Re: [ga-roots] Procedural Issues on Motions

["L Gallegos" <jandl@jandl.com>]

Procedurally, I believe Patrick is correct.  There must be a second to 
the first motion, amendments if necessary, discussion and a vote before 
the second motion is considered.

If the second motion is meant to be an amendment to the first, the first 
still must be seconded.  In the meantime, the second motion is out of 
order.

IMO, neither one is worded well to present as a motion.  

Leah


On 10 May 2001, at 0:58, Patrick Corliss wrote:

> On Wed, 09 May 2001 12:32:20 +0200, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> 
> > Motion to amend motion.
> 
> My understanding of the general rules of procedure is that the first motion
> has called for a seconder.  The floor is therefore with the first motion
> until it lapses for want of a second.
> 
> Until a motion has been seconded it cannot be amended.  However, the floor
> often draws errors in drafting to the attention of the mover who is usually
> allowed to reword the motion  Your proposed amendment is much more that a
> simple correction.
> 
> It would be fillibustering to spend a week voting on each amendment if it's
> real intention is to say something quite different to the original motion.
> Of course, it would also be fillibustering to force a debate on the
> procedural issues needed prior to the substantive debate.
> 
> To avoid such unnecessary debate on the procedural issues it is easier to
> treat your proposal as a separate motion.  This means there are two
> competing motions on the floor.
> 
> > Note that debate in the GA can only affect GA statements. Thus, the
> > statement should be formulated as a request to the Names Council to
> propose
> > a policy to the ICANN BoD.
> 
> I do not understand the connection between the two sentences.  Why cannot
> the DNSO GA address ICANN directly?
> 
> > In addition, I (like William) think that this statement does not say what
> > the majority of the GA wants it to say. I could be wrong about the
> majority....
> 
> I believe that there are multiple viewpoints on the alternate roots issue.
> These could probably coalesce into two opposing viewpoints.  I doubt that
> either would command a majority.
> 
> My intention was to formulate a consensus motion more-or-less acceptable to
> both groups.  I don't think tht your motion even pretends to do that.  You
> are therefore forcing a division instead of a consensus.  Which suggests to
> me that we will end up with two opposing motions which can then be put to
> the vote.
> 
> > "The DNSO GA recommends that the DNSO NC recommend to the ICANN BoD the
> > following policy statement:
> 
> Even as a two-step process, I'm sure this wording could be improved   In
> fact I don't see your statement as a *policy* statement at all but I will
> discuss that in the substantive debate.
> 
> I'd appreciate separate comments on these procedural issues.
> 
> Regards
> Patrick Corliss
> 
> 
> 
> 
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