Re: [ga-abuse] Re: Please!!!

["Roberto Gaetano" <ploki_xyz@hotmail.com>]

Kristy McKee wrote:

>
>Thank you for the advice, I was relying on the DNSO web site archive.
>

What does this mean?

>---
>
>Okay, Roberto, so I place a complaint against Joe and what happens, 
>nothing.  Joe is Joe and he has not ever really conformed to our rules, why 
>should he if we don't expect it from everyone the same?
>

I just canīt believe it!
So, if somebody is a regular offender, he/she should not be sanctioned 
because he/she "has not ever really conformed to our rules"? If the judges 
applied your sense of justice, serial killers would get away without being 
charged for murders!


>You on the other hand, like me should continue to try to do the right 
>thing.  So if I were going to file a complaint it would be against you.

And for what? For having pasted few lines of text appeared in the GA list 
into a reply to the GA list? That speaks volumes about your attitude towards 
the list monitoring.

  I however, rarely file complaints as a participant of
>the abuse group I don't feel justified; but rather look to our group for 
>their desires and make comments when I may not agree with the warning sent.

And of course you donīt think that your judgement is biased by the person 
who is the subject of the warning.
One basic pillar of justice is that the offence is judged for what it is, 
independently from the offender. You seem to think that people like Joe 
Baptista, Jim Fleming, Jeff Williams (and probably yourself) should be 
allowed to get away with excess posting, out of scope posting, libel and 
slander, while Joe Sims should get expelled at the first offense.
Letīs be clear, I was seriously shocked by Joeīs posting, I agree that in 
his position he should take double care than anybody else in avoiding such 
silly messages, but in the end he is only hurting himself and ICANN, surely 
not Michael by offending him without reason.
Your role is different, methinks, and uncontrolled and biased posting from 
your part can damage the GA. And your calling liar another GA member, even 
independently of whether this is true or not, is firing back upon all of us.

I wonder if we are not falling into a trap by building discussion on this at 
the eve of crucial decisions by ICANN on WLS, but OTOH I cannot accept to be 
treated as liar on a public list without replying, because it will remain on 
public record that I somehow accept the statement.
Anyway, I see thereīs another posting on the GA on the subject, but I will 
think until tomorrow before replying.

The last thing I want to tell you, in a very friendly way, is that I 
*really* replied to your statement only when I saw it a post to the GAlist. 
How do you think I could remember, with the hundreds of emails I receive 
every day, what was the distribution list originally? I see it posted in 
public domain, and I treat it as public information. For this very reason I 
use a separate email account for the GA, because I only refer to the 
discussions there, and not to other various lists.
For instance, I received this one only because ploki_xyz was explicitely 
copied: when I am away from my office, I cannot even read the GAabuse, let 
alone replying to it, because my autofwd sends only the To/Cc messages, not 
the lists, and moreover on a completely different account, whose address is 
not publicly known.

>
>AND yes I was wrong about Fleming and YES I reacted too strongly, that was 
>my mistake and he did a great job of letting me look foolish which you so 
>poignantly pointed out.
>
>
>Are we done yet?
>

For me, no, because IMHO you are wrong also about the copy/paste business, 
and you donīt seem to realize it.
At most we can agree to disagree.

Best regards
Roberto


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