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GA-DIGEST         Thursday, February 17 2000         Volume 01 : Number 003

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:16:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Kelsey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

!Dr. Joe Baptista writes:
 > On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Joe Kelsey wrote:
 > > restrict the word "professional" to any particular profession.  The
 > > professionals in this society are drawn from a wide and open
 > > constituency whose members are yet to be strictly defined.
 > 
 > The people here are to a degree silly.  We have lawyers - with no
 > understanding of the fundamental issues. we have technoctats who's narrow
 > vision of the internet is in my not so humble opinion a real disability,
 > and we have the icann priesthood that glues it all together.  And we have
 > wanna be hitlers.

I never said anywhere that professionals were not allowed to be silly!
Many people I have met through other professional societies are
decidedly silly.  Just because your goal is to insure the fundamental
silliness of the ga list does not mean that there are not other well
meaning professionals who want to accomplish something here.

 > This is not a professional society.  This is the last resort where people
 > come for some degree of representation - however rediculous it may be.

Once again, you are putting your own goals in front of other people on
this list.  You are causing this list to become more ridiculous every
day, but just because you have that goal does not make it the goal of
the list.

 > This is an assembly of short sighted shame.

This is not an assembly.  It is a mailing list.

 > > By the way, if you do not believe that the DNSO is a professional
 > > society, then you have no business on this list.
 > 
 > This is not a professional society.  once again - reference the bylaws.

Please provide specific references to what part of the bylaws
specifically states that this is *not* a professional society.  I do not
believe that you can provide facts since you have yet to cite a single
verifiable fact in any posting you have ever made.

/Joe
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:19:13 -0800
From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

Actually, the DNSO is a political forum and arm of the ICANN. The last I
looked, that never implied that it was a professional society.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Joe
> Kelsey
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:13 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough
>
>
> !Dr. Joe Baptista writes:
>  > > By the way, name a professional society that does *not* charge dues.
>  > > Please back up your claims with facts.
>  >
>  > I don't simply because that was not the issue.  I have clearly
> stated the
>  > GA and DNSO were not perfessional organizations and the standards you
>  > went on about do not apply.
>  >
>  > I think that's clear.  Don't you.
>
> Not in the slightest.  The DNSO is an obviously professional soceity,
> organized by professionals who are interested in working together on
> issues related to the Domain Name System.  I specifically do not
> restrict the word "professional" to any particular profession.  The
> professionals in this society are drawn from a wide and open
> constituency whose members are yet to be strictly defined.
>
> By the way, if you do not believe that the DNSO is a professional
> society, then you have no business on this list.
>
> /Joe
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:35:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Kelsey <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

Roeland M.J. Meyer writes:
 > Actually, the DNSO is a political forum and arm of the ICANN. The last I
 > looked, that never implied that it was a professional society.

So politics is not a profession?

I think there are a lot of people with professional carreers who would
consider themselves professionals.  Along with several professional
rabble-rousers who seem to have chosen this list as a stomping grounds.

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:41:36 -0800
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 07:16:53PM -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote:
> !Dr. Joe Baptista writes:
>  > On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Joe Kelsey wrote:

Joe, if I may be so bold -- the existence of list rules doesn't mean 
that you have to pay attention to everybody.

[...]

> Please provide specific references to what part of the bylaws
> specifically states that this is *not* a professional society.  I do not
> believe that you can provide facts since you have yet to cite a single
> verifiable fact in any posting you have ever made.

In spirit you are correct, Mr Baptista and Mr Meyer are incorrect,
though the terminology is different.  The intent of *all* the SOs in the
ICANN structure is to provide expert guidance -- they are explicitly
referenced as "advisory bodies":

    "There shall be advisory bodies known as Supporting Organizations."

The intent of the bylaws and those that crafted the bylaws is that the
SOs will provide professional expertise in the area the SO is
responsible for.  The term "professional organization", however, is
usually used to mean "an organization in support of a particular
profession", and that is not what the SOs are -- they are advisory
bodies.  You are correct, therefore, in your statement that the membership 
of the SOs should professional level.  Of course, there are several 
quite disparate professions involved -- legal and public policy 
expertise are important, as well as technical and operational 
expertise.

It is, however, most emphatically the case that political representation
was not the prime intent of the SOs (though of course some
representational issues are unavoidable). 

Kent

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:04:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Kelsey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

Kent Crispin writes:
 > On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 07:16:53PM -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote:
 > > !Dr. Joe Baptista writes:
 > >  > On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Joe Kelsey wrote:
 > Joe, if I may be so bold -- the existence of list rules doesn't mean 
 > that you have to pay attention to everybody.

I was specifically ignoring the personal parts of his mail and trying to
respond to the other parts.

I feel it is important that we emphasize the "expert" portions of our
"charter", which is why I felt it necessary to bring up the professional
society comparison.  I do not think this is a professional society the
same way that ACM or IEEE is, but rather a loose confederation of
prodessionals from many different areas of expertise, just as you have
said in your message.  I really was only drawing the comparison,
initially, to suggest a method of validating e-mail addresses, and the
topic took on its own life!

I think it is an interesting change from other topics...

/Joe
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:12:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Joe Kelsey wrote:

> I never said anywhere that professionals were not allowed to be silly!

I understand now Joe.  Your comments simply must be dismissed.  One has to
be serious to accomplish any goals.

>  > This is not a professional society.  This is the last resort where people
>  > come for some degree of representation - however rediculous it may be.
> Once again, you are putting your own goals in front of other people on
> this list.  You are causing this list to become more ridiculous every
> day, but just because you have that goal does not make it the goal of
> the list.

This list is ridiculous without my assistance.  My only contribution is to
expose the fraud here.  And if that has caused laughter - then I certainly
take creidt in it.

>  > This is an assembly of short sighted shame.
> 
> This is not an assembly.  It is a mailing list.

This is the General Assembly.

> 
>  > > By the way, if you do not believe that the DNSO is a professional
>  > > society, then you have no business on this list.
>  > 
>  > This is not a professional society.  once again - reference the bylaws.
> 
> Please provide specific references to what part of the bylaws
> specifically states that this is *not* a professional society.  I do not
> believe that you can provide facts since you have yet to cite a single
> verifiable fact in any posting you have ever made.

Legality by exclusion - how novel - the ol "not" argument.  Why don't you
show me where it say's it is a professional association - and while your
at it - do we get any degrees if we graduate - or certification at the end
of our term here.

Have a good time Joe.

Regards
Joe Baptista

 > 
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:13:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

Kelsey's just having a good time pulling wool.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:

> Actually, the DNSO is a political forum and arm of the ICANN. The last I
> looked, that never implied that it was a professional society.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Joe
> > Kelsey
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:13 PM
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough
> >
> >
> > !Dr. Joe Baptista writes:
> >  > > By the way, name a professional society that does *not* charge dues.
> >  > > Please back up your claims with facts.
> >  >
> >  > I don't simply because that was not the issue.  I have clearly
> > stated the
> >  > GA and DNSO were not perfessional organizations and the standards you
> >  > went on about do not apply.
> >  >
> >  > I think that's clear.  Don't you.
> >
> > Not in the slightest.  The DNSO is an obviously professional soceity,
> > organized by professionals who are interested in working together on
> > issues related to the Domain Name System.  I specifically do not
> > restrict the word "professional" to any particular profession.  The
> > professionals in this society are drawn from a wide and open
> > constituency whose members are yet to be strictly defined.
> >
> > By the way, if you do not believe that the DNSO is a professional
> > society, then you have no business on this list.
> >
> > /Joe
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:17:35 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Joe Kelsey wrote:

> So politics is not a profession?

No - politics is a game for old whores, charletans and other well meaning
folk.

> I think there are a lot of people with professional carreers who would
> consider themselves professionals.  Along with several professional
> rabble-rousers who seem to have chosen this list as a stomping grounds.

That does not make this a professional association.  You really hate
loosing an argument.  I'm looking forward to seeing how much you'll
go on with this rumble in wonderland.

Regards
Joe Baptista

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:28:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Kent Crispin wrote:

> Joe, if I may be so bold -- the existence of list rules doesn't mean 
> that you have to pay attention to everybody.

Don't throw any stones if you can't follow your own advice.

> In spirit you are correct, Mr Baptista and Mr Meyer are incorrect,

Read your stement here carefully - you will find it support my position
the this is not a professional organization.

But I love the in spirit twist - humourous - but just a tad bit too droll
to win the argument.

regards
joe baptista

> though the terminology is different.  The intent of *all* the SOs in the
> ICANN structure is to provide expert guidance -- they are explicitly
> referenced as "advisory bodies":
> 
>     "There shall be advisory bodies known as Supporting Organizations."
> 
> The intent of the bylaws and those that crafted the bylaws is that the
> SOs will provide professional expertise in the area the SO is
> responsible for.  The term "professional organization", however, is
> usually used to mean "an organization in support of a particular
> profession", and that is not what the SOs are -- they are advisory
> bodies.  You are correct, therefore, in your statement that the membership 
> of the SOs should professional level.  Of course, there are several 
> quite disparate professions involved -- legal and public policy 
> expertise are important, as well as technical and operational 
> expertise.
> 
> It is, however, most emphatically the case that political representation
> was not the prime intent of the SOs (though of course some
> representational issues are unavoidable). 
> 
> Kent
> 
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:58:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Joe Kelsey wrote:

> I was specifically ignoring the personal parts of his mail and trying to
> respond to the other parts.

What personal parts - feel free to quote at your pleasure.  Were
discussing the GA being a professional organization - i say it's not and
you say it is.  Nothing personal there my dear boy ;->
 
> I feel it is important that we emphasize the "expert" portions of our
> "charter", which is why I felt it necessary to bring up the professional
> society comparison.  I do not think this is a professional society the
> same way that ACM or IEEE is, but rather a loose confederation of
> prodessionals from many different areas of expertise, just as you have

Ah - now were a confederation of professionals.  That's not in the by laws
either.

> said in your message.  I really was only drawing the comparison,
> initially, to suggest a method of validating e-mail addresses, and the
> topic took on its own life!

Non profit organizations - which this is - some charge admission and some
do not.  But once again - this is not a professional society or
organization.

> I think it is an interesting change from other topics...

True - but irrelavant.

Regards
Joe Baptista

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:44:09 +0100
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] disclaimer 

At 16:16 16.02.00 -0500, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

>Harald - I am asking officially in your capacity that you censor Mr. Walsh
>for his staments made below.  Calling someone a loon is a violation of the
>rules and I anticipate you will provide Walsh the appropriate warnings.

let me see - this is the same person who has been accusing people of fraud, 
comparing them to Hitler, calling them drunks or executioners, and even 
"premadonnas" (whatever that is) - not to mention casting aspersions on 
their morals, competence, honesty and intelligence.

All of which went unremarked and uncensored.

Now you want censorship of William for calling you a loon, which is 
probably about the mildest term he could have chosen for his opinion of you.

Sorry; there must be equal treatment under the rules.

                      Harald

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:25:40 -0800
From: "Christopher Ambler" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] disclaimer 

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Harald, I'm afraid I cannot abide by this. If you want equal
treatment, ban them BOTH. But to ignore his request is to
fly in the face of the rules that YOU SET DOWN.

I don't agree with the rules, but you made this bed, it's
time that you lay in it.

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Subject: Re: [ga] disclaimer 

At 16:16 16.02.00 -0500, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

>Harald - I am asking officially in your capacity that you censor Mr.
>Walsh for his staments made below.  Calling someone a loon is a
>violation of the rules and I anticipate you will provide Walsh the
>appropriate warnings.  

let me see - this is the same person who has been accusing people of
fraud, 
comparing them to Hitler, calling them drunks or executioners, and
even 
"premadonnas" (whatever that is) - not to mention casting aspersions
on 
their morals, competence, honesty and intelligence.

All of which went unremarked and uncensored.

Now you want censorship of William for calling you a loon, which is 
probably about the mildest term he could have chosen for his opinion
of you.

Sorry; there must be equal treatment under the rules.

                      Harald

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:01:13 +0100
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Warning: [email-masked] is sending directly

To all GA members:

The mail alias known as [email-masked], which has been denied posting 
rights to the GA list, has taken up the habit of BCCing known members of 
the GA list on mail not addressed to them, as seen in the attached header copy.

There is nothing the list maintainers can do to stop this, unfortunately; 
if you think this is mass, unsolicited email, and want to complain about 
it, the only possible point of complaint (AFAIK) is [email-masked].

The only thing the list members can do about it on the list is to avoid 
replying to these messages.

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:41:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] disclaimer 

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

> At 16:16 16.02.00 -0500, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> 
> >Harald - I am asking officially in your capacity that you censor Mr. Walsh
> >for his staments made below.  Calling someone a loon is a violation of the
> >rules and I anticipate you will provide Walsh the appropriate warnings.
> 
> let me see - this is the same person who has been accusing people of fraud, 
> comparing them to Hitler, calling them drunks or executioners, and even 
> "premadonnas" (whatever that is) - not to mention casting aspersions on 
> their morals, competence, honesty and intelligence.

these are know truths the alternate and chair must live with - and truths
other have expressed - were we subjected to electoral fraud - yes we
were.  You yourself admitted you knew the polling process could be abused
before you choose it, joop has also confirmed this - and your
rationalization for this electoral fraud was that you were testing the
integrety of the ga user base.  Harald were you appointed as out alternate
chair for the purpose of conducting experiments on the membership - i
think not.  Did we pick you for the job - no we did not.  Have you lost
credibility and people in the process - yes you have.  You are here only
at the pleasure of ICANN.

and that's about it.  the rest of your comments are irrelevant - except as
they show a complete lack of adherence to your own proceedure.

 > 
> All of which went unremarked and uncensored.
> 
irrelevant

> Now you want censorship of William for calling you a loon, which is 
> probably about the mildest term he could have chosen for his opinion of you.

No I don't want you to censor him - I want you to obey your own
rules.  But if you want to make your rules optional only to those who
desearve your sweet kisses, then hey I have to live with it.  It's your
right as dictator here to conduct yourself as you see fit.  It is your
right as our dictator to disobey your own rules.  That is after all the
right of a dictator - to be a hypocrit.

> Sorry; there must be equal treatment under the rules.

So - can we confirm here that you decline to take action in accordance
with your rules.  And by so saying this - we can assume it's not OK to
call people "Horse Shitters" - but loon is OK?

Is that correct?

Regards
Joe Baptista

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:34:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
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postmaster@aol also works, and usually gets dealt with quickly.

On 17-Feb-2000 Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> To all GA members:
> 
> The mail alias known as [email-masked], which has been denied posting 
> rights to the GA list, has taken up the habit of BCCing known members of 
> the GA list on mail not addressed to them, as seen in the attached header
> copy.
> 
> There is nothing the list maintainers can do to stop this, unfortunately; 
> if you think this is mass, unsolicited email, and want to complain about 
> it, the only possible point of complaint (AFAIK) is [email-masked].
> 
> The only thing the list members can do about it on the list is to avoid 
> replying to these messages.
> 
>                       Harald Tveit Alvestrand
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:04:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Warning: [email-masked] is sending directly

excellent - we progress.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

> To all GA members:
> 
> The mail alias known as [email-masked], which has been denied posting 
> rights to the GA list, has taken up the habit of BCCing known members of 
> the GA list on mail not addressed to them, as seen in the attached header copy.
> 
> There is nothing the list maintainers can do to stop this, unfortunately; 
> if you think this is mass, unsolicited email, and want to complain about 
> it, the only possible point of complaint (AFAIK) is [email-masked].
> 

won't work - been tried - failed.  Also he has the right to appeal to the
membership.  He is a member .. and god bless them all for it.  If
[email-masked] needs a comprehensive list of members for the entire dnso
- - he's welcomed to mine.

A member must be supported at all times.

Regards
Joe Baptista

> The only thing the list members can do about it on the list is to avoid 
> replying to these messages.
> 
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:05:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] disclaimer 

Seeing this show is a bit like reliving abba via a techno mirror.  As
Ambler said - Harald makes his own bed with this one.

Regards
Joe baptista

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 [email-masked] wrote:

> Chris and everybody else,
> 
>   It would seem that Harald is on the horns of a dilemma.  Either
> way he goes he shows his own ass on previous decisions.
> I of course, find that particularly ironic, yet appropriate. It is
> this sort of predicament that amateurs often find themselves
> entrapped in.  Well Harald, you were repeatedly warned by
> any number of people including me.
> 
>   How do you like to put it Harald, "I don't find you very interesting"?
> Well another rendition might be, I don't find you too intelligent.  
> 
>   David "Dude" Jenson 
> 
> In a message dated 2/16/00 11:58:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [email-masked] writes:
> 
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>  Harald, I'm afraid I cannot abide by this. If you want equal
>  treatment, ban them BOTH. But to ignore his request is to
>  fly in the face of the rules that YOU SET DOWN.
>  
>  I don't agree with the rules, but you made this bed, it's
>  time that you lay in it.
>   >>
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:08:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough

No one in this place has a clue when it comes to politics.  Amature
politicians indeed.  No - I don't think so.  This is more a collection of
fools - and I feel a bit like the Master of Fools.  Someone has to be king
of the castle and it seems i'm the only one who can call this place and
the icann process a farce - so i guess the crown is mine.

Regards
Joe

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 [email-masked] wrote:

> Roeland and everybody else,
> 
>   Political forum is about right.  And one that has too many amateur
> politicians, without much clue, but allot of bluster.  I suppose they
> go to start somewhere.  I just wish it was someplace else. I guess
> that is why they are all volunteers. 
> 
> David "Dude" Jenson
> 
>   In a message dated 2/16/00 7:54:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [email-masked] writes:
> 
> << Actually, the DNSO is a political forum and arm of the ICANN. The last I
>  looked, that never implied that it was a professional society.
>  
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Joe
>  > Kelsey
>  > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:13 PM
>  > To: [email-masked]
>  > Subject: Re: [ga] GA Rules don't go far enough
>  >
>  >
>  > !Dr. Joe Baptista writes:
>  >  > > By the way, name a professional society that does *not* charge dues.
>  >  > > Please back up your claims with facts.
>  >  >
>  >  > I don't simply because that was not the issue.  I have clearly
>  > stated the
>  >  > GA and DNSO were not perfessional organizations and the standards you
>  >  > went on about do not apply.
>  >  >
>  >  > I think that's clear.  Don't you.
>  >
>  > Not in the slightest.  The DNSO is an obviously professional soceity,
>  > organized by professionals who are interested in working together on
>  > issues related to the Domain Name System.  I specifically do not
>  > restrict the word "professional" to any particular profession.  The
>  > professionals in this society are drawn from a wide and open
>  > constituency whose members are yet to be strictly defined.
>  >
>  > By the way, if you do not believe that the DNSO is a professional
>  > society, then you have no business on this list.
>  >
>  > /Joe
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