Re: [ga-abuse] Monitor disagreement about Kent Crispin case

[k@widgital.com (Kristy McKee)]

Okay, I am now confused.  I am just following the rules WE 
established.  There should be no exceptions for our friends, family, 
etc.  And why then were you comfortable suspending Jim Fleming for drawing 
a conclusion between us and a horrific war that is going on if you are 
comfortable following through with our prior note to Kent?


~k


At 05:30 PM 8/16/2001 +0200, Alexander Svensson wrote:

>Thanks, Kristy! :)
>
> > You are correct:  I mistook the #50 & #51 as being separate cases.  He has
> > received one warning:
> > [...]
> > Please note the sentence:  If this happens again the practiced policy of
> > the GA is to grant a two week suspension of your posting privileges.
> >
> >>It happened again.
> >>
> >>:)
>
>We seem to be now in the situation where we don't
>come to an agreement: I respect your argument that
>there has been a list rule violation after a
>warning and a suspension is warranted, but I don't
>find that a suspension would be proportionate
>if compared to previous suspensions and therefore
>think that a second, stronger warning would be the
>better solution. Since we are only two monitors,
>I cc this to Danny and Patrick with a documentation
>of the case and hope for their comments. (E.g.
>Patrick could act as M3, so that the decision can
>still be appealed to Danny.)
>
>Best regards and thanks,
>/// Alexander
>
>=====================================================
>
>M1: Alexander Svensson
>M2: Kristy McKee
>Against: Kent Crispin, kent@songbird.com
>Complainants:  Joop Teernstra, terastra@terabytz.co.nz
>Complainant Comments: "These childish vendetta's (or are
>they deliberate provocations?) have to be stopped, if the
>GA is ever going to get anywhere."
>Date:  14-Aug-01
>Message:
>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00497.html
> > It's interesting how you take Miltons characteristically inaccurate and
> > insulting statement and run with it.
> >
> > The "powers that be" may or may not like the personalities involved, but
> > the FACT is that the "cyberspace association" (aka as the "IDNO") simply
> > does not credibly represent those that it claims to represent.  That is
> > a completely sufficient grounds for rejecting it.  In fact, it would have
> > been totally irresponsible for the Board to do otherwise.
>
>Grounds: Personal attack
>M1 Recommendation: Warning
>
>M1 Comment:
>There's no question that these personal sideswipes must come
>to a stop. As Kent has been warned before, I think we have the
>choice between a strong warning and a suspension. When I look
>at the personal attacks that have led to suspensions in the past,
>I would choose to send a warning (worded stronger) -- a
>suspension looks disproportionate to me here.
>I would send the following warning:
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Kent,
>
>The list monitors for the General Assembly (GA) of the DNSO
>have issued this warning to you concerning complaints received
>about the following post:
>
>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00497.html
>
>According to the rules for participation in the GA of the DNSO
>   http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html
>the messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
>   - Not indulging in personal attacks, insults or slander
>   - Not using offensive language
>
>In the posting mentioned above you are referring to
>Milton Mueller's statements as "characteristically inaccurate
>and insulting". Sideswipes such as this are unacceptable
>personal attacks.
>
>You have already been warned against such list rule
>violations. As you know, the practiced policy of the GA is
>to grant a two week suspension of your posting privileges
>if this happens again.
>
>Regards,
>[Kristy or Alexander for the list monitors]
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>M2 Recommendation: Suspension Two Weeks
>M2 Comment [paraphrase by Alexander!]: Kent has already
>received a warning for this: it is absolutely time for him to
>be suspended. Please note the sentence "If this happens
>again the practiced policy of the GA is to grant a two week
>suspension of your posting privileges." in the warning.
>It happened again.