RE: [nc-budget] NC meeting Feb 8

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com>]

I fully agree with Ken.  Also, I do not believe that the NC should be responsible for subsidizing dues of any of its members.  All responsibility for paying dues should be born by the constituencies themselves.  In cases where constituency member dues do not work, those constituencies should solicit support from organizations that would be willing to make a contribution to their cause.  If they are not willing to take on that responsibility, then it is not clear to me that they have the ability to function as a contributing member of the NC.

 

In reality, there has been plenty of time for each constituency to come up with alternative funding mechanisms.  The bottom line is that each constituency wants full voting rights but some do not own up to funding responsibilities.  We are not asking for that large amount per year.  Maybe constituencies should be given the option of having less voting representation in return for less fees.  That would be their choice.  If they cannot solve a problem like this on their own, then I am not convinced they are a viable constituency.  I don't mean to sound harsh, but at some point we need to face the facts or this issue will continue unresolved indefinitely.

 

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: kstubbs@digitel.net [mailto:kstubbs@digitel.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:25 AM
To: Erica Roberts; Philip Sheppard; DNSO budget
Subject: Re: [nc-budget] NC meeting Feb 8

frankly, i believe this proposal is too open-ended and will create conflicts between constituancies who feel that other constituancies are "taking advantage".  i feel that there has to be some sort of a "floor" on contributions and that a system like this fosters "ambivolence".

 

i have seen little in the way of motivation so far to get any of the constituancies to recognize and accept the "financial responsibilites" (i.e. isp's, NCDNH & CCtld's) and much of what we have heard in the way of excuses has been, to say the least, ambigous & confusing.

 

until we develop a procedure to "motivate" prompt payment by the various constituancies we will continue to have these problems and cannot really develop a solid plan based on a firm foundation

 

ken

----- Original Message -----

From: Erica Roberts

To: Philip Sheppard ; DNSO budget

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 6:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nc-budget] NC meeting Feb 8

I agree with Phillip that the general feeling at the NC was satisfaction with the proposed budget (in broad terms) but concern over arrangements for constituency subscriptions. .  My reading of that meeting was that many people abstained because the issues relating to constituency fees were not sufficiently understood or discussed. 

I don't think we should regard this as a major set back - and I would like to recognize the great job Roger has done as Chair of the Budget Committee.  But, it seems, we have just a little way further to go.

  I don't  understand the options Phillip has suggested below, but it is pretty clear that we need to address the issue of subsidising constituencies which genuinely have something unique to contribute to the ICANN process but have real funding difficulties.  One option I would like to suggest is roughly as follows:

1. All constituencies should be billed for the same amount but should also be given the right to 'show cause' why they should receive a fee subsidy.

2. Constituencies applying for a fee subsidy should be required to identify the unique nature of their contribution to the ICANN/DNSO process, and describe what measures they have taken to raise the funds to cover the fees levied on all constituencies. 

3.  Such applications should be considered by the NC on a case by case basis. 

4. If the NC is satisfied that the constituency is making a valuable contribution to the ICANN/DNSO process and has made all reasonable attempts to raise the necessary funds, then the NC should formally pass a motion agreeing to reduce the fee for that constituency for a specified period and reduce the budget  contingency allocation by a corresponding amount.

5. The NC should formally advise both the ICANN Board and the DNSO constituencies of its decision. 

An approach of this kind would ensure the fee subsidies for constituencies can be provided but only under exceptional circumstances and in accordance with open and transparent processes. 

 

While this may not be a perfect solution (is there any such thing?), it may provide a way of accomodating the different concerns expressed by the NC representatives of the different constituencies.

 

What do others think?

 

erica

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Philip Sheppard

To: DNSO budget

Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:53 PM

Subject: [nc-budget] NC meeting Feb 8

Roger et al,

 

1. Now that I am NC chair I would like to follow the example of Ken who remained an observer to the budget committee but not an active participant. As such I will intercede from time to time but exempt myself from Budget committee votes, proposals etc.

 

2. As you know the NC rejected (by abstentions) the budget committee proposal on the 2001 subs and will be revisiting the item on Feb 8.

"Item1: Budget Committee - revisiting the recommendation on 2001 budget and
     constituency contributions (Roger Cochetti) - 30 mins"
       

The NC seemed to have no problem with the proposed 2001 budget but indicated concern on the question of constituency subs.

 

Could I ask the budget committee to prepare three options for the NC to discuss.

Option 1: the previous proposal (= 2001 budget less voluntary shared by 7)

 

Option 2: a new proposal (=2001 budget less voluntary less surplus of subs 1999 and 2000 RECEIVED as at 31 Jan 2001 shared by 7).

 

Option 3: a new proposal (=2001 budget less voluntary less surplus of subs 1999 and 2000 REQUESTED shared by 7).

 

Please indicate the advantages/disadvantages of each option.

 

Philip.

 

 

 

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