 213
Fax: (507) 230-3646
e-mail: [email-masked]
http://www.sdnp.org.pa

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Ken Stubbs wrote:

> this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga list !!!
> 
> this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
> 
> 
> ken stubbs
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: John Palmer 
>   To: [email-masked] 
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:05 PM
>   Subject: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000
> 
> 
> 
>   Things are about to change on the internet and not for the better. 
> 
>   The US government has sanctioned a new organization, ICANN, to be 
> 
>   in charge of internet domains and addresses. Rather than making the internet
> 
>   more open, ICANN is restricting domain ownership rights and has sold out
> 
>   to powerful special interest.
> 
>    
> 
>   There is an alternative. The same characteristics that make the internet
> 
>   able to survive a nuclear strike allow internet users to go around
> 
>   organizations like ICANN and their special interest masters. Alternative
> 
>   domain networks, such as the Open Root Server Consortium, allow you to see 
> 
>   ALL of the sites available on the internet, not just the ones that ICANN
> 
>   wants you to see. If you are an Internet provider, you can go around ICANN and
> 
>   make the entire internet available to your users in only 2 minutes. Are 
> 
>   you an internet user whose ISP is still using the ICANN-controlled domain
> 
>   name system? A few simple steps is all it takes for you to bypass ICANN and
> 
>   see all of the sites on the internet.
> 
>    
> 
>   This announcement is sponsored by ADNS, owner and registrar for the
> 
>   top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. ADNS is a proud supporter of 
> 
>   the Open Root Server Consortium. 
> 
> 
>    
>   Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice
> 
>   for a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in
> 
>   ".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and for
> 
>   more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what you can do
> 
>   to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET, 
> 
>   thats WWW.ADNS.NET. Don't let ICANN's special interests hijack the 
> 
>   internet and remember, ICANN really means YOU CAN'T
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:10:35 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

Hello Ken,

Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 12:30:52 PM, you wrote:

> this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga list !!!

> this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising

This is rare.  I agree with Ken Stubbs.  This type of post doesn't
belong here.

But it was rather funny to see how ADNS is going to waste so much of
their money.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 100 17:31:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

> 
> this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga list =
> !!!
> 
> this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
> 
> 
> ken stubbs
> 
> 

If its criticism of ICANN, it must be "advertising", eh? No, its protected
speech under US law (and the laws of most civilsed nations).

John
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:25:48 -0700
From: Simon Higgs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 7/7/2000

Rick,

I'm more disgusted and offended by your email than John's. John's statement 
is protected (especially in light of Canadian and US broadcast regulations) 
under the 1st Amendment in the US.

It is a dissenting voice of ICANN's handling of Domain Name issues, and was 
posted to the General Assembly mailing list of the Domain Name Supporting 
Organization of ICANN. This happens to be the official forum, and news of 
that dissenting voice is entirely appropriate to initiate discussion in 
that context.

You, on the other hand, advocate censorship - to "stop unwanted e-mails" - 
of that which you do not agree. That censorship has absolutely no place in 
an open internet forum.

Whether I agree with the posting or not is totally irrelevant. The point is 
both you and Ken have attempted to stifle discussion about relevant current 
events which affect both the public face of ICANN, and the policies that 
are discussed in the DNSO.

The problem I now see is that the message rings truer after your and Ken's 
response than it did when it was originally posted.

>Ken,
>
>If we only could stop unwanted e-mails.
>
>I suggest the ADNS folks stop using ICANN gTLDs. If they would only
>use their own gTLDs and not ICANNs I think we all would be alot happier.
>
>ttfn,
>
>-rick
>
>
>On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Ken Stubbs wrote:
>
> > this kind of an advertisement is not at all appropriate for the ga list !!!
> >
> > this is a forum for open discussion... not open advertising
> >
> >
> > ken stubbs
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: John Palmer
> >   To: [email-masked]
> >   Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:05 PM
> >   Subject: [ga] Text of Radio Ad which will start running nationwide on 
> 7/7/2000
> >
> >
> >
> >   Things are about to change on the internet and not for the better.
> >
> >   The US government has sanctioned a new organization, ICANN, to be
> >
> >   in charge of internet domains and addresses. Rather than making the 
> internet
> >
> >   more open, ICANN is restricting domain ownership rights and has sold out
> >
> >   to powerful special interest.
> >
> >
> >
> >   There is an alternative. The same characteristics that make the internet
> >
> >   able to survive a nuclear strike allow internet users to go around
> >
> >   organizations like ICANN and their special interest masters. Alternative
> >
> >   domain networks, such as the Open Root Server Consortium, allow you 
> to see
> >
> >   ALL of the sites available on the internet, not just the ones that ICANN
> >
> >   wants you to see. If you are an Internet provider, you can go around 
> ICANN and
> >
> >   make the entire internet available to your users in only 2 minutes. Are
> >
> >   you an internet user whose ISP is still using the ICANN-controlled domain
> >
> >   name system? A few simple steps is all it takes for you to bypass 
> ICANN and
> >
> >   see all of the sites on the internet.
> >
> >
> >
> >   This announcement is sponsored by ADNS, owner and registrar for the
> >
> >   top level domains EARTH, USA and Z. ADNS is a proud supporter of
> >
> >   the Open Root Server Consortium.
> >
> >
> >
> >   Do you operate a website? Are you frustrated that your first choice
> >
> >   for a domain name was taken? You can now obtain a domain ending in
> >
> >   ".EARTH", ".USA" or ".Z". To register an EARTH, USA or Z domain and for
> >
> >   more information about the ICANN takeover of the internet and what 
> you can do
> >
> >   to stop it, visit the ADNS website at WWW.ADNS.NET,
> >
> >   thats WWW.ADNS.NET. Don't let ICANN's special interests hijack the
> >
> >   internet and remember, ICANN really means YOU CAN'T
> >
>
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Best Regards,

Simon Higgs

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