Re: {PRIVATE]Fw: [ga-abuse] Fwd: My Proof Stands. QED. GoodNight,William.

[Bruce James <bmj@keyname.net>]

Patrick:

It is my understanding that Danny has a daytime job now, so I am
going to wait 24 hours from this email for his response.

Regards,
Bruce James



----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Corliss" <patrick@corliss.net>
To: "Bruce James" <bmj@bmjames.com>
Cc: "[ga-abuse]" <ga-abuse@dnso.org>
Sent: May 16, 2001 09:04
Subject: Re: {PRIVATE]Fw: [ga-abuse] Fwd: My Proof Stands. QED. Good
Night,William.


Hi Bruce

It is clear to me that there are people on this list whose postings
regularly divert the debate.  This is an unfair form of argument well known
as a "red herring", "laying a false trail" or "diversionary tactic".
Drawing attention to such debating tricks is fair comment.  In fact I
pointed this out 20 or 30 emails ago as you can see ny the number of
postings with my words "Community Roots or Red Herrings" in the subject
line.

Nevertheless I had little reason to accuse Dassa and William of collusion
and, in hindsight should have kept silent on this aspect.  When it was
denied by Dassa I unreservedly withdrew my remarks and apologised onlist.
This was accepted.

I note that William has regularly insulted me.  In fact he attacked me in
virtually every post whilst he was suspended last time.  His recent posts
accuse me of lying and controlling the list monitors, having a hidden
agenda, censoring the debate etc.

In fact being suspended favours the offender as they can write what they
like, as often as they like, and copy who they like using BCCs.  William
knows that which is why he has challenged our authority. I suspect he wants
to be suspended.

Note that William has never apologised or shown the slightest sign of
regret.

In contrast my post was civil and constrained in comparison.  It was more
fair comment that personal abuse.  I regretted the error and made an onlist
apology which was readily accepted by Dassa.  After he accused my of lying,
I wrote:

> Not a lie but a supposition based on appearance.  I fully accept your
denial
> and admit that I was mistaken in suggesting that you and William were
> working in collusion.
>
> I unreservedly withdraw any such implication and apologise to you both for
> making it.

My view is that suspending either William or myself will completely destroy
the integrity of the GA list.  It will also put Danny in an impossible
situation and totally destroy the momentum we are starting to generate on
the sublists.

BTW saying "good night" to William is not a personal attack.  It was after
midnight in his time zone giving him a new day and five more posts to write.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss


----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce James <bmj@bmjames.com>
To: Patrick Corliss <patrick@quad.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:28 PM
Subject: {PRIVATE]Fw: [ga-abuse] Fwd: My Proof Stands. QED. Good
Night,William.


> PC:
>
> Would you like to say anything about you actions?
>
> /Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <harald@Alvestrand.no>
> To: <ga-abuse@dnso.org>
> Sent: May 16, 2001 03:52
> Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Fwd: My Proof Stands. QED. Good Night, William.
>
>
> I would support a motion to suspend William and Patrick over this silly
> spat on the ga-roots list.
>
>
>