[ga-abuse] RE: Re[4]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

[Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>]

|> From: William X Walsh [mailto:william@userfriendly.com]
|> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:26 AM
|> 
|> Tuesday, Tuesday, August 21, 2001, 8:00:30 AM, Roeland Meyer wrote:
|> 
|> > Joop, when are you going to learn to ignore this stuff?
|> > William, I don't wish to see a re-hash of the IDNO list bullshit.
|> 
|> Learn to use your filters.

I actually removed the filters for you, hoping that you'd calmed down.

|> > I specifically turned down an invite to the new IDNO list 
|> because I was
|> > extremely burnt-out with the antics of the last IDNO list. 
|> William, whatever
|> > respect I ever had for you is long gone, as a direct 
|> result of what you did
|> > there.
|> 
|> Feeling is mutual.  Your actions as a steering committee 
|> member of the
|> IDNO were deplorable.  The way you left everyone else hanging out in
|> the wind to take the heat because you didn't want to take the time to
|> solve the problems.

Taking the time and having the time to take are two different issues.

|> > All Joop did was arrange funding for his ICANN trip.
|> 
|> And he lied to do it, and he used OUR IDNO to do it, falsely.

I consider the IDNO a dead horse. At least, por moi. I have philisophical
reasons to want it to succeed. However, they are not business reasons. There
are inherent tensions between corp entity and human entity. Especially, the
way the IDNO was structured. I wanted IDNO to be successful on ideological
grounds. From a corp view, however, there is no non-commercial use of the
net and Individuals have no inherent need for their own domain name. As you
can see, I see the value for both views. My IDNO involvement was an attempt
to reconcile those views. The WXW vs Joop fight subverted all of that.

|> > MdR was easy driving range for you, why weren't
|> > you there?
|> 
|> Why does it matter?  You yourself have talked about the costs of
|> attending, and the loss of business.  Perhaps you can afford that, I
|> can't, and it wouldn't matter of the meeting was in my home city.
|> 
|> I have to work for a living.

As do I, which is the main reason that I haven't attended a ICANN F2F since
MdR.

|> > Why can't you let well-enough alone? More importantly, why do you
|> > feel the right to subject the rest of us to your 
|> inadequacies and other
|> > bullshit?
|> 
|> Well enough does not exist as long as Joop is continuing to try and
|> use our IDNO as a means of promoting himself and his agenda. 
|> After his abuse of our trust, I will not see him appreciate any benefits
or
|> privileges thereof.
|> 
|> I am not dealing with my inadequacies, but with his.

First off, (and I really don't want to go there) I don't entirely disagree
with all of your statements. I just consider the overall issue too much of a
waste of time, for all of us to go there again. Both sides took hits, IDNO
is dead, IDNH may succeed it, let's drop it and move forward.

|> > Please consider this a GA list complaint. Yes, I know that 
|> you've already
|> > been evicted. 
|> 
|> No, I'm not evicted.  You really don't keep up on these things, do
|> you?
|> 
|> Never was your strong suit.

Bill, I put in the time that I can afford, maybe more than I should. Minor
nuances are just not worth tracking.