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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:11:23 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Yokohama

Hi.

Maybe you already know from the archives of the discussions in the NC.
Thanks to a sponsorship of Melbourne IT, the DNSO meetings (GA + NC) 
will be webcast.
For any update on the Yokohama meeting, check frequently the information
 posted at http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20000711.dnso-yokohama.html.

Another site to check out is the Salzburg Seminar.
They have pages related to the ICANN Travel Support Project - see http:/
/www.icann.salzburgseminar.org/.

Regards
Roberto
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:50:52 -0400
From: "Ben Edelman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Yokohama Remote Participation -- Feedback Requested

As Roberto wrote in his last message, the DNSO's sessions will indeed be
webcast, as will the GAC's Public Forum, the ICANN Public Forum, and the
meeting of ICANN's Board of Directors.

As in prior ICANN meetings, I'll be overseeing the webcast and remote
participation system.  With some six weeks left before the meetings, it
seems appropriate to solicit suggestions for improvements to the remote
participation system.  I welcome general comments, either on- or off-list,
but in particular I'm interested in the following specific questions:

* ICANN's Yokohama meetings will take place during the Yokohama day, which
is during the night for the majority of remote participants from prior ICANN
meetings (as tabulated on
<http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/archive/remoteparticipants-geograp
hy.html>).  How, if at all, can technology help bridge these gaps?  In
recent ICANN meetings, we've experimented with putting up complete archives
(including not just text documents but also RealVideo) immediately after the
conclusion of each day's meetings and with sending reminder messages to all
participants and preregistrants at both the beginning and end of each day's
meetings.  Is there more that can be done?  If so, what?

* We have considered and experimented with a number of enhancements to the
remote participation system that enrich the experience of high-bandwidth
users.  For example, the webcast video signal can be sent at a variety of
bitrates, allowing high-speed users to receive a higher-quality
transmission.  Furthermore, a dual-frame RealVideo allows simultaneous
display of "talking heads" and scribe's notes/presentations, but it is only
accessible to users with 56Kbps+ (or, ideally, even faster) connectivity.
These improvements are thought by some to be quite beneficial, but they put
low-bandwidth users at a relative disadvantage as compared to those with
faster connectivity.  To what extent should these and other
bandwidth-contingent improvements be made?  Should we focus on improving the
"richest" level of participation as much as possible?  Or should we instead
take precautions to assure that all users have the same access to remote
participation -- refraining from making bandwidth-intensive improvements if
data previously collected suggests that they'll be accessible to only a
portion of remote participants?

* Scribing -- the unofficial real-time notetaking by a staff person in the
meeting room (for simultaneous and archived posting to the web, and perhaps
also for broadcast in a dual-frame video transmission) -- is somewhat
unusual and, according to some, a bit distracting.  Should it be continued?
Might it be improved in some way?

More details about plans for Yokohama remote participation are posted at
<http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama>.

Ben Edelman
Berkman Center for Internet and Society
Harvard Law School

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:07:59 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Mikael Pawlo <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Status of ICANN PINs

Did you apply for ICANN membership?
Are you still waiting for the PINs?

So did I, but thanks to Esther Dyson I can tell you that they're being
sent this week.  To save money, ICANN is sending them in bulk, all at once
(at least the applications so far).

Regards,

Mikael

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:06:41 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Status of ICANN PINs

Mikael and all,

  Than how come after many requests for updates on this, has ICANN
not responded?

Mikael Pawlo wrote:

> Did you apply for ICANN membership?
> Are you still waiting for the PINs?
>
> So did I, but thanks to Esther Dyson I can tell you that they're being
> sent this week.  To save money, ICANN is sending them in bulk, all at once
> (at least the applications so far).
>
> Regards,
>
> Mikael
>
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:24:26 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Yokohama Remote Participation -- Feedback Requested

>* Scribing -- the unofficial real-time notetaking by a staff person in the
>meeting room (for simultaneous and archived posting to the web, and perhaps
>also for broadcast in a dual-frame video transmission) -- is somewhat
>unusual and, according to some, a bit distracting.

Probably only my those who are worried that their comments will be 
recorded in Internet history.

>   Should it be continued?

Absolutely.

>Might it be improved in some way?

ICANN-minutes IRC channel (seperate to the normal remote comments 
one) with write access only for the scribe.

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:01:55 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Yokohama Remote Participation -- Feedback Requested

Hello Andy,

Thursday, May 25, 2000, 4:24:26 PM, you wrote:

>>* Scribing -- the unofficial real-time notetaking by a staff person in the
>>meeting room (for simultaneous and archived posting to the web, and perhaps
>>also for broadcast in a dual-frame video transmission) -- is somewhat
>>unusual and, according to some, a bit distracting.

AG> Probably only my those who are worried that their comments will be 
AG> recorded in Internet history.

>>   Should it be continued?

AG> Absolutely.

Add my voice to this.  Of course it should be continued.

>>Might it be improved in some way?

AG> ICANN-minutes IRC channel (seperate to the normal remote comments 
AG> one) with write access only for the scribe.

Interesting proposal, and one I hope gets looked at.

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:04:55 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Yokohama Remote Participation -- Feedback Requested

Andy and all remaining assembly members,

  We have been down this path before, in fact on every single occasion
in which an ICANN meeting has occurred.  And still there is as there has
been poor to barely adequate electronic participation despite the
ICANN Boards promise for such, and requirement in it's
own bylaws.

  In short here though we [INEGroup] are in agreement with Andy's
comments here, as well as having real time Internet Video conferencing.

Andy Gardner wrote:

> >* Scribing -- the unofficial real-time notetaking by a staff person in the
> >meeting room (for simultaneous and archived posting to the web, and perhaps
> >also for broadcast in a dual-frame video transmission) -- is somewhat
> >unusual and, according to some, a bit distracting.
>
> Probably only my those who are worried that their comments will be
> recorded in Internet history.
>
> >   Should it be continued?
>
> Absolutely.
>
> >Might it be improved in some way?
>
> ICANN-minutes IRC channel (seperate to the normal remote comments
> one) with write access only for the scribe.
>
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:23:47 -0500
From: Vany Martinez <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Yokohama Remote Participation -- Feedback Requested 

Dear Ben:

[Ben]
* Scribing -- the unofficial real-time notetaking by a staff person in the
meeting room (for simultaneous and archived posting to the web, and perhaps
also for broadcast in a dual-frame video transmission) -- is somewhat
unusual and, according to some, a bit distracting.  Should it be continued?
Might it be improved in some way?

[Vany]
Of course this might continue.  In fact is very usefull for non-english
native speaking people that attends phisically the meeting and sometimes loose
one word or two.  

And in this issue I want to recomend something else that can be very helpfull
in reading this minutes and can increase the remote participation all over the
world.

I want to propose real-time-scribres that translates to other langauages all
the minutes taken, also in real-time.  Of course, I understand that this maybe
requires additonal equipment like another screen to be seen in the other
languages, for example.  

Also I understand that such staff can raise more expenses to ICANN because
such staff for sure will not be able to pay themselves their expenses (like air
ticket and hosting, for example).  

But,  instead of such staff travelling, they can translate what they
see in the webcast and open different channels for the translations in several
languages and all it can be done from computers all over the world without
attending physically ICANN meetings!!!

Of course, I advice that such staff be hired and paid for their time:  But
whatever ICANN pays for such service always would be much more cheaper than
paying air tickets and hotel expenses for people that do such translations on
site of the meetings!!!

Best Regards
Vany

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:27:21 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Yokohama Remote Participation -- Feedback Requested

>[Vany]
>Of course this might continue.  In fact is very usefull for non-english
>native speaking people that attends phisically the meeting and sometimes loose
>one word or two. 
>
>And in this issue I want to recomend something else that can be very helpfull
>in reading this minutes and can increase the remote participation all over the
>world.
>
>I want to propose real-time-scribres that translates to other langauages all
>the minutes taken, also in real-time.  Of course, I understand that this maybe
>requires additonal equipment like another screen to be seen in the other
>languages, for example. 
>
>Also I understand that such staff can raise more expenses to ICANN because
>such staff for sure will not be able to pay themselves their 
>expenses (like air
>ticket and hosting, for example). 
>
>But,  instead of such staff travelling, they can translate what they
>see in the webcast and open different channels for the translations in several
>languages and all it can be done from computers all over the world without
>attending physically ICANN meetings!!!

Bingo!

Multiple IRC channels with remote translators watching the main 
scribe's English channel and rela-time translating into a different 
channel for each language.

Good thinking Vany!

>Of course, I advice that such staff be hired and paid for their time:  But
>whatever ICANN pays for such service always would be much more cheaper than
>paying air tickets and hotel expenses for people that do such translations on
>site of the meetings!!!

Using the Internet wisely. Could this be a first for ICANN.

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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:10:29 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Yokohama Remote Participation -- Feedback Requested

Andy and all,

  This is of course a very good idea.  However it has been suggested
on several occasions before, by several people...

Andy Gardner wrote:

> >[Vany]
> >Of course this might continue.  In fact is very usefull for non-english
> >native speaking people that attends phisically the meeting and sometimes loose
> >one word or two.
> >
> >And in this issue I want to recomend something else that can be very helpfull
> >in reading this minutes and can increase the remote participation all over the
> >world.
> >
> >I want to propose real-time-scribres that translates to other langauages all
> >the minutes taken, also in real-time.  Of course, I understand that this maybe
> >requires additonal equipment like another screen to be seen in the other
> >languages, for example.
> >
> >Also I understand that such staff can raise more expenses to ICANN because
> >such staff for sure will not be able to pay themselves their
> >expenses (like air
> >ticket and hosting, for example).
> >
> >But,  instead of such staff travelling, they can translate what they
> >see in the webcast and open different channels for the translations in several
> >languages and all it can be done from computers all over the world without
> >attending physically ICANN meetings!!!
>
> Bingo!
>
> Multiple IRC channels with remote translators watching the main
> scribe's English channel and rela-time translating into a different
> channel for each language.
>
> Good thinking Vany!
>
> >Of course, I advice that such staff be hired and paid for their time:  But
> >whatever ICANN pays for such service always would be much more cheaper than
> >paying air tickets and hotel expenses for people that do such translations on
> >site of the meetings!!!
>
> Using the Internet wisely. Could this be a first for ICANN.
>
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:44:00 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Yokohama Remote Participation -- Feedback Requested

Hello Andy,

Thursday, May 25, 2000, 8:27:21 PM, you wrote:

AG> Using the Internet wisely. Could this be a first for ICANN.

Don't hold your breath.  ICANN has illustrated a tremdous talent for
doing nearly everything that it does "unwisely."  And the DNSO/NC is
following in ICANN's grand tradition rather well.

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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:07:19 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Yokohama

At 20:11 25/05/00 +0200, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

>Another site to check out is the Salzburg Seminar.
>They have pages related to the ICANN Travel Support Project - see http:/
>/www.icann.salzburgseminar.org/.
>

And then you will find that if you don't belong to the NCDNHC, your
application is a waste of time.
see www.icann.salzburgseminar.org/guidelines.htm

- --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--  
the Cyberspace Association,
the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
http://www.idno.org  

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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:40:43 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Status of ICANN PINs

Mikael,

>Did you apply for ICANN membership?
>Are you still waiting for the PINs?
>
>So did I, but thanks to Esther Dyson I can tell you that they're being
>sent this week.  To save money, ICANN is sending them in bulk, all at 
once
>(at least the applications so far).

Thanks for the info.

BTW, personally I found that to save money on several thousand stamps is
, at the end, a rather wise decision. In particular considering that 
there was no pressure to have them out earlier, was it?

Regards
Roberto
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