[ga-abuse] Jeff Williams - Again

["Patrick Corliss" <patrick@corliss.net>]

Chair, List Monitor Committee

In view of the following message I reiterate my proposal of a public warning
followed by complete withdrawal of posting privileges.

Please also notice that Jeff Williams never makes any attempt to trim his
messages.

Regards
Patrick Corliss


----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: Patrick Corliss <patrick@corliss.net>; DNSO [ga-ext] <ga-ext@dnso.org>
Cc: DNSO Secretariat <DNSO.Secretariat@dnso.org>; DNSO Listadmin
<DNSO.Listadmin@dnso.org>; DNSO Council <council@dnso.org>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 5:39 PM
Subject: Taboo bounce posts - to:Re: BOUNCE ga-roots@dnso.org: taboo header:
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Patrick and all,

  The following was sent from Patrick to me privately. this is the
second occuranc this evening.  Such bounces will in the future
be re-bounced back to the sender and or any E-Mail
addr listed via a filter I just turned on.  Hopefully this will encourage
such arrant behavior from posters to this or others in the future.

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> >From ga-roots-listadmin@dnso.dnso.org  Sun May  6 23:49:07 2001
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> Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:59:21 -0700
> From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> Organization: INEGroup Spokesman
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> To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
> CC: ga-roots@dnso.org
> Subject: Re: Apology (Re: [ga-roots] Re: Criminalization of alt roots)
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> <3AF08901.32473.59EA2E2@localhost>
> <20010502222128.A29836@songbird.com>
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> Harald and all,
>
> Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>
> > At 14:25 04.05.2001 -0700, Simon Higgs wrote:
> > >At 01:29 PM 5/4/01 +0200, you wrote:
> > >>At 13:07 03.05.2001 -0700, Simon Higgs wrote:
> > >>>The very first alt.root was used as the test bed for Draft Postel.
You
> > >>>can't kill off something that has a right to be there - and numerous
> > >>>TLDs still around have Jon Postel/IANA's permission to be in an
> > >>>alt.root. IANA even provided wording for registries in an alt.root to
> > >>>use as a waiver of legal liability.
> > >>
> > >>just in case anyone does not remember:
> > >>
> > >>Simon Higgs has argued this point of view before an US court and lost.
> > >
> > >Huh? Just in case anyone does not remember the court case, *THERE WAS
NO
> > >COURT CASE*. I have never had the opportunity to testify. Show me my
> > >testimony! Show me the court case!
> > >
> > >Damn it, Harald. I *NEVER* thought you would stoop as low as Crocker
and
> > >Crispin. But you just did.
> > >
> > >An apology is in order.
> >
> > Apologies, I was in error.
> >
> > I thought that you had worked together with IODesign and Chris Ambler in
> > the case brought by IODesign about .web where injunctive relief was
> denied,
> > but it appears that this is not the case.
> >
> > My comment should have read "The viewpoint that .web has a right to be
in
> > the root has been argued before an US court and dismissed".
>
>   Exactly right here Harald.  dotWEB doesn't have the RIGHT to be in the
> USG root, but it can be argued that the USG ROOT has a responsibility
> to include it.  Terms and conditions not withstanding of course...
>
> >
> >
> > My comment is based on
http://www.brandenburg.com/misc/iodesign-judge.html
>
>   Not really germane here.  This was a decision regarding a Temporary
> Injunction.
>
> >
> >
> > On rereading Simon Higgs' statement again, I see that he did not even
make
> > that statement this time; he was talking about the right to be in an
> > "alt.root", something I have not seen a possible legal basis, or even a
> > reason, for denying.
>
>   I think you mean "Competitive Root structure".  (CRS)
>
> >
> >
> > However, I do not accept the premise that because it is legal to build
an
> > alt.root, being in an alt.root gives any right to be in the ICANN DNS
> root.
>
>   There is no case law that I am aware of that says that CRS (Competitive
> Root Structures) are not legal.  However they do exist and are growing
> rapidly now.  There is also no such thing as "ICANN DNS root" as the
> current "Legacy Root" is not owned by ICANN, but by the USG and the
> root server operators contracted to the USG for those root servers.
> Therefore, the proper denotation is USG Root and those root servers
> are owned by the stakeholders as put forth in the white paper.  Even
> if ICANN should have the USG Root turned over to them, which has
> not yet occurred, the stakeholders are still the actual owners, not
> ICANN itself.  Ergo, the stakeholders determine what TLD's will
> be entered into that Root structure.
>
>   Secondly, no one to my knowledge is saying that any existing TLD
> has a superior right to be entered into the current USG Root structure
> per se, but that the stakeholders can mandate any TLD to be entered.
>
>   Therefore the characterization in your comments here Harald are
> a bit off focus as well as simply a personal characterization not a
factual
> determination.   This should be made completely clear.  I hope that
> my response has at least somewhat cleared these inconsistencies and
> characterizations up a bit.
>
> >
> >
> >                  Harald
> >
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> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 118k members strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number:  972-447-1800 x1894 or 214-244-4827
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 118k members strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number:  972-447-1800 x1894 or 214-244-4827
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208