Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #82
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GA-DIGEST             Friday, June 9 2000             Volume 01 : Number 082

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:35:41 -0700
From: Darrell Greenwood <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: GA-DIGEST V1 #81

At 1:18 AM -0700 6/8/00, GA-DIGEST wrote:

>. ok next topic - has anyone noticed our pin numbers doen't work?

Mine did. After I decided my PIN was 10 characters long and included
the characters 'PIN-'.

Cheers,

Darrell

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Date: Thu,  8 Jun 2000 12:44:13 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: GA-DIGEST V1 #81

Hi.

Ain't that interesting that some people are able to forge E-Mails, but 
unable to enter a 10-char string correctly? ;>)

Regards
Roberto

>At 1:18 AM -0700 6/8/00, GA-DIGEST wrote:
>
>>. ok next topic - has anyone noticed our pin numbers doen't work?
>
>Mine did. After I decided my PIN was 10 characters long and included
>the characters 'PIN-'.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Darrell
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Date: Thu,  8 Jun 2000 12:51:58 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Tr: sans objet

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Good morning.

Just in case somebody had a doubt, the attached E-Mail did not come from
 me, but was forged.
For the people that joined only recently, be aware that this happened 
before.

Regards
Roberto

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:13:38 +0200 (MET DST)
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Such a pretty little girl,
her hair all done in curls - 
it's magic - do dum dee doo

Ester your that girl,
you twat's a little perl -
it's magic - do dum dee doo

 ok next topic - has anyone noticed our pin numbers doen't work?

It's magic - dumdeee deee dummmmm - do do

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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:42:56 +0200
From: Mark Measday <[email-masked]>
Subject: Voting procedure [Was: Re: [ga] List Rule(s) Proposal: Disorderly Words]  (fwd)

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Harald, in view of the previous correspondence concerning list rules and
posting rights,
can we hope you authenticate the right Roberto, please?

A casual glance at the headers seems to indicate the source of this
forgery is
the same as that of the [email-masked], which I had always
assumed
was not only the real Roberto Gaetano, or at least the instances of the
man 
of that name met at the conventions, and also the same as
[email-masked], 
although ETSI say he doesn't work there, and [email-masked]
and
[email-masked]. However, I defer to your superior
understanding of
these matters.

I think it is important to know whether any of these are impostors or
not,
particularly from the point of view of the archived correspondence. My
understanding of the current state of the list rules is that this is
your
responsibility alone, and no application can be made to list members in
case of 
suspension of posting rights or other sanction. I am not suggesting that
posting 
rights for [email-masked] be suspended, merely that the
credibility of his
posts for all except a technical elite is irretrievably damaged until
such positive
authentication is made, and as such it should be done as immediately as
possible 
for his benefit.

MM

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> Good morning.
>
> Just in case somebody had a doubt, the attached E-Mail did not come from
>  me, but was forged.
> For the people that joined only recently, be aware that this happened
> before.
>
> Regards
> Roberto
>
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>
> Subject:
> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:13:38 +0200 (MET DST)
> From: [email-masked]
>
> Such a pretty little girl,
> her hair all done in curls -
> it's magic - do dum dee doo
>
> Ester your that girl,
> you twat's a little perl -
> it's magic - do dum dee doo
>
>  ok next topic - has anyone noticed our pin numbers doen't work?
>
> It's magic - dumdeee deee dummmmm - do do
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:14:50 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Voting procedure [Was: Re: [ga] List Rule(s) Proposal: Disorderly Words]  (fwd)

Hello Mark,

Thursday, June 08, 2000, 5:42:56 AM, you wrote:

MM> Harald, in view of the previous correspondence concerning list rules and
MM> posting rights,
MM> can we hope you authenticate the right Roberto, please?

MM> A casual glance at the headers seems to indicate the source of this
MM> forgery is
MM> the same as that of the [email-masked], which I had always
MM> assumed
MM> was not only the real Roberto Gaetano, or at least the instances of the
MM> man 
MM> of that name met at the conventions, and also the same as
MM> [email-masked], 
MM> although ETSI say he doesn't work there, and [email-masked]
MM> and
MM> [email-masked]. However, I defer to your superior
MM> understanding of
MM> these matters.

MM> I think it is important to know whether any of these are impostors or
MM> not,
MM> particularly from the point of view of the archived correspondence. My
MM> understanding of the current state of the list rules is that this is
MM> your
MM> responsibility alone, and no application can be made to list members in
MM> case of 
MM> suspension of posting rights or other sanction. I am not suggesting that
MM> posting 
MM> rights for [email-masked] be suspended, merely that the
MM> credibility of his
MM> posts for all except a technical elite is irretrievably damaged until
MM> such positive
MM> authentication is made, and as such it should be done as immediately as
MM> possible 
MM> for his benefit.

Learn how to read email headers, Mark.

Received: from test.org (osh-on1-54.netcom.ca [207.181.79.54])
        by dnso.dnso.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04524
        for [email-masked]; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:13:38 +0200 (MET DST)

It clearly originated from a place in Canada which, surprisingly, is
in very close proximity to the person guilty of the extensive forgery
of posts on this forum in the not too distant past.  (Sarcasm
intended)

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:18:23 -0700
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Voting procedure [Was: Re: [ga] List Rule(s) Proposal: Disorderly Words] (fwd)

On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:42:56PM +0200, Mark Measday wrote:
> A casual glance at the headers seems to indicate the source of this
> forgery is
> the same as that of the [email-masked],

Sorry, not even close.  A casual glance at the headers gives a rather
different impression:

  Received: from test.org (osh-on1-54.netcom.ca [207.181.79.54])     
          by dnso.dnso.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04524                
          for [email-masked]; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:13:38 +0200 (MET DST)

The forger also cut/pasted part of the headers of the previous message, 
in an apparent attempt to obscure the "Received" headers, but tripped 
up on end of line conventions, or just screwed up:

Received: from 161.5.64.204 by voila.fr with HTTP; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:47:52
+0200 (MET DST)^MFrom: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>^MReply-To:
[email-masked]^MTo: <[email-masked]>

etc

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:03:18 -0700
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Voting procedure [Was: Re: [ga] List Rule(s) Proposal: Disorderly Words]  (fwd)

On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 07:14:50AM -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> 
> Received: from test.org (osh-on1-54.netcom.ca [207.181.79.54])
>         by dnso.dnso.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04524
>         for [email-masked]; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:13:38 +0200 (MET DST)
> 
> It clearly originated from a place in Canada which, surprisingly, is
> in very close proximity to the person guilty of the extensive forgery
> of posts on this forum in the not too distant past.  (Sarcasm
> intended)

Several interesting things, though: 1) JB has in the past *always* clearly
indicated that it was a forgery; 2) the attempt to insert the obscuring
"received" headers stumbled over EOL conventions, but note that the 
view Mr Measday's mail reader gave him of the headers didn't catch this -- 
in fact, apparently the view Mr Measday's mail reader gave was such 
that the headers looked normal to him, and showed a path to Roberto's 
mailhost; 3) JB hasn't used this obscuring technique in the past; and 4) 
the style of the "poetry" isn't quite the same.

However, the Canadian address (must be the water) is very suggestive.

:-)

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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 02:15:59 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Forged Emails

Mark Measday wrote:

> Harald, in view of the previous correspondence concerning list rules and
> posting rights, can we hope you authenticate the right Roberto, please?

Let me say that I have no doubt that the email referred to by Roberto
Gaetano is indeed a forgery.  Apart from the tracking details, it's
interesting for several reasons.  Some of these are:

(1)    The true Roberto Gaetano shows the From address as "Roberto Gaetano"
but the forgery shows it as [email-masked].

(2)    The forgery is addressed to Mark Measday with a copy to GA.  One
wonders why the forger wouldn't just send it to GA.  [That's a puzzle don't
you think, Mark?]

(3)    In my copy there is a character in the word between "numbers" and
"work".  This is in the shape of a square.  If I represent this character by
an asterisk, the faulty word is "doe*n't".  Is this a transmission error or
what?

(4)    The spelling has several mistakes.  I'm not sure about "Ester".  The
mistakes are as follows:

(a)    "your that girl" should be "you're that girl"
(b)    "little perl" should be "little pearl"
(c)    "doe*n't" should be "don't" (rather than "doesn't")

As only a few subscribers to the list make these sort of spelling mistakes,
this might narrow down the field somewhat.

Patrick Corliss

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:00:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Voting procedure [Was: Re: [ga] List Rule(s) Proposal: Disorderly Words]  (fwd)

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Kent Crispin wrote:

> Several interesting things, though: 1) JB has in the past *always* clearly
> indicated that it was a forgery; 2) the attempt to insert the obscuring
> "received" headers stumbled over EOL conventions, but note that the 
> view Mr Measday's mail reader gave him of the headers didn't catch this -- 
> in fact, apparently the view Mr Measday's mail reader gave was such 
> that the headers looked normal to him, and showed a path to Roberto's 
> mailhost; 3) JB hasn't used this obscuring technique in the past; and 4) 
> the style of the "poetry" isn't quite the same.

How true - a proper Dr. Baptista forgery is always clearly identified as a
Dr. Baptista forgery.

Example:

This is not Kent Crispin - this is Joe Baptista posing as Kent Crispin.

Even the poetry as Kent has clearly indicated is substandard.

> However, the Canadian address (must be the water) is very suggestive.

and now for some real poetry:

There once was a woman called Esther
she was married to our uncle Fester
he kept her oiled, tuned and clean
like a first class fucking machine
and the IBM lawyers all blessed her.

regards
Joe Baptista

P.S.  Please consider this message a continuing proptest against GA
censorship.

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Date: Fri,  9 Jun 2000 18:57:33 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Voting procedure

Folks,

If I remember correctly, we were about to discuss the voting procedures.

May I repeat the question: "Shall we publish the procedure 'as is' and 
go to an approval thereof, or do we need further discussion?".

See reference below.

>
>The initial proposal, from HTA, is in the archives at:
>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc04/msg00304.html
>
>It was later amended following some concerns (please refer to the 
>archives), as follows:
>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc04/msg00309.html
>

Best regards
Roberto
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