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GA-DIGEST         Thursday, February 17 2000         Volume 01 : Number 004

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:29:52 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Illigitimate Haralds Edict Re: [ga] Warning: [email-masked] is sending directly

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 [email-masked] wrote:

>   Yes I am BCC'ing everyone as I am on the DNSO mailing list
> but and being SELECTIVELY CENSORED without just cause.
> This has happened several times before.  This is just another
> of Haralds many less than honest grandstanding amaturistic
> statements.

Good for you - I for one support your protest.  It is you right to appeal
to the membership - and you can present this letter to aol in support of
your position.

and if you need my extensive list of member - you let me know.

God bless those who would fight for the right of fair assembly without the
oversight of hethens.

regards
joe baptista

> David "Dude" Jenson
> 
> In a message dated 2/17/00 1:07:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [email-masked] writes:
> 
> << To all GA members:
>  
>  The mail alias known as [email-masked], which has been denied posting 
>  rights to the GA list, has taken up the habit of BCCing known members of 
>  the GA list on mail not addressed to them, as seen in the attached header 
> copy.
>  
>  There is nothing the list maintainers can do to stop this, unfortunately; 
>  if you think this is mass, unsolicited email, and want to complain about 
>  it, the only possible point of complaint (AFAIK) is [email-masked].
>  
>  The only thing the list members can do about it on the list is to avoid 
>  replying to these messages.
>  
>                        Harald Tveit Alvestrand >>
> 

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:28:57 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Warning: [email-masked] is sending directly

I wish to advise AOL that Mr. Walsh is not to be taken
seriously.  The address [email-masked] is a member of this assembly of
the the Domain Name Supporting Organization of the Internet Corporation
for Assigned Names and Numbers - under contract to the department of
commerce - US government.

As an assembly member - [email-masked] has every right to communicate
with the membership of the [email-masked].

No one in the GA is in charge - it is a free assembly under duress by evil
abusive people.

Regards
Joe baptista

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, William X. Walsh wrote:

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> postmaster@aol also works, and usually gets dealt with quickly.
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> On 17-Feb-2000 Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> > To all GA members:
> > 
> > The mail alias known as [email-masked], which has been denied posting 
> > rights to the GA list, has taken up the habit of BCCing known members of 
> > the GA list on mail not addressed to them, as seen in the attached header
> > copy.
> > 
> > There is nothing the list maintainers can do to stop this, unfortunately; 
> > if you think this is mass, unsolicited email, and want to complain about 
> > it, the only possible point of complaint (AFAIK) is [email-masked].
> > 
> > The only thing the list members can do about it on the list is to avoid 
> > replying to these messages.
> > 
> >                       Harald Tveit Alvestrand
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:43:19 +0100
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Warning: [email-masked] is sending directly

At 06:04 17.02.00 -0500, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

>won't work - been tried - failed.  Also he has the right to appeal to the
>membership.  He is a member .. and god bless them all for it.

Correction: Jeff Williams is a member. dnsipv6 is a false front.

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:18:44 +0100 (MET)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Cairo

Who is going to Cairo?

Regards
Roberto
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:15:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick Greenwell <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] disclaimer 

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Christopher Ambler wrote:

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> Harald, I'm afraid I cannot abide by this. If you want equal
> treatment, ban them BOTH. But to ignore his request is to
> fly in the face of the rules that YOU SET DOWN.
> 
> I don't agree with the rules, but you made this bed, it's
> time that you lay in it.
> 

I must agree. 

Harald, you are displaying a *GREAT* deal of personal bias in your
judgement. There has been a request to filter someone based on  language
that is well outside the scope of the supposed civil discourse
rules of the list. If the rules are to apply equitably, they must be
applied EQUALLY. 

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:31:12 +0100 (MET)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] disclaimer 

Harald,

You wrote:
>
>let me see - this is the same person who has been accusing people of 
fraud, 
>comparing them to Hitler, calling them drunks or executioners, and even
 
>"premadonnas" (whatever that is) - not to mention casting aspersions on
 
>their morals, competence, honesty and intelligence.
>
>All of which went unremarked and uncensored.
>

Exactly! ;>)

But why does this surprise you?

I cannot speak for others, but for myself, the insults are weighted by 
my opinion of the "insulter".
If I get a reproach by people like Karl Auerbach, just to make an 
example, I will feel very upset, but probably you will never see me 
complain about what Joe Baptista sais about me: I just don't care.

(Of course, other people may feel differently, and your job is to make 
an "objective" evaluation of the offense before taking action on a 
complaint - but I just wanted to let you know why I did not file one)

Regards
Roberto

P.S.: "Premadonna" is probably the style of singing before the arrival 
of Madonna, as opposed to "postmadonna".
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:54:02 +0100
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Use of "loon"

So far, every single message I have had suggests that calling Joe Baptista 
a loon is language that should cause the utterer's suspension from the list.

If that's a common opinion on the list, I will modify my judgment criteria 
accordingly.

Note that the revised judgment criteria will also include a number of other 
words formerly tolerated; they are (in my judgment) weaker than 
"horse-shitters", but stronger than "loon".

Is that OK with everyone?

                          Harald

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:22:19 +0100 (MET)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Number of messages

Folks,

Several people have pointed out to me that another real problem is the 
huge number of messages, and that the limitation in the number of 
postings per day (and probably the max size of a message, but this has 
not shown up as a problem) will be even more important than the 
elimination of "incivil" discourse.

I agree with these people.
Personally, I think that the interaction between two or three people on 
a single item, made often to "get the final word" on a subject more than
 to explain the point of view, is very similar to a "private" debate 
that interrupts the flow of the speakers in a physical meeting, and it 
is generally considered something to be avoided.

I had different suggestions, ranging from 2 to 10 messages per day per 
person (per subscriber, in reality).

With reference to the list rules - see http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga
/Arc03/msg00447.html, quoted below:

>>- If the GA Chair or Sergeant-at-arms asks for a limit to the nuber of
 posts
>>  per person per day, this must be respected

I am recommending the list administrator to limit the maximum number of 
messages that any subscriber can send per day to 5.

Best regards
Roberto
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:28:03 -0800 (PST)
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] disclaimer

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On 17-Feb-2000 Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Christopher Ambler wrote:
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>> Harald, I'm afraid I cannot abide by this. If you want equal
>> treatment, ban them BOTH. But to ignore his request is to
>> fly in the face of the rules that YOU SET DOWN.
>> 
>> I don't agree with the rules, but you made this bed, it's
>> time that you lay in it.
>> 
> 
> I must agree. 
> 
> Harald, you are displaying a *GREAT* deal of personal bias in your
> judgement. There has been a request to filter someone based on  language
> that is well outside the scope of the supposed civil discourse
> rules of the list. If the rules are to apply equitably, they must be
> applied EQUALLY. 

Sorry, Patrick, but I have a hard time with your position that the word loon is
as "well outside the scope of the supposed civil discourse" as the only other
action take under this clause, which was against the word horsesh*tters.

To even equate the two in this context is amusing.   I was being very
restrained, by the way.

That said, however, I've already made my position and response known to Howard.
And I told him to bounce me  :)  But not because I think the complaint has
merit, because I don't.   However, I will say this, Baptista had better walk a
very fine line from this point on.  Anything even remotely a slight said on
this list by him will result in a complaint if this is the level of complaint
you and the others think is serious.  And then that will create the endless
rounds of him and JW "defending" Joe's position.  

So if that's what level you want the rules to apply to, a level it really
shouldn't, then thats exactly what you'll get.

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:51:56 -0800
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] disclaimer

On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 09:15:22AM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Christopher Ambler wrote:
> 
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> > Harald, I'm afraid I cannot abide by this. If you want equal
> > treatment, ban them BOTH. But to ignore his request is to
> > fly in the face of the rules that YOU SET DOWN.
> > 
> > I don't agree with the rules, but you made this bed, it's
> > time that you lay in it.
> > 
> 
> I must agree. 
> 
> Harald, you are displaying a *GREAT* deal of personal bias in your
> judgement.

Please recall that Harald has ignored my earlier formal complaint to 
remove Joe Baptista on grounds that he has threatened to cause trouble 
with people's employers.  That, to me, is a *far* more serious offense 
than name calling.  He has already cut Baptista far more slack than he 
should.  

> There has been a request to filter someone based on  language
> that is well outside the scope of the supposed civil discourse
> rules of the list. If the rules are to apply equitably, they must be
> applied EQUALLY. 

If anything, Harald is erring in favor of Baptista.

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:53:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [ga-full] Use of "loon"

[cc's trimmed]

No.  I object to the whole thing. 

If I can't have that, I vote for the shortest list of criteria possible on
the grounds that the less time wrangling about challenges and such the
more time for other stuff.

And I don't accept the sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
argument.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Those who oppose this policy
should rise above it, not invoke it.  And if it's to be invoked by anyone,
the fewer grounds available the better.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

> So far, every single message I have had suggests that calling Joe Baptista 
> a loon is language that should cause the utterer's suspension from the list.
> 
> If that's a common opinion on the list, I will modify my judgment criteria 
> accordingly.
> 
> Note that the revised judgment criteria will also include a number of other 
> words formerly tolerated; they are (in my judgment) weaker than 
> "horse-shitters", but stronger than "loon".
> 
> Is that OK with everyone?
> 
>                           Harald
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:54:27 -0800
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Number of messages

On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 07:22:19PM +0100, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> 
> I am recommending the list administrator to limit the maximum number of 
> messages that any subscriber can send per day to 5.

How about 3?

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 100 14:30:54 -0400 (AST)
From: John Charles Broomfield <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Use of "loon"

> So far, every single message I have had suggests that calling Joe Baptista 
> a loon is language that should cause the utterer's suspension from the list.

Personally, I feel that wrt Joe Baptista, "loon" is descriptive, and not an
insult. Joe may feel insluted by the description, but then again someone
might feel insulted by being called fat despite weighing half a ton. It
doesn't stop it frokm being descriptive.

I don't think that any messages describing Joe Baptista can be constructive
or serve any purpose, apart from that of warning the unwary.

I would recommend messages to stay on track and avoid Baptista. I don't
think that describing him merits a ban. Dunno how to establish workable and
usable rules to that effect.

Yours, John Broomfield.
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:18:37 -0800
From: "Christopher Ambler" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Number of messages

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Additionally, that word that Roberto used is about the worst insult
one can make in my native language. We all recall that we're not all
native English speakers, right? I can't even repeat the word, it's
so bad.

Please remove Roberto immediately.

And we also don't like semicolons; so don't use them.

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 07:22:19PM +0100, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> 
> I am recommending the list administrator to limit the maximum
> number of  messages that any subscriber can send per day to 5.

How about 3?

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:51:56 +0100
From: "Alf Hansen" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Proposal: List behavior discussions on a separat list.

Dear Chair and list monitor,

I propose that the DNSO offer a special service to those with spesific
interest in list behavior discussions: An open list: [email-masked].

All messages not relevant to GA business, but relevant to those with special
interest of list behavior, could be filtered from the ga-list and forwarded
to the list-behave-list. This should be according to the list-rules for GA.

This is my only message to the GA on this topic. I am just waiting patiently
to see DNSO GA back in business asap.

Best regards,
Alf H
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:02:42 -0800
From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Number of messages

That's an idea

Submittal
rebuttal
redirect

> -----Original Message-----
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> Crispin
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 10:54 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] Number of messages
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 07:22:19PM +0100, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> >
> > I am recommending the list administrator to limit the maximum number of
> > messages that any subscriber can send per day to 5.
>
> How about 3?
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:14:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Alex Kamantauskas <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ga-full] Use of "loon"

 How about the following process:

 SAA receives a complaint.  SAA announces the complaint, and issues a
 request wherein each member of the list (if they so wish) sends in a
 'yea' or 'nay' vote.  At the end of an established period (say, 24 or 48
 hours), SAA counts the votes.  If the 'yea' outweigh the 'nay', sanctions
 are imposed.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:

> [cc's trimmed]
> 
> No.  I object to the whole thing. 
> 
> If I can't have that, I vote for the shortest list of criteria possible on
> the grounds that the less time wrangling about challenges and such the
> more time for other stuff.
> 
> And I don't accept the sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
> argument.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Those who oppose this policy
> should rise above it, not invoke it.  And if it's to be invoked by anyone,
> the fewer grounds available the better.
> 
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> 
> > So far, every single message I have had suggests that calling Joe Baptista 
> > a loon is language that should cause the utterer's suspension from the list.
> > 
> > If that's a common opinion on the list, I will modify my judgment criteria 
> > accordingly.
> > 
> > Note that the revised judgment criteria will also include a number of other 
> > words formerly tolerated; they are (in my judgment) weaker than 
> > "horse-shitters", but stronger than "loon".
> > 
> > Is that OK with everyone?
> > 
> >                           Harald
> > 
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:20:19 +0100 (MET)
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Proposal: List behavior discussions on a separat list.

Alf,

I have tried several time to launch the idea of more focused, smaller, 
lists, in addition to the main GA list, but there's no enthusiasm so 
far.

In practical terms, it will be (almost) impossible to do what you 
propose "automatically". The only possibility is to create a separate 
list, and invite people to discuss the matter over there.

Do you think it will work? :<(

Roberto

>Dear Chair and list monitor,
>
>I propose that the DNSO offer a special service to those with spesific
>interest in list behavior discussions: An open list: list-
[email-masked].
>
>All messages not relevant to GA business, but relevant to those with 
special
>interest of list behavior, could be filtered from the ga-list and 
forwarded
>to the list-behave-list. This should be according to the list-rules for
 GA.
>
>This is my only message to the GA on this topic. I am just waiting 
patiently
>to see DNSO GA back in business asap.
>
>Best regards,
>Alf H
>.NO
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:21:44 -0800
From: "Christopher Ambler" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: [ga-full] Use of "loon"

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I have a better idea.

How about we put everyone on this list up for a vote. We then all
vote yea or nay on who should remain. Then we vote upon how we'll
vote to format the email. I prefer ASCII, but some like HTML. Then
I think we should vote on what we all will have for lunch
tomorrow, and anyone who doesn't like sushi is kicked off the
list.

Once we've done that, we then all go home happy, and listen to
the conference call of the rest of the Internet community laughing
at this whole joke, while ICANN makes a pronouncement that there
is wide community consensus to ban domain names altogether. In
case anyone hasn't noticed, ICANN has been making decisions
independent of this illustrious body since day-one. We are,
in a word, irrelevant.

But this list is still amusing. It would be frustrating if it
weren't for the fact that the real work is being done elsewhere,
and this list is bread and circuses for the half of you on
this list not participating elsewhere.

Difficult wake-up call, isn't it?

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From: Alex Kamantauskas [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 1:15 PM
To: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
Cc: Harald Tveit Alvestrand; Patrick Greenwell; Christopher Ambler;
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ga-full] Use of "loon"

 How about the following process:

 SAA receives a complaint.  SAA announces the complaint, and issues a
 request wherein each member of the list (if they so wish) sends in a
 'yea' or 'nay' vote.  At the end of an established period (say, 24
or 48
 hours), SAA counts the votes.  If the 'yea' outweigh the 'nay',
sanctions
 are imposed.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:

> [cc's trimmed]
> 
> No.  I object to the whole thing. 
> 
> If I can't have that, I vote for the shortest list of criteria
> possible on the grounds that the less time wrangling about
> challenges and such the more time for other stuff.
> 
> And I don't accept the sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
> argument.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Those who oppose this
> policy should rise above it, not invoke it.  And if it's to be
> invoked by anyone, the fewer grounds available the better.
> 
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> 
> > So far, every single message I have had suggests that calling Joe
> > Baptista  a loon is language that should cause the utterer's
> > suspension from the list.  
> > 
> > If that's a common opinion on the list, I will modify my judgment
> > criteria  accordingly.
> > 
> > Note that the revised judgment criteria will also include a
> > number of other  words formerly tolerated; they are (in my
> > judgment) weaker than  "horse-shitters", but stronger than
> > "loon".
> > 
> > Is that OK with everyone?
> > 
> >                           Harald
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