RE: [ga-roots] Jon Postel

[Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>]

... and NONE of this contradicts any I said.
an apology would be nice...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Elliott [mailto:josh@basicfusion.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:33 PM
> To: Simon Higgs
> Cc: [ga-roots]
> Subject: RE: [ga-roots] Jon Postel
> 
> 
> Simon,
> 
> It depends at what point in time you are referring to.  In 
> 1996, I became
> the first full-time employee dedicated to the project, 
> although Jon and
> Joyce Reynolds spent much of their time doing the more important IANA
> functions.  Before that, Jon and Joyce did everything, with 
> Joyce handling
> the majority of the load since she was hired in 1984-ish.  Others were
> involved, primarily research assistants that floated in and out of the
> Networking Division at ISI.  Zita Wenzel was also involved and mainly
> responsible for transitioning IANA to ICANN in late 1998.
> 
> After Jon passed away, Joyce and I did it ourselves.  When 
> ICANN began to
> manage it in early 1999, other various folks dipped thier 
> hand in it:  Mike
> Roberts, Louis Touton, Andrew McLaughlin and some others.
> 
> The current IANA Administrator, Michelle Schipper was hired 
> in Jan 2000, as
> a replacement for me prior to my departure in that same month.
> 
> I hope that clears things up a bit.
> 
> Josh
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga-roots@dnso.org 
> [mailto:owner-ga-roots@dnso.org]On Behalf
> Of Simon Higgs
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:51 AM
> To: [ga-roots]
> Subject: RE: [ga-roots] Jon Postel
> 
> 
> At 08:09 AM 5/25/01 -0700, Josh Elliott wrote:
> 
> Who all worked for the IANA with Jon? As I understand it, it 
> was a four
> person task with 0.25 person budget.
> 
> Also, how did it change after Jon died?
> 
> >Patrick,
> >
> >There are a few details I would dispute, but the only real 
> important one is
> >that IANA only existed until late 1998, which is entirely 
> incorrect.  The
> >IANA still exists today under ICANN management, and before ICANN took
> >control contractually for IANA, it still operated without 
> the direction of
> >Jon Postel in late 1998.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Josh (former IANA Administrator)
> >
> >Josh Elliott, President & CEO
> >Basic Fusion, Inc.
> >
> >josh@basicfusion.com
> >+1 661 254 8701 (Work)
> >+1 661 287 3523 (Fax)
> >+1 818 470 1040 (Mobile)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-ga-roots@dnso.org 
> [mailto:owner-ga-roots@dnso.org]On Behalf
> >Of Patrick Corliss
> >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:50 AM
> >To: NameCritic
> >Cc: [ga-roots]
> >Subject: [ga-roots] Jon Postel
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 25 May 2001 04:10:16 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> >Subject: Re[4]: (Fwd) Re: [ga-roots] alternate roots 
> considered harmful
> >
> > > Hello NameCritic,
> > >
> > > Friday, May 25, 2001, 3:41:28 AM, NameCritic wrote:
> > >
> > > >> You obviously do not know your domain history very well.
> > >
> > > > Or you do not William. Are you saying there was never a 
> time when all
> > > > you had to do was ask Jon Postel for a domain name to get one?
> > >
> > > A top level domain?  Yes, I am.
> >
> >http://www.cctec.com/maillists/nanog/historical/9603/msg00108.html
> >Just a small quibble David:  when you say "the IANA" 
> decided, it gives
> >the impression that an august group of people like the IESG 
> took action.
> >In reality "the IANA" is but a SINGLE person - John Postel.  If some
> >people are upset I suspect it might be because the power to 
> make such a
> >decision is vested in the hands of ONE person rather than in a group.
> >
> >http://www.tftb.com/ICANN.html
> >That the system has worked as well as it has is largely a 
> tribute to the
> >work of one man, Dr. John Postel, the recently deceased 
> director of the
> >Internet Assigned Numbers Authority.
> >
> >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~wfoster/whogoverns.html
> >InterNIC gets its authority to delegate both IP address and 
> domain names
> >from the Internet Assigned Number Authority (IANA). IANA, 
> which is run by
> >John Postel, has historically been responsible for unique 
> parameters that
> >are required by IETF protocols. Though IANA had given most 
> countries the
> >right to operate their own TLD and assign secondary domain 
> names within it,
> >the .com TLD has developed a cachet not only for United 
> States businesses
> >but for businesses all over the world.
> >
> >http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v6n1/blakeney61_text.html
> >The IANA also allocated the right to administer country code 
> TLDs to local
> >Network Information Centres (NICs) or to local corporations. 
> For example
> the
> ><.co.uk>, <.ltd.uk>, <.plc.uk>, <.net.uk> and <.org.uk> 
> domain names are
> >administered by Nominet UK Limited (Nominet).
> >
> >http://www.isocnz.org.nz/international/cctld000728report-best
> -practice.html
> >CENTR's view is that complete authority was transferred by 
> John Postel to
> >the local manager, and all issues, including re-delegation, 
> are a matter
> for
> >the local courts in the country associated with the ccTLDs.
> >
> >http://www.isocnz.org.nz/international/cctld000728report-best
> -practice.html
> >Nominet (the manager of .uk) has taken US legal advice, 
> which is to the
> >effect that the UK registry has a contract with either the 
> estate of John
> >Postel, or his employer (effectively the University of Southern
> California).
> >Nominet has not consented to any transfer of the benefits or 
> obligations
> >under that contract to ICANN, and does not recognise any 
> ICANN authority
> >over the UK registry.
> >
> >http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
> >1988.  Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) 
> established in December
> >with Jon Postel as its Director. Postel was also the RFC 
> Editor and US
> >Domain registrar for many years.
> >
> >http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
> >1989.  Countries connecting to NSFNET: Australia (AU), 
> Germany (DE), Israel
> >(IL), Italy (IT), Japan (JP), Mexico (MX), Netherlands (NL), 
> New Zealand
> >(NZ), Puerto Rico (PR), United Kingdom (UK)
> >
> >http://www.iiia.org/lists/newdom/1995q3/0239.html
> >Actually, while the InterNIC processes the requests for the 
> two-letter
> >country code TLDs and does the interactions with the applicants, the
> >IANA is in the loop on approving each one. So the ultimate 
> approval of
> >each (ISO-3166) two-letter country code TLD has always and 
> continues to
> >involve an approval step by the IANA.
> >
> >http://www.itu.int/newsarchive/press/releases/1998/PostelLegacy.html
> >Few organizations have played as critical a role as the IANA. Unique
> numbers
> >and unique names must be assigned and managed. The IANA has allocated
> >Internet protocol addresses and maintained a registry of the 
> unique values
> >required for the Internet to work. This has been IANA's task 
> from the very
> >beginning.
> >
> >http://www.net99.org/presentations/Bernard_Turcotte/tsld002.htm
> >The top level DNS system was under the administration of the Internet
> >Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) and its director John 
> Postel until late
> >1998.  IANA administered the TLD system and the IP address system
> >internationally without any formal authority.
> >
> >See http://www.auda.org.au/docs/letter-com.au.html
> >com.au Letter of Authority
> >15 November 1999
> >
> >.au Domain Administration
> >255 Elizabeth Street
> >Sydney NSW 2000
> >
> >Dear Sirs
> >
> >The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority ("IANA") has delegated to
> >me the authority to manage the .au namespace.
> >
> >I hereby now delegate to you full authority to manage the .com.au
> >namespace, which is a subset of the .au namespace (the "Domain").
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >In the event that I am succeeded as the delegated authority for
> >the .au namespace, my successor shall assume all the rights and
> >obligations accruing to me under my arrangement with IANA and
> >this arrangement with you.
> >
> >I trust that you will administer the Domain in a fair and
> >responsible manner.
> >
> >Yours sincerely
> >Robert Elz
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >Patrick Corliss
> >
> >
> >
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> Best Regards,
> 
> Simon Higgs
> 
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